Revenge319's relatively normal roulette: Love list complete! (FINAL RESULTS)

[HOF]

I'm not saying they're bad, just that with an entire discography at ones disposal, those would not be my final 4 choices.

Maybe I'm strange, but this isn't always the approach I take. I often try to pick the song from the top ~10% of a band's discography that I think the host will be most likely to enjoy. And in this case where multiple songs are sent, another consideration is trying to give a broad representative of a band's sound.

Right. Like, I didn’t send my favorite Journey song even. I usually go with a mix of what I think might connect with the host and songs I just dig that I want to see if someone else will too (which are often not thought of as the band’s best songs).

[Lethean]

Stadler sending DT:

Status Seeker
Burning My Soul
Through Her Eyes
Constant Motion
Withered


 

I'd say all of these songs are at least a 8/10.

Do you have a favorite DT album?  Or favorite few?

From that list, I love Through Her Eyes.  Sounded so good on the last tour too - really powerful.  The others I like, except kinda Constant Motion. 

For Maiden, I like The Clairvoyant a lot.  I don't think I'd send it in a roulette though.  I don't know - sometimes I send what seems to be the most popular songs from a particular band, and other times I just send what I feel like.  I felt like maybe I shouldn't have sent Lacquer in round 1 but I did it anyway because that song hit me so hard and it (and City Burials in general) has been a great pandemic companion.

[Revenge319]

Stadler sending DT:

Status Seeker
Burning My Soul
Through Her Eyes
Constant Motion
Withered


 

I'd say all of these songs are at least a 8/10.

Do you have a favorite DT album?  Or favorite few?

My Dream Theater album rankings, from most amazing to least amazing:

1. Black Clouds and Silver Linings
2. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
3. Octavarium
4. Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory
5. A Dramatic Turn of Events
6. The Astonishing
7. Distance Over Time
8. Systematic Chaos
9. Images and Words
10. Awake
11. Train of Thought
12. Dream Theater
13. Falling Into Infinity
14. When Dream and Day Unite

[Buddyhunter1]

Well, it's good to see some appreciation for Octavarium and BC&SL, at least.
Surprised Train Of Thought is so low given the top three.

[HOF]

Seeing the ranking of DT albums is pretty useful information! Mine would be almost the opposite (not totally)!

[Revenge319]

Well, it's good to see some appreciation for Octavarium and BC&SL, at least.
Surprised Train Of Thought is so low given the top three.

Well, Train of Thought has what I consider Dream Theater's "worst" song, so that brings down the album as a whole. If it weren't on the album, I think Train of Thought would be around #6 or #7.

[TAC]

Well, it's good to see some appreciation for Octavarium and BC&SL, at least.
Surprised Train Of Thought is so low given the top three.

Well, Train of Thought has what I consider Dream Theater's "worst" song, so that brings down the album as a whole. If it weren't on the album, I think Train of Thought would be around #6 or #7.

Wut?

[Revenge319]

Well, it's good to see some appreciation for Octavarium and BC&SL, at least.
Surprised Train Of Thought is so low given the top three.

Well, Train of Thought has what I consider Dream Theater's "worst" song, so that brings down the album as a whole. If it weren't on the album, I think Train of Thought would be around #6 or #7.

Wut?

Dream Theater has only ever done one song that wasn't good in my eyes, and that song would be Honor Thy Father.

[Buddyhunter1]

Honor Thy Father is a top ten Dream Theater song. Tastes^TM

[HOF]

Honor Thy Father is pretty bad (lyrically at least), but Endless Sacrifice is also dreadful.

[Buddyhunter1]

y'all are weird

[TAC]

Well, it's good to see some appreciation for Octavarium and BC&SL, at least.
Surprised Train Of Thought is so low given the top three.

Well, Train of Thought has what I consider Dream Theater's "worst" song, so that brings down the album as a whole. If it weren't on the album, I think Train of Thought would be around #6 or #7.

Wut?

Dream Theater has only ever done one song that wasn't good in my eyes, and that song would be Honor Thy Father.

Nevermind. I misread it.

[425]

Endless Sacrifice and Honor Thy Father are both good.

I'm continually surprised and confused by people's Dream Theater album lists, but I suppose as someone who puts SDOIT near the bottom I can't talk too much.

[Sacul]

Yeah particularly due to Six Degrees being their most creative record. I should revisit ToT, it's been years, I recall In the Name of God being an absolute banger.

[HOF]

I listened to ToT for the first time in years (almost a decade probably) recently. Outside of Endless Sacrifice I thought it held up pretty well. I don’t like the lyrics to Honor Thy Father (or the Twelve Step one really), but the music is kind of cool. It’s not really the kind of music I ever listen to anymore, but it took me back to a certain time in my life and was kind of fun.

[Crow]

at least we both agree that their self-titled sucks

[Revenge319]

at least we both agree that their self-titled sucks

Well actually, I think the self-titled is very good. It's just near the bottom of my rankings because it's one of their most inconsistent albums. I think it has some incredible material (Illumination Theory, The Enemy Inside, The Bigger Picture), but also some forgettable tracks (The Looking Glass, Behind the Veil, Surrender to Reason).

[Crow]

darn well i think it sucks

[HOF]

I haven’t listened to any of the post-MP albums all that closely, but the self-titled is the only one that I actually considered buying after checking it out.

[Buddyhunter1]

The self-titled is the best post-MP album IMO, though the competition isn't exactly that tough.

You should rename this thread to the controversial Dream Theater opinions thread.

[Revenge319]

You should rename this thread to the controversial Dream Theater opinions thread.

I'd make a humorously lengthy thread title, but the character limit for the thread name won't let me.

