Video Game Thread v. Series Xbox One X Series Switch S 5

[cramx3]

Funny, after all this talk last night about not really having game crashes... and I get one. 

[TheOutlawXanadu]

If CDPR sticks to their guns, this game could end up being a redemption arc similar to No Man's Sky. I have no reason to doubt that CDPR will pull it off.

Having said that, I think the game is awesome and have only encountered 1 bug and 0 crashes in the 20+ hours I've played so far, plus it runs perfectly fine on my PC. Outside of the obvious issues with the last gen console versions, I think a lot of the flak this game is getting is waaaay over exaggerated.

I'm playing on the Xbox One X, and have only encountered two crashes after 30 hours. I've also encountered a few quest-breaking bugs that were fixed with a reload, some momentary freezing, along with quite a few hilarious bugs. In other words, my experience with the game has not been perfect but it has been much smoother than some of the anecdotes I'm reading online. I don't doubt that there are major problems - there clearly are - but I also think that people are milking the entertainment factor that comes with this kind of controversy, sometimes not in the most honest way.

[Skeever]

I am enjoying the game (also on Xbox One X), but I think the bugs have just become the easy thing to point toward instead of articulating some larger disappointments. Such as, the pre-GTA San Andreas AI, the lack of really meaningful RPG elements and well-written side quests, and the train-set style open world. All of this leads to a far less immersive experience than people were probably hoping for, even if it's still an unprecedented game.   

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

I am enjoying the game (also on Xbox One X), but I think the bugs have just become the easy thing to point toward instead of articulating some larger disappointments. Such as, the pre-GTA San Andreas AI, the lack of really meaningful RPG elements and well-written side quests, and the train-set style open world. All of this leads to a far less immersive experience than people were probably hoping for, even if it's still an unprecedented game.

I agree, I can handle minor bugs and less graphics but that's definitely one thing that's noticable and a bit disappointing imo. It's in no way a gamebreaking thing but something like that can really help with the immersion which is important in a game like this. I mean compared to the AI in GTA V it's night and day.

I will say once again though, despite having a pre RTX card it runs really well for me and also looks great. I hade a few sudden crashes to desktop yesterday after the 1.05 patch but apparently as soon as I installed the 460.89 driver they disappeared.

[cramx3]

NPCs overall are the most buggy part of the game.  So them not being so immersive, almost seems like part of the struggle with creating them.  However, I've gone to a lot of parts on the map where there are a HUGE amount of NPCs wondering around in close proximity, which is something I've not experienced in any GTA game.  There's a few times it almost felt like legit walking in Times Square.  I've had a couple more unique encounters too, but there's not much dialogue or ways to interact generally.  As I've done more side quests, I've also felt there are some good ones in there with some story.  Johnny appears in quite a bit of them for example.

I'm really enjoying the game quite a bit, maybe the most fun I've had playing in a long time.  I do still struggle with the difficulty at times and get so mad, but usually I figure it out and pull through.  Just love seeing the progress of my character go from a weakling to a super powerful cyborg.  I'm over 30 hours in and level 24.  I'm off from work today and might play for 10 hours 

[Stadler]

NPCs overall are the most buggy part of the game.  So them not being so immersive, almost seems like part of the struggle with creating them.  However, I've gone to a lot of parts on the map where there are a HUGE amount of NPCs wondering around in close proximity, which is something I've not experienced in any GTA game.  There's a few times it almost felt like legit walking in Times Square.  I've had a couple more unique encounters too, but there's not much dialogue or ways to interact generally.  As I've done more side quests, I've also felt there are some good ones in there with some story.  Johnny appears in quite a bit of them for example.

I'm really enjoying the game quite a bit, maybe the most fun I've had playing in a long time.  I do still struggle with the difficulty at times and get so mad, but usually I figure it out and pull through.  Just love seeing the progress of my character go from a weakling to a super powerful cyborg.  I'm over 30 hours in and level 24.  I'm off from work today and might play for 10 hours 

Dammit, I love that.  Last time that happened was probably BioShock II (it might have been Infinite).  I was in Erie without my family, I had an apartment, and I took a day off and literally sat on my couch, ate pizza and played PS3. It was like a caricature of an advertisement. I had the stereo blasting Genesis in surround sound (I had just gotten the box sets).  That was an almost perfect day.

[cramx3]

I usually can't game for more than 2 hours at a time before I need a break and even then, that's on extreme occasions like late night playing with friends or days off like today... but I'm kind of obsessed with this game and find I can play for much longer than 2 hours and not even realize it.

