NHL (2020-2021) v. Draft, sign, & trade.

[Luoto]

I've said it many times before, players these days expect the refs and rules to protect them, rather than protecting themselves. Evans should've been aware that someone was bearing down on him.

Ice hockey is a sport, not a jungle. You must be allowed to score on an empty net without fear of someone totaling you out of frustration. If you can't trust the rules or officials the game has a serious problem.

And me saying it was "clean", I mean Scheifele didn't hit Evans' head first, leap at him, lead with the stick or elbow, or anything like that. It for sure was a massive charge, but that's all I can say about it.

It doesn't matter how "clean" a check is if it's performed in a violent manner, which is simply not permitted by the official NHL rules (charging). The fact Evans suffered a head injury (concussion) also mandated a game misconduct per the charging rule.

I mean, the guy is about to score. Sure he came a long way, and perhaps the distance dictates it that it's a penalty, but what else was he supposed to do as the guy is about to stuff the puck in the net.

He could've easily poke-checked the wraparound but clearly wasn't even thinking about it, even though it was too late for anything else. Just a very stupid play by a frustrated player.

[pg1067]

I actually am not in any way enraged at the Scheifele hit. I mean, the guy is about to score. Sure he came a long way, and perhaps the distance dictates it that it's a penalty, but what else was he supposed to do as the guy is about to stuff the puck in the net.

I kinda feel the same way, but....  It was an obvious charging penalty, so that's were things start.  Did Scheifele intend to make head contact?  Probably not, but he did.  He also pretty clearly had no intent to play the puck or try and stop the goal.  His sole intent was to deliver a hit, and he left his feet in doing so.  All that being the case, assuming he has no history, my guess is that he'll get a game or two.

[King Postwhore]

That is the key pg. If he swatted for the puck and still delivered that hit I think it's looked at differently.  He made no attempt at the puck.

[TAC]

I actually am not in any way enraged at the Scheifele hit. I mean, the guy is about to score. Sure he came a long way, and perhaps the distance dictates it that it's a penalty, but what else was he supposed to do as the guy is about to stuff the puck in the net.

I kinda feel the same way, but....  It was an obvious charging penalty, so that's were things start.  Did Scheifele intend to make head contact?  Probably not, but he did.  He also pretty clearly had no intent to play the puck or try and stop the goal.  His sole intent was to deliver a hit, and he left his feet in doing so.  All that being the case, assuming he has no history, my guess is that he'll get a game or two.

I feel like if he plays the puck, he's going to get a mouthful of goal post. His only option was to take the body.
I get it, it was definitely a charge, but if I can play semantics, I view it as a nasty hit, but not a dirty hit.

[jingle.boy]

Wow, that was a bullshit call.



I actually am not in any way enraged at the Scheifele hit. I mean, the guy is about to score. Sure he came a long way, and perhaps the distance dictates it that it's a penalty, but what else was he supposed to do as the guy is about to stuff the puck in the net.

Right!?!?  And Scheifele HAS to be skating at full speed the whole time if he wants to have a chance at stopping the EN.  *AND* theres still about a minute left, there's not an insignificant chance that an EN goal is the difference maker in a victory, or OT.  If he's there even 1/2 a second earlier, the puck isn't in the net, and the Jets still have a chance to tie - even if he gets a penalty for the hit.

[pg1067]

I feel like if he plays the puck, he's going to get a mouthful of goal post. His only option was to take the body.
I get it, it was definitely a charge, but if I can play semantics, I view it as a nasty hit, but not a dirty hit.

I don't view it as dirty either, but it certainly was intended to be a hard hit for the sake of hitting him.  If you watch on slow-mo (as the DPS will do), he doesn't have his stick extended, as you'd expect since a stick check would be the best way to stop the goal.  Then, when he hits the blue paint, he turns his upper body, which pulls his stick further away from the puck, and lowers his shoulder to deliver the hit.  So he can't plausibly argue that it was just an unfortunate result of a genuine effort to stop the goal.  Having chosen to deliver a hit, the onus was on him to avoid contact with the head, and he failed miserably.  Dirty?  No.  Cheap?  A little.  Suspension worthy?  Yeah, absolutely, and I'm a little surprised we haven't heard the result yet.

