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Choose your top 10 Portnoy-era songs

A Fortune in Lies
1 (0.1%)
Status Seeker
0 (0%)
The Ytse Jam
1 (0.1%)
The Killing Hand
6 (0.7%)
Light Fuse and Get Away
2 (0.2%)
Afterlife
0 (0%)
The Ones Who Help To Set the Sun
1 (0.1%)
Only a Matter of Time
4 (0.5%)
Pull Me Under
10 (1.2%)
Another Day
4 (0.5%)
Take the Time
18 (2.1%)
Surrounded
16 (1.9%)
Metropolis--Pt. I
47 (5.5%)
Under a Glass Moon
9 (1.1%)
Wait for Sleep
5 (0.6%)
Learning To Live
59 (6.9%)
6:00
12 (1.4%)
Caught in a Web
6 (0.7%)
Innocence Faded
3 (0.4%)
Erotomania
3 (0.4%)
Voices
28 (3.3%)
The Silent Man
1 (0.1%)
The Mirror
7 (0.8%)
Lie
3 (0.4%)
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
6 (0.7%)
Scarred
34 (4%)
Space Dye Vest
12 (1.4%)
A Change of Seasons
62 (7.3%)
New Millenium
2 (0.2%)
You Not Me
0 (0%)
Peruvian Skies
4 (0.5%)
Hollow Years
4 (0.5%)
Burning My Soul
0 (0%)
Hell's Kitchen
6 (0.7%)
Lines in the Sand
27 (3.2%)
Take Away My Pain
0 (0%)
Just Let Me Breathe
0 (0%)
Anna Lee
3 (0.4%)
Trial of Tears
36 (4.2%)
Regression
0 (0%)
Overture 1928
7 (0.8%)
Strange Deja Vu
10 (1.2%)
Through My Words
1 (0.1%)
Fatal Tragedy
13 (1.5%)
Beyond This Life
6 (0.7%)
Through Her Eyes
1 (0.1%)
Home
27 (3.2%)
The Dance of Eternity
11 (1.3%)
One Last Time
2 (0.2%)
The Spirit Carries On
18 (2.1%)
Finally Free
19 (2.2%)
The Glass Prison
23 (2.7%)
Blind Faith
17 (2%)
Misunderstood
14 (1.6%)
The Great Debate
8 (0.9%)
Disappear
10 (1.2%)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
39 (4.6%)
As I Am
7 (0.8%)
This Dying Soul
2 (0.2%)
Endless Sacrifice
6 (0.7%)
Honor Thy Father
5 (0.6%)
Vacant
1 (0.1%)
Stream of Consciousness
11 (1.3%)
In the Name of God
24 (2.8%)
The Root of All Evil
4 (0.5%)
The Answer Lies Within
0 (0%)
These Walls
5 (0.6%)
I Walk Beside You
2 (0.2%)
Panic Attack
2 (0.2%)
Never Enough
0 (0%)
Sacrificed Sons
4 (0.5%)
Octavarium
46 (5.4%)
In the Presence of Enemies
18 (2.1%)
Forsaken
1 (0.1%)
Constant Motion
2 (0.2%)
The Dark Eternal Night
1 (0.1%)
Repentence
1 (0.1%)
Prophets of War
1 (0.1%)
The Ministry of Lost Souls
3 (0.4%)
A Nightmare To Remember
3 (0.4%)
A Rite of Passage
1 (0.1%)
Wither
1 (0.1%)
The Shattered Fortress
1 (0.1%)
The Best of Times
2 (0.2%)
The Count of Tuscany
29 (3.4%)

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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #35 on: October 13, 2020, 03:59:51 PM »
Light Fuse and Get Away

Even though this song wouldn't make my top 10, and probably not top 20, I am glad to see it.  Nice pick!  :tup
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« Reply #36 on: October 13, 2020, 08:18:43 PM »
Two things I would not have expected: Scarred and Count of Tuscany are doing well. No other major surprises.
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2020, 08:58:15 AM »


Have to think carefully about this one before I answer. But aren't you missing a few songs? While I doubt they'd get many votes, shouldn't To Live Forever, Don't Look Past Me, Raw Dog and the FII outtakes be included, too? Maybe even the Majesty demos?



I would have voted for "The Way it Used to Be" and maybe 1-2 of the others if included.

