Revenge319's relatively normal roulette: Love list complete! (FINAL RESULTS)

[Evermind]

I definitely think Jotunheim is way too long, sorry Pup.

[Crow]

i could say that of every song on that album, even excluding the like 5 minutes of ambience at the end of jotunheim

i have their 2016 album and it's, solid, but not one i've gone back to since... uh... 2016...

[Luoto]

Moonsorrow is one of those bands that at their best go from "do these songs really have to be this long", to "wow, this is actually good" after like three spins. You have to be ok with the vocals though.

[Revenge319]

Jotunheim

RIP

Hey Revenge, do you think it'd be possible to add "banned during the roulette" list to the OP? It's usually no problem but as the results are scattered in parts, it becomes a bit of a pain to see if the band was already sent.

They should've called that song Helheim


Ah, I'd forgotten to update the "Banned during roulette" list! I will do that now.

[Buddyhunter1]

Their most recent album is fantastic. Long songs, but damn good ones. Puppies keeps pushing the album Jotunheim is from but I've only listened to it once, so I can't really weigh in if I think the songs on it are too long quite yet.

[Sacul]

First things first, who sends Steven Wilson when the host has PT and one SW album banned, especially considering that the banned list is only like 10 bands long?

I was just following jingle's advice about cheating

“Routine” is kind of an interesting one; I really like this song, but I think this song would be better without the female vocalist. Her voice isn’t bad or anything (though it admittedly sounds kind of “generic”, for lack of a better word), but I feel like if it was just Steven singing, it’d add a lot more to the song.

Also what? No way that'd work for me. Ninet is absolutely fantastic on this song.

But also this wtf

[HOF]

Sent!

[Evermind]

Sent!

[Buddyhunter1]

Sent as well. Will probably cock-block at least a couple people with this one... if someone hasn't already beat me to it!

[King Puppies and the Acid Guppies]

Their most recent album is fantastic. Long songs, but damn good ones. Puppies keeps pushing the album Jotunheim is from but I've only listened to it once, so I can't really weigh in if I think the songs on it are too long quite yet.

So here's the deal with Verisakeet. I too had the same reaction when I first listened to this album (it was my introduction to Moonsorrow). The songs seemed way too long, the instrumentation seemed to all blend together, the vocals seemed unnecessary, the production sounded muddy, etc etc. I set the album aside for about 2 years. When I finally came back to it I had upgraded the headphones I typically would listen to music on. That made a world of difference. If you are listening to Moonsorrow on shitty headphones or speakers, you are missing out on a lot. The instrumentation is just so dense, with so much going on, it can't be replicated on cheap equipment. Now I realize not everyone can afford expensive high quality sound setups, but it really does make a difference. At the same time, I had become more accustomed to 15+ minute songs that are not Prog Metal epics. I had become more engrossed in Atmospheric Black Metal and grew a lot of appreciation for long songs that don't go into instrumental wankery to pad the length (see Dream Theater or most traditional prog metal bands). Also I dug into the lyrical content more. Being a band that only sings in Finnish, this was a little more difficult, but the lyrics are fantastic and the vocals fit the concept perfectly. I have come to love the album so much it moved its way up to my number 2 album of all time.

I know I pimp Verisakeet more so than their other albums, but that's only because I feel it is the best place to get a full appreciation of the band in their prime. However, their albums V: Hävitetty, Kivenkantaja, and Jumalten aika, as well as the EP Tulimyrsky, are all basically just as good. I mean Jumalten aika is basically just Verisakeet 2 as far as overall sound goes.

[Revenge319]

So here's the deal with Verisakeet. I too had the same reaction when I first listened to this album (it was my introduction to Moonsorrow). The songs seemed way too long, the instrumentation seemed to all blend together, the vocals seemed unnecessary, the production sounded muddy, etc etc. I set the album aside for about 2 years. When I finally came back to it I had upgraded the headphones I typically would listen to music on. That made a world of difference. If you are listening to Moonsorrow on shitty headphones or speakers, you are missing out on a lot. The instrumentation is just so dense, with so much going on, it can't be replicated on cheap equipment. Now I realize not everyone can afford expensive high quality sound setups, but it really does make a difference. At the same time, I had become more accustomed to 15+ minute songs that are not Prog Metal epics. I had become more engrossed in Atmospheric Black Metal and grew a lot of appreciation for long songs that don't go into instrumental wankery to pad the length (see Dream Theater or most traditional prog metal bands). Also I dug into the lyrical content more. Being a band that only sings in Finnish, this was a little more difficult, but the lyrics are fantastic and the vocals fit the concept perfectly. I have come to love the album so much it moved its way up to my number 2 album of all time.