By the way, props to Nikolaj Ehlers.

[jingle.boy]

4 Games for Scheifele.  Pretty stern as playoff games*, and a guy with no history - especially when Reaves gets two for his BS last week.

DPS confounds me.  I still don't think it was suspension worthy, but even based on the DPS' own explanation, 4 playoff games is pretty harsh.

* Brian Burke would always say that when he ran DPS, playoff games were weighted at least 1:2 or 1:3.  So, this would be an 8-12 game suspension in the regular season??

[TAC]

4 games is ridiculous. You know what..give him a game, whatever. but FOUR?? That's a fucking gift for the Habs.

Let me guess, the Montreal police opened up an investigation.. (Chara reference) 

[King Postwhore]

Isles hitting a ton in the second period. 

[TAC]

This game is ridiculous. Every game so far. No one on either team can touch the puck and not get hit.

B's need to stop taking dumbass penalties.

[KevShmev]

Weak call against Vegas to get the AVs that PP to win the game. That ref should be ashamed of himself.

I didn't see it, but I saw the highlight of the OT goal this morning, saw that it was a PP, and I have to admit that my first thought was, "of course they gave the Avs a PP early in the OT."  This reminds me of the Red Wings of 20 years ago where it seems like the refs are so enchanted by their talent that it's like they could assume any good defense against them must be a penalty.  There is no other explanation for it.

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUK5Ao0JhYo


Weak.....Weak....call AND play by the AVs player. One hand on his stick and it just gets knocked out of his hand on a play that happens probably on every face off. There's no way this should have been called a 'slash' in a 2-2 tied OT Playoff game.

Pretty weak, yeah.  Ugh.

[KevShmev]

4 games is ridiculous. You know what..give him a game, whatever. but FOUR?? That's a fucking gift for the Habs.

Let me guess, the Montreal police opened up an investigation.. (Chara reference) 

Agreed.  It should have been a lot more.

[jingle.boy]

4 games is ridiculous. You know what..give him a game, whatever. but FOUR?? That's a fucking gift for the Habs.

Let me guess, the Montreal police opened up an investigation.. (Chara reference) 

Agreed.  It should have been a lot more.

Genuine question to ya Kev .... why do you think it was worth more (assuming you're being serious)?

[King Postwhore]

2 games would have been fine.

[TAC]

[King Postwhore]

*Wipes Brow*

[KevShmev]

I will give him his due: Marchand is an annoying pissant, but he does score some big goals.

[TAC]

I will give him his due: Marchand is an annoying pissant, but he does score some big goals.

Kev, Marchand is literally one of the best players in the league. Pull up any measurable over the last 5 or so years and he's right there.

[KevShmev]

That is why I gave him (some of) his due.

[King Postwhore]

For the most part, he's gotten away from the "agitator" to s team leader.

He's been consistent and growing every year.

[KevShmev]

If I may throw in a slight jab...

All that might be true, but I will still enjoy the fact that his mental blunder allowed the Blues to score what turned out to the GWG in Game 7 of the finals in 2019.  That will never not make me smile. 

[King Postwhore]

Funny.  I must have blocked it out. I don't remember it. Thankfully. 

I still can't blame him. His effort is always 100%.

[KevShmev]

I was telling someone at work today that I think the finals will be Colorado vs either Boston or Tampa Bay.   I am standing by that.

[King Postwhore]

Tampa is a huge hurdle.

[XeRocks81]

I’m honestly not sure there will still be professionnal sports like hockey or football in a 100 years or even just 50 years.  The consequences of concussions and head injuries are becoming better understood and there’s already been controversy over suppressing some of that information coming out.   At some point people just won’t want to get into that field, or more accurately since you have to start young maybe their parents won’t let them. 

[SchecterShredder]

I’m honestly not sure there will still be professionnal sports like hockey or football in a 100 years or even just 50 years.  The consequences of concussions and head injuries are becoming better understood and there’s already been controversy over suppressing some of that information coming out.   At some point people just won’t want to get into that field, or more accurately since you have to start young maybe their parents won’t let them.