[ReaperKK]

I usually can't game for more than 2 hours at a time before I need a break and even then, that's on extreme occasions like late night playing with friends or days off like today... but I'm kind of obsessed with this game and find I can play for much longer than 2 hours and not even realize it.

I feel like I am right there with you Cram. I rarely game for intervals longer than an hour but my cyberpunk playthrough has been done in long stretches.

[Phoenix87x]

Same here. Its blows my mind how back in the day as a kid I would go for like 8+ hours with stuff like Final Fantasy 8, Morrowind and knights of the old republic.

Now a days, I can barely play for 2 hours 

[ErHaO]

That is great to hear. For me it is quite easy to sink hours into a game I enjoy, but that most often happens only singleplayer experiences with a focus on story.

I have been playing Yakuza Like a Dragon and I think it is excellent. It is very quirky and more oddball than any of the other mainline Yakuza titles, so I am not sure if I can just recommend it to anyone, but to those who have affinity with JRPGs, Japanese humor, and offcourse the Yakuza games it is worth checking out. Like all Yakuza games though, the beginning can be a little bit overbearing with hours of cutscenes and dialogue before it really starts going. But I absolutely love it. And man is there a lot of content here, as is custom in many Yakuza games. But the whole party system and JRPG premise make me more inclined to do side stuff than usual.

[Herrick]

I am enjoying the game (also on Xbox One X), but I think the bugs have just become the easy thing to point toward instead of articulating some larger disappointments. Such as, the pre-GTA San Andreas AI, the lack of really meaningful RPG elements and well-written side quests, and the train-set style open world. All of this leads to a far less immersive experience than people were probably hoping for, even if it's still an unprecedented game.

Agreed. I was very disappointed with the side quests until 40 hours in when I finally started to get some good ones. I do not know why this is. Must have to do with progression in the main quest which I was putting off for a while.

[cramx3]

I enjoyed the one side quest that had you looking for an old concert bootleg 

Today I downloaded all my twitch videos and made a bug edit for youtube, but also found this clip that I forgot about.  I put it in the video as I think that sword swipe was a bug the way it threw the guy, but also where he landed and how the dead body drove off was so perfect and funny, just as I used a perk point on my blades and wanted to show off my "samurai" skills 

[TheOutlawXanadu]

Interesting that some of you aren't enjoying the side quests. I'm generally liking them, and even loving some of them, but there's definitely a lot of filler as well.

[ariich]

Interesting that some of you aren't enjoying the side quests. I'm generally liking them, and even loving some of them, but there's definitely a lot of filler as well.

I did read a couple of articles saying that it's much better to progress the main story a reasonable amount before getting too stuck in to side quests, so it's possible a lot of the early side quests aren't very interesting.

To be honest it just sounds a lot like The Witcher 3 in so many regards, just a different setting and combat style (and more customisation for your character). It feels like people were expecting something else.

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

I just wanna say it's really sad to see the game being thrown around like a punchingbag in social media. I'm not defending CDPR it's just a reflection from someone that's waited so long for the game.

I think that it seems the game has sold really well so I think if CDPR just focus on getting the game in a good state towards future content they might redeem themself. I mean i've played now for 50+ hours and enjoyed every minute of it including bugs so I hope most people can have the same experience at some point in the future.

[ReaperKK]

The hype was so big that it was never going to become the game people thought it was going to be, coupled with the poor performance on xbox and ps 4 and features that were shown but didn't make the final cut got people really upset. I do think CDPR could've done much better but also there have been huge fuckups by other studios in the past and they recovered, for example fallout 76 was a hot, steaming pile of fallout trash on release.

In the end I think the gaming community needs to wait for reviews to see if the game lives up to the hype, but the chances of that happening are 0.

[ErHaO]

I don't really care about the companies but I do care about the developers, the people who bring us these great experiences. And it is sad to see that their passion project has become a big meme and possibly one of the most negative/worst launches of all time with all the shit going on.