I know I pimp Verisakeet more so than their other albums, but that's only because I feel it is the best place to get a full appreciation of the band in their prime. However, their albums V: Hävitetty, Kivenkantaja, and Jumalten aika, as well as the EP Tulimyrsky, are all basically just as good. I mean Jumalten aika is basically just Verisakeet 2 as far as overall sound goes.

I have a very good pair of headphones, so it's probably not that I've missed some elements of the instrumentation. Maybe one day I'll come back to it and pay very close attention to everything that's going on and see if my thoughts have changed. Also, the production sounded fine to me, but then again I'm probably one of the least qualified people on this forum to talk about good album production.

[King Puppies and the Acid Guppies]

So here's the deal with Verisakeet. I too had the same reaction when I first listened to this album (it was my introduction to Moonsorrow). The songs seemed way too long, the instrumentation seemed to all blend together, the vocals seemed unnecessary, the production sounded muddy, etc etc. I set the album aside for about 2 years. When I finally came back to it I had upgraded the headphones I typically would listen to music on. That made a world of difference. If you are listening to Moonsorrow on shitty headphones or speakers, you are missing out on a lot. The instrumentation is just so dense, with so much going on, it can't be replicated on cheap equipment. Now I realize not everyone can afford expensive high quality sound setups, but it really does make a difference. At the same time, I had become more accustomed to 15+ minute songs that are not Prog Metal epics. I had become more engrossed in Atmospheric Black Metal and grew a lot of appreciation for long songs that don't go into instrumental wankery to pad the length (see Dream Theater or most traditional prog metal bands). Also I dug into the lyrical content more. Being a band that only sings in Finnish, this was a little more difficult, but the lyrics are fantastic and the vocals fit the concept perfectly. I have come to love the album so much it moved its way up to my number 2 album of all time.

I know I pimp Verisakeet more so than their other albums, but that's only because I feel it is the best place to get a full appreciation of the band in their prime. However, their albums V: Hävitetty, Kivenkantaja, and Jumalten aika, as well as the EP Tulimyrsky, are all basically just as good. I mean Jumalten aika is basically just Verisakeet 2 as far as overall sound goes.

I have a very good pair of headphones, so it's probably not that I've missed some elements of the instrumentation. Maybe one day I'll come back to it and pay very close attention to everything that's going on and see if my thoughts have changed. Also, the production sounded fine to me, but then again I'm probably one of the least qualified people on this forum to talk about good album production.

In the end it all comes down to tastes. I've accepted the fact that most people on this forum don't like Moonsorrow. That isn't going to stop me from sending them in roulettes though

[Revenge319]

I haven't even received all the submissions, and there's already some unprecedented stuff going on in this round! You'll probably be able to piece together what those things are when I post my first impressions (which I'll most likely get out by Tuesday or Wednesday).

[jingle.boy]

I'll take the score, but man... some of those comments!  Fair point about the end of Machine, but the song is just too damned good for that to take anything away from it.

After your comments regarding Time, it's a good thing I didn't send Money!   

Now to decide... keep it old school, or give you what you're clearly craving with modern metal.

[Revenge319]

I'll take the score, but man... some of those comments!  Fair point about the end of Machine, but the song is just too damned good for that to take anything away from it.

After your comments regarding Time, it's a good thing I didn't send Money!   

Now to decide... keep it old school, or give you what you're clearly craving with modern metal.

Yeah, the ending of Welcome to the Machine doesn't lessen my enjoyment of the song. Also, I do remember Money having some money-related sound effects as well (though I don't remember what exactly it sounded like).

Regarding the submissions, feel free to do whatever you like! There is plenty of modern stuff, it would seem, so I don't mind if you choose to keep going with the old-school stuff.