It's possible for some sports. I know we won't let our kids play football. Just not worth the risk. Up here in Canada, though, you'd be hard pressed to convince parents not to put their kids in hockey. Some of the leagues are at least making an effort. Quebec minor hockey pushed back the age at which contact and hitting is allowed to something like 15 years old, whereas I believe hitting is introduced at 11 in other provinces (I could be wrong about that age though...my kids aren't even old enough for initiation hockey).

[XeRocks81]

I’m honestly not sure there will still be professionnal sports like hockey or football in a 100 years or even just 50 years.  The consequences of concussions and head injuries are becoming better understood and there’s already been controversy over suppressing some of that information coming out.   At some point people just won’t want to get into that field, or more accurately since you have to start young maybe their parents won’t let them.

It's possible for some sports. I know we won't let our kids play football. Just not worth the risk. Up here in Canada, though, you'd be hard pressed to convince parents not to put their kids in hockey. Some of the leagues are at least making an effort. Quebec minor hockey pushed back the age at which contact and hitting is allowed to something like 15 years old, whereas I believe hitting is introduced at 11 in other provinces (I could be wrong about that age though...my kids aren't even old enough for initiation hockey).

I live in Quebec so I agree it’s hard to imagine parents not signing up their kids for hockey.  But I don’t know, images like that hit that just happened are hard to watch.

[King Postwhore]

Quebec was robbed decades ago of their team.  The deserve a team again.  Passionate fanbase.

[XeRocks81]

Quebec was robbed decades ago of their team.  The deserve a team again.  Passionate fanbase.

word.  Though I don’t live in Quebec City, more like 250 miles east of it, when I was a kid we would go to games there as often as we could. 

[King Postwhore]

I'm from N.H.  I remember the Stastny brothers very well.  And Ron Tugnut having a 73 save performance against the B's.

[KevShmev]

Because of how I pronounced it when I was like 7, my dad and I still refer to them as the Quebec "Nor-da-cues." 

[SchecterShredder]

Quebec was robbed decades ago of their team.  The deserve a team again.  Passionate fanbase.

word.  Though I don’t live in Quebec City, more like 250 miles east of it, when I was a kid we would go to games there as often as we could.

Isn't that the middle of New Brunswick lol?

[XeRocks81]

Quebec was robbed decades ago of their team.  The deserve a team again.  Passionate fanbase.

word.  Though I don’t live in Quebec City, more like 250 miles east of it, when I was a kid we would go to games there as often as we could.

Isn't that the middle of New Brunswick lol?

lol, sorry I don’t really think of it that way ,  along the south shore of the st-lawrence so I guess it’s technically north east of Quebec city.

[TAC]

I’m honestly not sure there will still be professionnal sports like hockey or football in a 100 years or even just 50 years.  The consequences of concussions and head injuries are becoming better understood and there’s already been controversy over suppressing some of that information coming out.   At some point people just won’t want to get into that field, or more accurately since you have to start young maybe their parents won’t let them.

It's possible for some sports. I know we won't let our kids play football. Just not worth the risk. Up here in Canada, though, you'd be hard pressed to convince parents not to put their kids in hockey. Some of the leagues are at least making an effort. Quebec minor hockey pushed back the age at which contact and hitting is allowed to something like 15 years old, whereas I believe hitting is introduced at 11 in other provinces (I could be wrong about that age though...my kids aren't even old enough for initiation hockey).

I live in Quebec so I agree it’s hard to imagine parents not signing up their kids for hockey.  But I don’t know, images like that hit that just happened are hard to watch.

Watching a guy get leveled in a hockey game wouldn't scare me from having my kids play hockey. It's what happened to Travis Roy that would.

[TAC]

I actually saw the Quebec Nord-a-cues with Sakic play the Bruins.

And Ron Tugnut having a 73 save performance against the B's.

That was amazing. I remember watching that game on TV. They still replay it every now and then.