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« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2020, 09:40:44 AM »
Two things I would not have expected: Scarred and Count of Tuscany are doing well. No other major surprises.

Why does Scarred surprise you?  It was a top performer in the DT "league" that was done within the last year.
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2020, 11:45:07 AM »
Light Fuse and Get Away
Even though this song wouldn't make my top 10, and probably not top 20, I am glad to see it.  Nice pick!  :tup
Thanks! I figure that I'll be the only one to pick that track, but I am glad to see that some of the other songs from WDaDU are getting a few votes.  :)
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2020, 12:21:35 PM »
I understand the place it holds in your history with the band, and that's cool.  For me, even though the WDADU songs don't crack my tops, I have grown to really like about 2/3 of the album (even if it did take me awhile, and took more modern versions with JLB singing).  In particular, TKH, LFAGA, and OAMOT stand up well to the rest of their catalog.  Really, the only songs on that album I don't care for at all are Afterlife and TOWHTSTS, and I find TYJ to be the least interesting of their instrumentals (ignoring the abomination known as Hell's Kitchen for purposes of this discussion). 
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2020, 12:51:07 PM »
In chronological order:

Only A Matter of Time
Metropolis pt. 1
Under A Glass Moon
Learning To Live
Scarred
Space Dye-Vest
A Change of Seasons
Strange Deja-Vu
Finally Free
Octavarium

This list is my favorite of the two. Classic stuff simply put.

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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2020, 02:19:40 PM »
I understand the place it holds in your history with the band, and that's cool.  For me, even though the WDADU songs don't crack my tops, I have grown to really like about 2/3 of the album (even if it did take me awhile, and took more modern versions with JLB singing).  In particular, TKH, LFAGA, and OAMOT stand up well to the rest of their catalog.  Really, the only songs on that album I don't care for at all are Afterlife and TOWHTSTS, and I find TYJ to be the least interesting of their instrumentals (ignoring the abomination known as Hell's Kitchen for purposes of this discussion).

Hell's Kitchen an "abomination"?  I quite like it, and it obviously has a far different vibe than any other of their instrumentals.

My first exposure to WDADU was the first DT show I saw in November 1992.  They played TYJ, OAMOT and TKH (with the "Another Hand" intro), and AFIL and SS were swapped in on the second and third legs of the I&W tour.  I think I finally tracked down WDADU around the same time I got Live at the Marquee (shortly after its September 1993 release).  I probably also wouldn't have any of the WDADU songs in a top 25, but I like them all to varying degrees (with TOWHTSTS being on the bottom).  It's a solid album and, even with Charlie singing, I likely would have been a fan if I had heard it before PMU.
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2020, 03:10:01 PM »
Hell's Kitchen is not an abomination, but it's just a random instrumental section lifted off from a song where it didn't belong... and whose best part, the ending, was written just to have a nice segue into Lines in the Sand.

I don't regret it having heard it live in the Images and Words and Beyond tour but it's nothing to write home about.
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2020, 03:21:46 PM »
Hell's Kitchen is not an abomination, but it's just a random instrumental section lifted off from a song where it didn't belong... and whose best part, the ending, was written just to have a nice segue into Lines in the Sand.

I don't regret it having heard it live in the Images and Words and Beyond tour but it's nothing to write home about.
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2020, 08:49:00 PM »
I remember hearing the ending of Hell's Kitchen at the end of the Instrumedley on the Budokan DVD, and thought "That is amazing, what the heck song is that?" I had so rarely listened to FII at that point I completely forgot all about Hell's Kitchen.
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« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2020, 10:31:42 PM »
I accidentally left out Take Away My Pain from my vote. In chronological order, I voted:

1. Another Day
2. Learning to Live
3. 6:00
4. Lifting Shadows off a Dream
5. Scarred
6. Hollow Years
7. Hell’s Kitchen
8. Lines in the Sand
9. Trial of Tears
10. Blind Faith (I’d probably bump this for Take Away My Pain)

The only Mangini era songs I’ve heard enough to say that I like them are The Looking Glass, The Gift of Music, and Our New World. None would rank in my top 10 over all though.
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2020, 10:51:06 PM »
Hell's Kitchen is not an abomination

You're right.  But I couldn't think of a strong enough word to describe how bad it is when I wrote that, so I just chose the best word that came to mind.
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« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2020, 10:55:37 PM »
I’m amazed to find there are people who dislike Hell’s Kitchen. What a beautiful, majestic instrumental.