[425]

In the end it all comes down to tastes. I've accepted the fact that most people on this forum don't like Moonsorrow. That isn't going to stop me from sending them in roulettes though

Looking forward to listening to that whole album in a couple of weeks, then!


Re: Steven Wilson: I also would not have sent him given the banned list, but I suppose I understand the inclination to always cheat. My heretical opinion is that I don't really "get" Routine, and that includes the female vocals. And also I haven't even heard any of the other Wilson songs that were sent.

[Sacul]

I think you'd love Deform to Form a Star, it's one of his best ballads.

[King Postwhore]

I think you'd love Deform to Form a Star, it's one of his best ballads.

I had it on a playlist I made for a trip to Vermont and cranked it today on the drive up.

[Revenge319]

Re: Steven Wilson: I also would not have sent him given the banned list, but I suppose I understand the inclination to always cheat. My heretical opinion is that I don't really "get" Routine, and that includes the female vocals. And also I haven't even heard any of the other Wilson songs that were sent.

Well, I think it's fair game, seeing as I didn't ban Steven Wilson altogether. I suppose it is a really easy choice if you're wanting to get a good score, but as the host I'm just interested in listening to more music I don't know, which includes the majority of Steven Wilson's solo material.

[Crow]

my round 5 artist is one i kinda expect revenge to react middlingly to and i'm still tempted to switch them out for someone else but hhmmm might be fun to lose

[Revenge319]

my round 5 artist is one i kinda expect revenge to react middlingly to and i'm still tempted to switch them out for someone else but hhmmm might be fun to lose

I'll probably want to listen to your original line-up the whole way through, but if you decide at some point that you really want me to try out another artist instead, feel free to let me know. And if you decide to keep your Round 5 submission, feel free to send whatever other artist you were thinking of post-roulette. That goes for everyone else as well; I won't do proper first impressions or reviews, but when the roulette is over I can occasionally briefly talk about any other artists that you guys really wanted to send during this roulette. Although since that's post-roulette, it'd probably be a while before I'd discuss said artists.

[TAC]

Yeah, especially since it's probably going to be a while for you to discuss the Round 3 artists!

[Crow]

the two artists i'm thinking of replacing that one with would either best belong between the current round 2 & 3 artists or the current round 3 & 4 artists respectively, we'll see what i decide in the end but i'll probably just stick to my guns because both are less uniquely pandacore imo lol but both very damn good all the same

if i need to dial back after round 4 i'll definitely send one as a replacement

[Revenge319]

Just as a reminder, I still need Round 3 submissions from:

- Elite
- jingle.boy
- romdrums
- Sacul
- twosuitsluke

[Crow]

Just as a reminder, I still need Round 3 submissions from:

- Elite
- Sacul

shocked. aghast.

[twosuitsluke]

Sent my first real wild card.

Pretty sure this band has bombed in every roulette I've sent them in, but here goes.

[twosuitsluke]

Checking out these Moonsorrow songs, see which side of the fence I lie. According to Last.fm I have listened to Jumalten Aika before, but I've not heard these two songs before.

[jingle.boy]

Just as a reminder, I still need Round 3 submissions from:

- Elite
- jingle.boy
- romdrums
- Sacul
- twosuitsluke

Really?  Really?  not even 12 hours after you finally post results for four of the above, and you're gonna call people out?

I'll take as much time to send mine as it took for you to post results. 

[King Postwhore]

Like a boss Chad.  Like a boss.

[Elite]

My result was in the last batch, so I’ll send quite soon.

[Revenge319]

Just as a reminder, I still need Round 3 submissions from:

- Elite
- jingle.boy
- romdrums
- Sacul
- twosuitsluke

Really?  Really?  not even 12 hours after you finally post results for four of the above, and you're gonna call people out?

I'll take as much time to send mine as it took for you to post results. 

Aw, I didn't mean it like that... I'm sure you're probably joking about that, but it's just a friendly reminder, is all.
It's also a reminder for myself, in a way. I've gotta make absolutely sure I have all the submissions I need once everyone sends.

[Sacul]

Sent.

[jingle.boy]

Sent... from the God/Founding Father of prog-metal concept albums.

[The Walrus]

Sent... from the God/Founding Father of prog-metal concept albums.

Something from Mindcrime surely

[romdrums]

Round 3 sent