There are some big difference with the likes of Fallout 76, Anthem and whatnot though, which may explain the scope of the backlash to some degree.
-Sales numbers. Cyberpunk's sales dwarf those other famous meme games. There were 8 million preorders alone (!). This game is in the upper tier of AAA games in terms of launch sales. Fallout 76, for example, managed like 1.4 million at the end of it's year. And many people knew it was going to be a mess to some degree.
-Expectations, partially set by CD project themselves with false marketing. The signs and expectations that Fallout 76 and some of the other shit AAA launches were going to be bad where there. CD Projekt really did all they could to maintain the image that it was going to be up to their standards. From only allowing reviews with high end selected footage to competely hiding the last gen versions.
-Their terrible PR/communication, towards everyone. CD projekt as a company screwed basically everyone in one way or another. The consumers, shareholders, the storefronts, their own devs, the journalists. They are getting shat on from all fronts. But in the end that is the managements own doing. Say what you will about the likes of EA, but they at least often keep certain groups happy, usually (the storefronts, their own developers and shareholders, for example).

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

*Cyberpunk Spoilers*

So I just completed the main story and as a completionist i'm annoyed I can't continue after the story but being forced to play from your last checkpoint. Meaning that you continue playing as you still have the last story mission left to do. Some may not care that much but that really irks me, greatly. I wanna feel that I completed the main story and then continue with my life since you are going back to earth, or atleast that's what I chose.

[King Postwhore]

Just saw no joke 500 Serues X shipping out of the Wal Mart DC I work at today.

[Herrick]

The hype was so big that it was never going to become the game people thought it was going to be, coupled with the poor performance on xbox and ps 4 and features that were shown but didn't make the final cut got people really upset. I do think CDPR could've done much better but also there have been huge fuckups by other studios in the past and they recovered, for example fallout 76 was a hot, steaming pile of fallout trash on release.

In the end I think the gaming community needs to wait for reviews to see if the game lives up to the hype, but the chances of that happening are 0.

Agreed. I think a handful of people will never pre-order games again but the vast majority will continue to do so.

I don't really care about the companies but I do care about the developers, the people who bring us these great experiences. And it is sad to see that their passion project has become a big meme and possibly one of the most negative/worst launches of all time with all the shit going on.


There are some big difference with the likes of Fallout 76, Anthem and whatnot though, which may explain the scope of the backlash to some degree.
-Sales numbers. Cyberpunk's sales dwarf those other famous meme games. There were 8 million preorders alone (!). This game is in the upper tier of AAA games in terms of launch sales. Fallout 76, for example, managed like 1.4 million at the end of it's year. And many people knew it was going to be a mess to some degree.
-Expectations, partially set by CD project themselves with false marketing. The signs and expectations that Fallout 76 and some of the other shit AAA launches were going to be bad where there. CD Projekt really did all they could to maintain the image that it was going to be up to their standards. From only allowing reviews with high end selected footage to competely hiding the last gen versions.
-Their terrible PR/communication, towards everyone. CD projekt as a company screwed basically everyone in one way or another. The consumers, shareholders, the storefronts, their own devs, the journalists. They are getting shat on from all fronts. But in the end that is the managements own doing. Say what you will about the likes of EA, but they at least often keep certain groups happy, usually (the storefronts, their own developers and shareholders, for example).

Well said. It's a shame they couldn't just delay the game again and put it out when they were truly ready.

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

They had to have been pushed in some form to release it early. I mean they had a long dev time and they delayed the game a couple of times so why then just drop it in thst state?
Or maybe they just took a leap of faith to release it at christmas to get the most sales and not thinking the backlash to be that great.

Eitherway it's mostly about bad performance and bugs. Sure the game is not featuring everything they promised but it's still a great game and stuff can be added into the game later.
No Man's Sky is a diffrent game today than at launch.

Whatever you may think about it it's kind of the norm today with early access and so on.
*Patch the hell out of it for a couple of months after release to a functional state and then add missing/new content during a two year period while still constantly patch the game.*

I should say it's mostly a thing on PC atleast, I don't think console people have that "problem".

[Herrick]

They had to have been pushed in some form to release it early. I mean they had a long dev time and they delayed the game a couple of times so why then just drop it in thst state?
Or maybe they just took a leap of faith to release it at christmas to get the most sales and not thinking the backlash to be that great.

Eitherway it's mostly about bad performance and bugs. Sure the game is not featuring everything they promised but it's still a great game and stuff can be added into the game later.
No Man's Sky is a diffrent game today than at launch.

Whatever you may think about it it's kind of the norm today with early access and so on.
*Patch the hell out of it for a couple of months after release to a functional state and then add missing/new content during a two year period while still constantly patch the game.*

I should say it's mostly a thing on PC atleast, I don't think console people have that "problem".

I never really followed the development of this game. I'll have to check out which features are missing.