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« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2020, 11:07:37 PM »
Hell’s Kitchen is beautiful and harmless... what about it do you dislike?

I’m surprised at the lack of love for Fatal Tragedy... a candidate for my favorite DT song. 


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« Reply #50 on: October 15, 2020, 04:46:54 AM »
@ the 2-4 other people who have voted for Wait For Sleep and Lie: where are you? we could be good friends  :angel:

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« Reply #51 on: October 15, 2020, 04:53:28 AM »
I’m surprised at the lack of love for Fatal Tragedy... a candidate for my favorite DT song.

9 votes on such a vast poll with so many great songs as an option doesn't qualify to me as a "lack of love", the competition is tough and still near 10 people found that there aren't, in that long and awesome list, 11 songs better than Fatal Tragedy, it's an average-to-good result for the song I'd say.
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« Reply #52 on: October 15, 2020, 07:04:04 AM »
@ the 2-4 other people who have voted for Wait For Sleep and Lie: where are you? we could be good friends  :angel:

I’ve always loved Wait for Sleep. Lie is cool too.

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« Reply #53 on: October 15, 2020, 08:47:46 AM »
@ the 2-4 other people who have voted for Wait For Sleep and Lie: where are you? we could be good friends  :angel:

Wasn't me, but I have to say that it was CLOSE, and it kinda hurt not including those songs in my list.
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #54 on: October 15, 2020, 09:30:25 AM »
I remember hearing the ending of Hell's Kitchen at the end of the Instrumedley on the Budokan DVD, and thought "That is amazing, what the heck song is that?" I had so rarely listened to FII at that point I completely forgot all about Hell's Kitchen.

I first heard Hell's Kitchen on Budakon, then heard the while song when I borrowed my friends FII CD and ripped it. It was a good listen but when it came to the ending, I was disappointed there were no Tubular Bells. I was even more disappointed JR didn't keep them for the I&W&B tour. Those Tubular Bells make the ending more majestic.
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #55 on: October 15, 2020, 09:51:14 AM »
I’m surprised at the lack of love for Fatal Tragedy... a candidate for my favorite DT song.

I voted for it, but I didn't really expect it to be among the top songs here.  It's not a "lack of love" as much as it is an abundance of great songs.


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I’ve always loved Wait for Sleep. Lie is cool too.

Wait for Sleep is great, but top 10 among MP era songs?

And Lie barely cracks the top 10 songs on Awake.
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« Reply #56 on: October 15, 2020, 10:06:02 AM »
I've almost voted Wait for Sleep, but went with The Ministry of Lost Souls instead.

Lie I don't really care for though.
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« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2020, 10:19:45 AM »
Yeah I just figured more people would choose Fatal Tragedy as a Top 10 song.   Lack of Love was maybe the wrong term choice.


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« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2020, 11:44:31 AM »
I think Hell's Kitchen is one of Dream Theater's best instrumentals.  Such a well-crafted piece with soaring melodies that linger in my head for days after listening to the album.  In fact, in my opinion the three final tracks of that album should have been Hell's Kitchen >> Lines in the Sand >> Trial of Tears.   Other than New Millennium and Peruvian Skies those are the only tracks I care for on that album.

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« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2020, 03:33:51 PM »
And Lie barely cracks the top 10 songs on Awake.
It's only the lead single of the album!

But I can survive Lie trash talk, it's slightly less heretical than bosk talking trash about Hell's Kitchen, one of my favorite instrumentals of all time.

There's just something I noticed in the fandom, where everyone is really specific about what they appreciate DT for, and everything else is "eh". It's like we go to them to fulfill very specific needs, and short simple songs aren't high on the list of needs of people who are really into DT. But I really like them and I think they have some great ones, Lie and WFS included.
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« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2020, 04:39:03 PM »
And Lie barely cracks the top 10 songs on Awake.
It's only the lead single of the album!

But I can survive Lie trash talk, it's slightly less heretical than bosk talking trash about Hell's Kitchen, one of my favorite instrumentals of all time.

