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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2020, 04:55:37 PM »
Those of you who aren't a fan, why is that?
I really can't pinpoint it to a single thing. DT has always been a band that, no matter what sound  they're aiming for, always sound enthusiastic and exciting. AROP was the first time I felt rhat a DT song sounded... Uninspired. I was hyped to hear it back then since I discovered DT when they had just released Systematic Chaos, and I really wanted to like it, but it just felt... Stale to me. It reminded me of Pull Me Under way too much but without the amazing vocal melodies. MP's backup vocals didn't do anything for me either, and though I liked the tradeoff solos the first time I heard them, I can't really remember anything about them right now except for the Bebot solo, which I didn't like at all. Save for the lyrics it sounded like Pull me Under on steroids for me.

It's one of my lesser favorite DT songs, to be honest. It's not a bad song at all, but compared to the rest of DT's songs, it goes in the back of the catalog for me.

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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2021, 02:51:34 AM »
Scrolling back and forth I came to this topic. Althought a Rite of Passage is really beautiful, it is for sure not my favorite on this album. Black Clouds & Silver Linings is (next to Train of Thought) my favorite Dream Theater album. I'll spin it at least twice a month. A Nightmare is insane (especially on Luna Park) and both the Shattered Fortress and the Count of Tuscany will be in my top 10 forever. The Count of Tuscany might be - to me - the best song they've ever written. I can't recall one song were LaBrie's voice is more tence and beautiful then at the final of Tuscany.

Althought I'm hugely in minority here, this album is close to perfect.

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2021, 06:51:06 AM »
I like AROP. Not a big favorite, but one of the better 'singles'. The only problem I have with it is that the transition back to the final chorus is incredibly awkward.

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2021, 07:25:12 AM »
I actually got to see it twice live.
But yeah, it has always sounded dull to me as well - and oh boy the lyrics  :facepalm:

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #39 on: July 22, 2021, 07:35:40 AM »
I really dig JP's solo
Haven't been much of a fan of his lead tone since then...

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #40 on: July 22, 2021, 07:53:06 AM »
I love Black Clouds and Silver Linings, but "A Rite of Passage" for me is easily the weakest track on that album.  Most of the time when I play BC&SL I skip past it.  And that hasn't changed 11 years later.  I remember being worried that I was going to hate the album because of how I felt about this song, but it's still an upper tier DT album for me. 

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2021, 08:15:50 AM »
I dig this song. Not a top 10 ( of which there are probably 20 songs  :lol).  But I always enjoy it, and that middle part, I head bang every time!  :metal

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2021, 08:51:50 AM »
Ahh....Their Illuminati song.

I would enjoy it way more if it had a better way to go into the last chorus. And if the structure didn't follow the same as Constant Motion, even the solo rather than guitar its a keyboard note bomb dive.

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #43 on: July 22, 2021, 10:04:27 AM »
A Nightmare is insane (especially on Luna Park)

Eh?  A Nightmare to Remember isn't on Live at Luna Park.  In fact, nothing from BC&SL is on LALP.

As for AROP, I expressed my opinion a year ago on the prior page of this thread, and that opinion hasn't gotten better, but trying to rhyme "ideas" with "fears" is  :facepalm:
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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #44 on: July 22, 2021, 10:07:33 AM »
Rhyme pays, fool!
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« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2021, 02:54:26 PM »
Eh?  A Nightmare to Remember isn't on Live at Luna Park.  In fact, nothing from BC&SL is on LALP.

You’re right, sorry. Distant Memories of course. I’ve been ‘Luna Parked’ since the special edition with book came in, so beautiful.

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2021, 06:24:51 AM »
Black Clouds & Silver Linings is (next to Train of Thought) my favorite Dream Theater album.
I'm glad you like it.  For me, it is near the bottom of the list.
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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2021, 12:33:45 PM »
Didn't we keep saying it sounded like a reprise of another song of theirs when it came out? Like "In the Name of God" or something? I remember a bunch of people saying the way the verses flowed sounded a lot like another DT song.
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« Reply #48 on: July 26, 2021, 12:50:54 PM »
Song is great, but as I've written before, the "sound" of the song doesn't match the rest of the album.  It's as if it was a demo version they just put on the album.  The production of this song seems to be lacking compared to the rest of the album, which is stellar.

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2021, 01:25:33 PM »
Black Clouds & Silver Linings is (next to Train of Thought) my favorite Dream Theater album.
I'm glad you like it.  For me, it is near the bottom of the list.
Same here.  Even though I like the album, it just has a darker strange kind of vibe.  The album before that. Systematic Chaos is dark but in a fun way.    :metal
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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2021, 01:30:20 PM »
Didn't we keep saying it sounded like a reprise of another song of theirs when it came out? Like "In the Name of God" or something? I remember a bunch of people saying the way the verses flowed sounded a lot like another DT song.

I read somewhere here in DTF years ago that the main riff for AROP is basically the same riff in Misunderstood (4:07) :o
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2021, 03:34:37 PM »
Song is great, but as I've written before, the "sound" of the song doesn't match the rest of the album.  It's as if it was a demo version they just put on the album.  The production of this song seems to be lacking compared to the rest of the album, which is stellar.

I've noticed that as well. Seems slightly out of place because of that. Like a demo production as you said.

I actually like the song and enjoyed it when it came out. It's just about 3 minutes too long and I find myself reaching for the skip button.

Seemed like back in the 00's there was this huge problem in metal where everyone thought longer songs = better. And now we have all these bloated songs that could have been so much better without the fat. Just my opinion.

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2021, 08:55:10 PM »
This thread inspired me to try my hand at editing the song down again. I kept all the solos, just cut some instrumental stanzas at the intro and between verses. Makes it more streamlined, and thus getting through the song quicker. I guess the song in general has aged well. Still kind of a slog, and not something I'll put in rotation (my phone will liking keep playing it every time I put it on shuffle causing me to just delete it), but it's not as bad as I remember. It was never really bad per se, just kinda boring. Still almost 8 minutes after the edit.

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2021, 09:16:49 PM »
It's not a bad song. It's just that it comes from the time where Dream Theater was starting to get in the rut of making songs long, for the sake of being long and including what is termed the "wank" instrumental sections, usually consisting of trade-off solos between JP and JR, with JR using his famous lead sound patches and tones.

This is also when Jordan Rudess, started utilizing more technology into his sound catalog, and I think MP just had to include the brand new be-bot toy app in a song. It was funny watching this song live for the first time when JR first started using an Ipad on stage. Me and My Friends thought he was gonna use his Iphone on stage. :lol
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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2021, 02:23:56 PM »
Love the song......Love the album :tup

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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2021, 09:46:06 AM »
It's not a bad song. It's just that it comes from the time where Dream Theater was starting to get in the rut of making songs long, for the sake of being long and including what is termed the "wank" instrumental sections, usually consisting of trade-off solos between JP and JR, with JR using his famous lead sound patches and tones.

This is also when Jordan Rudess, started utilizing more technology into his sound catalog, and I think MP just had to include the brand new be-bot toy app in a song. It was funny watching this song live for the first time when JR first started using an Ipad on stage. Me and My Friends thought he was gonna use his Iphone on stage. :lol

Agreed. The video edit has flaws, but everything has more a sense of urgency to it doesn't milk every little moment for every drop of what it's worth.
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Re: "A Rite of Passage" -- 11 years later
« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2021, 09:55:59 AM »
When I listened to AROP I wasn't so surprised, after all the band had already provided unbelievable gems before, like Forsaken and TDEN.

But it's absolutely horrible.   :tdwn