"Revenge319's relatively normal roulette: Not much to conceal (R2 Hangman, plus the slightly less important discussion of potentially controversial Dream Theater opinions)"

[425]

No one's guessed what I sent this round!


I like the post-MP albums less and less in release order. So I'd rank them:

1. ADTOE (one of my favorites)
2. DT12 (middle of the pack)
3. TA (low)
4. DOT (maybe last)

Yeah particularly due to Six Degrees being their most creative record. I should revisit ToT, it's been years, I recall In the Name of God being an absolute banger.

Most creative =/= best. It's maybe creative to end Misunderstood with grating guitar sounds, but it's still bad. In the Name of God is fantastic, though.

[Crow]

the end of misunderstood is Good, actually

i honestly think DT12 fails just on production alone because none of their albums -sound- worse, though The Astonishing and Distance Over Time both sound pretty bad too

but DT2 also just doesn't

have good songs

TA doesn't have many good songs either nor does DOT really but their highs are at least more interesting/better than DT12's highs. none of them are particularly good albums though and i doubt i'll be getting any future DT albums at this point lol

[Anguyen92]

Honor Thy Father is pretty bad (lyrically at least), but Endless Sacrifice is also dreadful.

Whistles..., the first time I've listened to Train of Thought (which was probably 5 years ago or so), those two songs were the big standouts to me.

[HOF]

No one's guessed what I sent this round!


I like the post-MP albums less and less in release order. So I'd rank them:

1. ADTOE (one of my favorites)
2. DT12 (middle of the pack)
3. TA (low)
4. DOT (maybe last)

Yeah particularly due to Six Degrees being their most creative record. I should revisit ToT, it's been years, I recall In the Name of God being an absolute banger.

Most creative =/= best. It's maybe creative to end Misunderstood with grating guitar sounds, but it's still bad. In the Name of God is fantastic, though.

The best song on SDOIT (IMO) is Blind Faith. It was kind of the last great DT song for me.

[425]

the end of misunderstood is Good, actually

i honestly think DT12 fails just on production alone because none of their albums -sound- worse, though The Astonishing and Distance Over Time both sound pretty bad too

but DT2 also just doesn't

have good songs

TA doesn't have many good songs either nor does DOT really but their highs are at least more interesting/better than DT12's highs. none of them are particularly good albums though and i doubt i'll be getting any future DT albums at this point lol

I think DOT and DT12 are their worst post-WDADU albums production-wise, yeah. TA I'm fine with. My main issue on DT12 and DOT is that it feels like there was this push to make things sound really heavy, but with the result being that the mix feels compressed and claustrophobic. Like, let the music breathe.

I like a lot of the songs on DT12. I also like many of the songs on DOT. But I think those albums represent a progression away from writing the kind of songs I come to DT for. This recent trend toward really compact songs just... does not fit with the reasons I listen to that band. It's crazy to me that they have not written a single song in the 10-15 minute range since ADTOE.

I'm definitely still more a fan of Dream Theater than a lot of the GMD denizens who have mostly left the band behind. I like all their albums and have favorites from even the more maligned ones. But there is something I'm wanting to hear from them that I haven't really heard since ADTOE.

[Lethean]

Stadler sending DT:

Status Seeker
Burning My Soul
Through Her Eyes
Constant Motion
Withered


 

I'd say all of these songs are at least a 8/10.

Do you have a favorite DT album?  Or favorite few?

My Dream Theater album rankings, from most amazing to least amazing:

1. Black Clouds and Silver Linings
2. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
3. Octavarium
4. Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory
5. A Dramatic Turn of Events
6. The Astonishing
7. Distance Over Time
8. Systematic Chaos
9. Images and Words
10. Awake
11. Train of Thought
12. Dream Theater
13. Falling Into Infinity
14. When Dream and Day Unite

We agree on #14. And possibly #2. 

I don't have a definite list, but Scenes is pretty much my favorite, then I think Six Degrees, then The Astonishing.  Then I guess Awake, the other 3 MM albums, and I&W in the next tier.

[HOF]

I’ll bite:

1. Awake
2. FII (could be one depending on the day)
3. I&W
4. ACOS (it’s still an album’s worth of music and essential DT IMO)
5. SFAM
6. SDOIT
7. WDADU
8. TOT
9. Octavarium
10. Systematic Chaos (the last one I bought)

[425]

I guess I'll do it too, why not. Approximate, especially since I haven't listened to some of these in years, but:

1. Images and Words
2. Metropolis, Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory
3. A Dramatic Turn of Events
4. Train of Thought
5. Awake
6. Systematic Chaos
7. Black Clouds & Silver Linings
8. Octavarium (not intentional)
9. Dream Theater
10. Falling Into Infinity
11. When Dream and Day Unite
12. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
13. The Astonishing
14. Distance Over Time

[Buddyhunter1]

i honestly think DT12 fails just on production alone because none of their albums -sound- worse

I think DOT and DT12 are their worst post-WDADU albums production-wise, yeah.

ADTOE would like a word.

[425]

ADTOE certainly has a bad production, but it's bad in a way where I feel like someone was trying to do something I'd like and messed up, whereas DT12 and DOT are bad in a way where I feel the entire approach was just bad from the outset.

[Revenge319]

the end of misunderstood is Good, actually

Agreed. I know a lot of people don't like the part where the guitar's all loud and screechy, but I don't mind it. I also think that single moment is the pure embodiment of the album's title. Inner turbulence, indeed.

[Sacul]

Absolutely. I think it's the album's creativity combined with the accessibility of their songs that hits the sweet spot for me and makes it my fav DT album.

[Lethean]

I love how different everyone's lists are.

[HOF]

I like Misunderstood well enough too. It might be better without the backwards solo and weird sounds at the end, but I don’t hate them and the atmosphere of that track is kind of cool.