There's just something I noticed in the fandom, where everyone is really specific about what they appreciate DT for, and everything else is "eh". It's like we go to them to fulfill very specific needs, and short simple songs aren't high on the list of needs of people who are really into DT. But I really like them and I think they have some great ones, Lie and WFS included.

Being the "lead single" doesn't make a song good.  However, I seem to like Lie better than a lot of folks here.  However, it's a good song on an album full of great songs.  I think I put it ahead of Innocence Faced and The Mirror but behind everything else.

I think your second paragraph here is full of truth.  Some songs are universally well-regarded, but just about everything else has folks who love it all the way to folks who don't like it.  For example, I think Repentance is DT's single worst song, but I think it got at least one vote in this poll.  I think one of DT's biggest strengths is whether it's songs like ACOS and 8VM or stuff like Surrounded and Hollow Years, they have, at one point or another, done just about every style of song really well.
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« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2020, 05:22:33 PM »
I tend to be all over the place and really like the vast majority of what they do.  I like the really long mega-epics and well as the short songs.  I like the heavy as well as the proggy as well as the ballady stuff.  For my tops on I&W, I probably go in this order:
1.  Metropolis
2.  Learning To Live
3.  Wait for Sleep

I don't even hate HK.  I do find it to be a bit pedestrian compared to their other instrumentals, and it is probably my least favorite (or bottom 2) of album instrumentals (don't get me started on Eve--I actually DO hate that one).  But it's not bad at all.  I just kind of get a kick out of seeing people's heads explode when I don't fawn over it like a lot of people do.
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« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2020, 06:05:19 PM »
1.   Under a Glass Moon
2.   Innocence Faded
3.   New Millennium
4.   Hell's Kitchen
5.   Strange Déjà vu
6.   Fatal Tragedy
7.   Home
8.   The Glass Prison
9.   Blind Faith
10.   The Count of Tuscany

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« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2020, 09:06:46 PM »
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Greetings!

I voted for Wait For Sleep. It's just such a beautiful and intricate composition that both stands strong on its own and works well as a segue into Learning to Live.

My top 10 in chronological order were:

Metropolis Pt. 1
Wait For Sleep
Learning to Live
Voices
Scarred
A Change of Seasons
Home
Finally Free
Blind Faith
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« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2020, 10:06:43 PM »
I don't even hate HK.  I do find it to be a bit pedestrian compared to their other instrumentals, and it is probably my least favorite (or bottom 2) of album instrumentals (don't get me started on Eve--I actually DO hate that one).  But it's not bad at all.  I just kind of get a kick out of seeing people's heads explode when I don't fawn over it like a lot of people do.
How do HK and Eve rate in comparison to Raw Dog for you?
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2020, 09:07:32 AM »
Chronologically...

Take the Time
Surrounded
Wait for Sleep
Learning to Live
Voices
Space Dye Vest
A Change of Seasons
Lines in the Sand
Trial of Tears
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence


The Mangini era can't really compete with these songs, though they've written some good, solid material with him in the band.

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« Reply #66 on: October 17, 2020, 03:29:11 PM »
I don't even hate HK.  I do find it to be a bit pedestrian compared to their other instrumentals, and it is probably my least favorite (or bottom 2) of album instrumentals (don't get me started on Eve--I actually DO hate that one).  But it's not bad at all.  I just kind of get a kick out of seeing people's heads explode when I don't fawn over it like a lot of people do.
How do HK and Eve rate in comparison to Raw Dog for you?

Hard to say.  When Raw Dog came out, I listened to it a couple of times, and it didn't really click.  I remember liking some of it, and some not really clicking.  I didn't dislike it, but it didn't grab me.  But I don't really have a clear recollection of it.  I would definitely rank it above Eve.  But not sure where I would put it in relation to HK.
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Re: Top 10 Portnoy-era songs, and a bonus question
« Reply #67 on: October 17, 2020, 04:41:34 PM »
Raw Dog is awesome, and not deserving of the shit it gets.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #68 on: October 17, 2020, 08:13:48 PM »
I would probably listen to Raw Dog more if it had the ending it was supposed to have.
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« Reply #69 on: October 17, 2020, 08:52:42 PM »
I have probably not listened to Raw Dog more than twice. Will remedy that now.

Boy, does everyone get a rather... unique... top result when searching for "Raw Dog" on YT?
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