[Ben_Jamin]

They had to have been pushed in some form to release it early. I mean they had a long dev time and they delayed the game a couple of times so why then just drop it in thst state?
Or maybe they just took a leap of faith to release it at christmas to get the most sales and not thinking the backlash to be that great.

Eitherway it's mostly about bad performance and bugs. Sure the game is not featuring everything they promised but it's still a great game and stuff can be added into the game later.
No Man's Sky is a diffrent game today than at launch.

Whatever you may think about it it's kind of the norm today with early access and so on.
*Patch the hell out of it for a couple of months after release to a functional state and then add missing/new content during a two year period while still constantly patch the game.*

I should say it's mostly a thing on PC atleast, I don't think console people have that "problem".

Sucks when people can't afford good Internet Connection speeds, and constantly spend their time just updating. Because these files tend to be huge. One guy I know who was a gamer and played mainly CoD games, is now considering ending his gaming days. Just because he has to constantly download and update.

That is the major problem I have with Modern Video Games, and exactly why I love my Switch, and I see it as a reason why the Switch is doing as good as it is. NO large download speeds, only small patch updates, usually DLC. the one game that I have to update, and the file size is usually kind of big, is Mortal Kombat.

IF it wasn't for this reason. I would gladly be playing online a lot more and would have those consoles.

[cramx3]

COD is king of ridiculous game file size and updates.  It's so ridiculous, but I think that's probably the future of gaming as these games just keep getting bigger and bigger and since games constantly get updates these days, those updates also get bigger and bigger.  I'm no fan of these updates, but i think that's just the future of how these big games will be.

[ErHaO]

Theoretically with the standard being fast SSD's, devs could make file sizes smaller because they don't need duplicate assets anymore. But for that the way games are made needs to change in a way. Furthermore, with the great success of a.i., it should be theoretically possible to ditch 4k or 8k textures and upscale them on the fly in the future. But for that devs will need to change their approach as well and a.i. probably needs to be refined further.

So yes for the coming years game file sizes will likely keep increasing. But Call of Duty is simply ridiculous.

[Herrick]

Has anyone played the main quest in Cyberpunk 2077 called "Gimme Danger"? Fear Not. No Spoilers. I'm experiencing a bug that makes this mission a fucking stroll in the park. Wondering if anyone else has this same bug.

[cramx3]

Has anyone played the main quest in Cyberpunk 2077 called "Gimme Danger"? Fear Not. No Spoilers. I'm experiencing a bug that makes this mission a fucking stroll in the park. Wondering if anyone else has this same bug.

I have that up next but won't be back to playing until Sunday

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201224005214/en/EQUITY-ALERT-Rosen-Law-Firm-Files-Securities-Class-Action-Lawsuit-Against-CD-Projekt-S.A.-%E2%80%93-OTGLY-OTGLF

I just feel there's so much salt about this.

I don't know the full picture of course but if I had a guess it's usually something this:

1. A dev studio take their time with their game because they want to make the best game possible
2. Hype is building and investors gets anxious
3. Dev studio announces release date
4. Inverstors gets hyped
5. The game is delayed
6. Investors moan but understands kinda
7. The game is delayed again
8. Investors are sad and wants answers
9. Dev company releases statment: The game is done when it's done.
10. Investors nods oki but grumbles, hype continues
11. Game is delayed again
12. Investors cry and DEMAND answers, they want their investment and don't trust the studio anymore
13. The studio feels the pressure
14. They finally release the game and kinda hope for the best
15. The launch is a disaster, especially for one demographic of investors
16. Investors are furious and DEMAND refunds
17. Investors collectively sues the dev company because they released an unfinished product.
18. The dev studio whispers in silent: We told you so


I don't know, I just feel that's kinda what happens more and more these days. It's a neverending story.

[Ben_Jamin]

Do they have a case?

I don't know, but it's a real problem with entitlement and demand. It sucks when you have the ones whom invested in your final product demanding it, fast and quick and right now with no bugs and problems at all, that is unrealistic in this current time. If these games were to take their time and be really developed like the olden days, it'll take years for some to patch the bugs for release. That's a very unfortunate part of this type of market.

[Herrick]

I have no idea how these things work, but I would assume there was a mutually agreed-upon time frame for this game to be released. Can't really blame investors for wanting to cash in. That's the risk everyone takes when they have investors, methinks.

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

Do they have a case?

I don't know, but it's a real problem with entitlement and demand. It sucks when you have the ones whom invested in your final product demanding it, fast and quick and right now with no bugs and problems at all, that is unrealistic in this current time. If these games were to take their time and be really developed like the olden days, it'll take years for some to patch the bugs for release. That's a very unfortunate part of this type of market.

