I read a quote from someone -- I don't remember who -- to the effect that if they had a friend who claimed to be Christian, but did not try to convert them, then they knew that that person was not a true Christian. If you honestly believed that after you die, you were going to live forever in a beautiful paradise, and everyone else was going to burn in eternal torment, and you didn't at least try to get every one of your friends on board, then either you don't really believe it or you're not a good friend, which means you don't really believe it anyway. I couldn't find any hole in that argument. That's not meant to be a challenge, but I suppose it could be. I'm curious what others think of that line of reasoning. Today, the mantra is to leave it be, let everyone decide for themselves, don't ask, don't tell, etc. I get that, but his point was sound. If you really believed it, wouldn't you want every one of your friends to come with you? Could you really live happily forever in paradise knowing how many of your friends are burning in Hell?
I have a LOT of problems with that argument.
First - and there's a term for it, I'm just blanking on it - but that form of argument, that sort of assumes the answer through a tautology - is annoying. Don't question my intent, and play on my emotions and doubts, in order to push your agenda. (All "you's" are general, Orbert, and have nothing to do with you personally).
Second, there is nothing "christian" - small "c" - in that definition of "true Christian". Nothing about any of the tenets of the religion, no reference to any rules or guidelines for the treatment of fellow man, no guidelines for how to conduct oneself in a community, no guidelines for how to comply with the teachings of Christ or his disciples, just simply a self-proclaimed devout belief in a certain vision of the afterlife and a rote "sale" of that vision to others.
Third, it's trying to objectify a subjective, personal decision. I think Kiss's music is sublime, the perfect blend of rock, melody, escapism and release. I feel no need to make sure you - an intelligent, sentient, competent being with the ability and facility to draw your own conclusions as to what is right for you - see that music the same way I do. It's a matter of prioritization. I prioritize YOUR free will, YOUR ability to draw conclusions and YOUR ability to see the world through clear eyes, more than I do my perception of what a spiritual healing looks like. I would say that if I really was your true friend, I would know - not believe, but KNOW - that you have the judgment, intelligence and insight to see what spiritual release is right for you.
Fourth, it makes too many literal assumptions (I think - I don't know, but I think - this goes to the definition of "Christian"). If you believe "Christian" means the more literal interpretation of the Bible, as adopted by several of the Baptist sects, then maybe; if you believe that "Christian" means a more general belief in Christ as a the son of God (and the Holy Trinity) then perhaps the form and format of the afterlife is different. I don't necessarily believe in the actual concept of literal "hell" with "burning". I don't know that I believe in any specific practical "afterlife"; I simply do not know. I do believe there is something beyond just worms, dirt or a kiln, but I'm human; my knowledge is incomplete and subject to error and mistake.
If all this makes me "not a true Christian" then so be it. I think that judgment by someone who has never met me, never spoken to be about matters of faith, and never tested my resolve in moments of crisis is incapable of making that determination.
I was raised United Methodist, and so was my wife. We raised our kids in the United Methodist church and emphasized its tenets early on, but to be honest, I'm pretty much agnostic today, and allowed my kids to make their own choices. I do believe that there is much good in basic Christian beliefs. Love your neighbor, help other people at all times, don't kill, don't steal, don't swear, all that. The Ten Commandments and everything else. We've had a number of conversations about the ones "who go to far" and somehow twist Christ's teachings into hate and bigotry. Basically, we're pushing the good stuff and dismissing that bad, as I see it. I've always tried to present both sides of things to my kids, make my position and recommendations clear, but allow them to make their own choices.
I would point out that much in that paragraph runs afoul of the first; can a hateful and bigoted person be a "true Christian"? I personally don't think so, but it's very easy for a hateful and bigoted person to meet the criteria of the first paragraph.
Recently, the United Methodist Church officially restated their position condemning homosexuality and basically anything other than straight heterosexual behavior, amongst both its clergy and its members. For that reason, my local church, the one I still attend (or did before the lockdowns) has been actively standing against the official church. We have a rainbow flag displayed proudly on our building (we're on our fourth one now) and in our entrance way, and every sermon has at least a few "all inclusive" words. We're basically daring the high council or whatever they are to come in and do something about it. We're pretty safe, though, because our bishop is a lesbian. As far as I'm concerned the whole concept of "church politics" is an oxymoron in the first place.
FROM A PURE RELIGION STANDPOINT, I'm of two minds on the notion of "homosexuality". I think the idea of thinking homosexuality a sin is different than the idea of refusing service to homosexuals, or to denying them jobs, etc. There is plenty that you and I do on a daily basis that is "sin". There's no magic to "being born that way" that makes something free from classification as sin. There are plenty of things that we as humans have little or no actual control over that are deemed "sins". "Lusting after your neighbors wife" is technically a sin. Any psychologist worth his/her salt will tell you that your thoughts and feelings are not always in your control. The control is in what you do with it. I personally kind of feel it's a stupid fight on behalf of the church, but I'm not sure it is necessarily "hate" and "bigotry" in the same, secular way that it has encroached on our politics. Would you necessarily feel the same way if you plugged in other "sins" into that analysis? Having said all that, I DO have a problem with churches that close doors to homosexuals; that's more fundamentally a statement about the person and kind of runs afoul of the notion of man as imperfectly made in the image of God, and thus a sinner by nature (yes, I'm aware that many sects require a statement of disavowal for sin, and a pledge to move away from sin; we're getting off topic to delve into those subjects here).