Yea that's the downside with developing high-end AAA-games, they're just so complicated to make these days. It's literally a pipedream to release a completly bugfree game and it's kinda accepted in some form because it's so common. I mean that's a weird product to sell when you think about it.

[Ben_Jamin]

Do they have a case?

I don't know, but it's a real problem with entitlement and demand. It sucks when you have the ones whom invested in your final product demanding it, fast and quick and right now with no bugs and problems at all, that is unrealistic in this current time. If these games were to take their time and be really developed like the olden days, it'll take years for some to patch the bugs for release. That's a very unfortunate part of this type of market.

Yea that's the downside with developing high-end AAA-games, they're just so complicated to make these days. It's literally a pipedream to release a completly bugfree game and it's kinda accepted in some form because it's so common. I mean that's a weird product to sell when you think about it.

Even the older games weren't completely bug free. They were known as glitches. And there are some pretty funny ones.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

Has anyone played the main quest in Cyberpunk 2077 called "Gimme Danger"? Fear Not. No Spoilers. I'm experiencing a bug that makes this mission a fucking stroll in the park. Wondering if anyone else has this same bug.

I completed that mission last week, and from what I recall, I didn't experience any notable bugs. Curious to hear what happened to you.

[ErHaO]

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201224005214/en/EQUITY-ALERT-Rosen-Law-Firm-Files-Securities-Class-Action-Lawsuit-Against-CD-Projekt-S.A.-%E2%80%93-OTGLY-OTGLF

I just feel there's so much salt about this.

I don't know the full picture of course but if I had a guess it's usually something this:

1. A dev studio take their time with their game because they want to make the best game possible
2. Hype is building and investors gets anxious
3. Dev studio announces release date
4. Inverstors gets hyped
5. The game is delayed
6. Investors moan but understands kinda
7. The game is delayed again
8. Investors are sad and wants answers
9. Dev company releases statment: The game is done when it's done.
10. Investors nods oki but grumbles, hype continues
11. Game is delayed again
12. Investors cry and DEMAND answers, they want their investment and don't trust the studio anymore
13. The studio feels the pressure
14. They finally release the game and kinda hope for the best
15. The launch is a disaster, especially for one demographic of investors
16. Investors are furious and DEMAND refunds
17. Investors collectively sues the dev company because they released an unfinished product.
18. The dev studio whispers in silent: We told you so


I don't know, I just feel that's kinda what happens more and more these days. It's a neverending story.

There is a distinction between CDprojekt as a company and CDprojekt the development team. The claim is that the company mislead it's shareholders (and consumers), which is based on several of their remarks.

For example, in January this year CDprojekt stated that the game was complete and playable, which according to sources (aka devs) was a straight up lie (see recent Bloomberg article).

[MrBoom_shack-a-lack]

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201224005214/en/EQUITY-ALERT-Rosen-Law-Firm-Files-Securities-Class-Action-Lawsuit-Against-CD-Projekt-S.A.-%E2%80%93-OTGLY-OTGLF

I just feel there's so much salt about this.

I don't know the full picture of course but if I had a guess it's usually something this:

1. A dev studio take their time with their game because they want to make the best game possible
2. Hype is building and investors gets anxious
3. Dev studio announces release date
4. Inverstors gets hyped
5. The game is delayed
6. Investors moan but understands kinda
7. The game is delayed again
8. Investors are sad and wants answers
9. Dev company releases statment: The game is done when it's done.
10. Investors nods oki but grumbles, hype continues
11. Game is delayed again
12. Investors cry and DEMAND answers, they want their investment and don't trust the studio anymore
13. The studio feels the pressure
14. They finally release the game and kinda hope for the best
15. The launch is a disaster, especially for one demographic of investors
16. Investors are furious and DEMAND refunds
17. Investors collectively sues the dev company because they released an unfinished product.
18. The dev studio whispers in silent: We told you so


I don't know, I just feel that's kinda what happens more and more these days. It's a neverending story.

There is a distinction between CDprojekt as a company and CDprojekt the development team. The claim is that the company mislead it's shareholders (and consumers), which is based on several of their remarks.

For example, in January this year CDprojekt stated that the game was complete and playable, which according to sources (aka devs) was a straight up lie (see recent Bloomberg article).

There's probably alot of things we don't know about. Did they specifically said that it was playable on all systems? I can't access that article.