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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2020, 07:32:55 AM »
I'm very sceptical of anything thats labelled "classic" or "must see/hear" as most of the time it falls way short of expectation.

I remember critics saying Y Tu Mama Tambien was a must-see film.

I watched it and thought it was complete cack.


I didn't see "Y Tu Mama Tambien", but the only part I would argue with is that there are certain albums/artists I think you have to hear to get the bigger picture.  It's not about "liking them" per se, but just knowing they exist, and where they "come from".  Hendrix is in there.  The Beatles from Revolver through Sgt. Pepper.   Tommy.   It's important because it informs a lot (all?) of what comes after.   I never got into Hendrix much because I thought the radio hits sucked and the guy can't sing worth his balls.  I did like Little Wing though.  Then I got gifted his first three albums (Are You Experienced?, Axis: Bold As Love, and Electric Ladyland) and it unlocked so much.   I either understood, or understood better, players from Blackmore to Roth to Vai, to even a lot of grunge, and it made a lot of the music of the last 40 years make a lot more sense.   

You can basically play a drinking game off those first three records:  "oh, that's Uli Roth on <this song>; oh, that Steve Vai on <that song>; oh, Blackmore quoted that on <the other song>".  I think that information is, or can be, important. 

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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2020, 08:10:56 AM »
okay, but if you're going to go down that way, you'll need to know where Hendrix got his information and musical upbringing (probably rock and roll and blues), and then go down the drain of the artists those RnR/Blues/RnB/whatever artists were inspired by. Where do we stop factoring in what came before and simply enjoy it for what it is? Why is Hendrix (in your example) the cut-off point and not Robert Johnson? Or any other artist?

If you consider all music to be an art form and art is not static and does not exist in a vacuum, that means all music conceived has drawn inspiration from some music somebody else created first. Some people (let's call them the canon) have had more influence than others (Hendrix, The Beatles, but also Bach, Beethoven, Brahms etc.), but does influencing somebody else make you good per se? I absolutely agree that in order to properly understand stuff, you need to know what it comes from, but also what it is, does, or tries to do. That said, from an artistic standpoint, I think it's very silly to say stuff like 'guitarists in the 70s were the best ever' or 'the best pop songs were made by the Beatles' or 'Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarist ever to grace the earth', so in that respect I also agree with a lot of what Kotowboy suggests.
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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2020, 08:12:20 AM »
Tommy sucks.
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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2020, 08:14:55 AM »
Tommy sucks.

This made me laugh :lol

Not because I agree or disagree (I don't think I've ever heard Tommy in full), but because it's so random.
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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2020, 08:16:00 AM »
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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #75 on: June 22, 2020, 08:20:36 AM »
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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #76 on: June 22, 2020, 08:58:02 AM »
okay, but if you're going to go down that way, you'll need to know where Hendrix got his information and musical upbringing (probably rock and roll and blues), and then go down the drain of the artists those RnR/Blues/RnB/whatever artists were inspired by. Where do we stop factoring in what came before and simply enjoy it for what it is? Why is Hendrix (in your example) the cut-off point and not Robert Johnson? Or any other artist?

If you consider all music to be an art form and art is not static and does not exist in a vacuum, that means all music conceived has drawn inspiration from some music somebody else created first. Some people (let's call them the canon) have had more influence than others (Hendrix, The Beatles, but also Bach, Beethoven, Brahms etc.), but does influencing somebody else make you good per se? I absolutely agree that in order to properly understand stuff, you need to know what it comes from, but also what it is, does, or tries to do. That said, from an artistic standpoint, I think it's very silly to say stuff like 'guitarists in the 70s were the best ever' or 'the best pop songs were made by the Beatles' or 'Jimi Hendrix was the best guitarist ever to grace the earth', so in that respect I also agree with a lot of what Kotowboy suggests.

There are no absolutes here, it's just information, and people can make of it what they want.  I do both, for example.  I will sometimes put on Harry Styles "Watermelon Sugar" on repeat, because the melody is just so damn catchy.  All I was saying is, it can be interesting.

One can go down the rabbit hole, but I think there are plateaus and jumps.  I think that while it's important to know that Johnson came before Hendrix and Zeppelin and Free, it's fun to watch how those three artists took the same raw materials and took it to another level, and some a different level.  I think it's fascinating to hear how Eddie Van Halen is heavily influenced by Eric Clapton; I can't find even a NOTE of Clapton in his playing.   It's like cooking; I think it's interesting to know what ingredients are being used, but Alex Guarnaschelli isn't a worse cook because she uses the same tomatoes, salt and pepper that I do. 

If one isn't interested in that history, that's fine.  No harm no foul.  The ONLY time it comes into play is when a current generation lauds someone for being "one of a kind" and they're not.

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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #77 on: June 22, 2020, 09:01:24 AM »
Isn't hard rock the most popular or most successful form of rock music?


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« Reply #78 on: June 22, 2020, 09:04:03 AM »
Tommy sucks.

Nope. Along with Who's Next and Quad it's a classic by The Who.


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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2020, 09:18:03 AM »
Isn't hard rock the most popular or most successful form of rock music?

This is even more hilarious than the 'Tommy sucks.' post above.
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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #80 on: June 22, 2020, 09:44:36 AM »
I am definitely on the "historical context" camp, I really can't help it. Leaving alone the obvious matter of influences, I'd point out that before it became possible to sample/model/reamp everything with a fingertip, rock music was (also) a progression of technological inventions/lucky accidents/experiments left to future musicians to play with and expand on. Plus, new sounds informed and inform new ears in an endless cycle (until we stop looking for new sounds, that is).

I find the idea of pitting musicians of different eras against each other in imaginary contests utterly pointless. As an analogy, Hamilton's pole positions, Senna's godlike driving in the rain at Donnington, Villeneuve and Arnoux trading paint for a whole lap: they're all part of the same chain of technology and proficiency tradition, yet uncomparable on absolute terms.

Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.
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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #81 on: June 22, 2020, 09:50:01 AM »
Tommy sucks.

Nope. Along with Who's Next and Quad it's a classic by The Who.

Yes, it is a classic. I still think it sucks, WildTroll. But does it objectively suck?
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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #82 on: June 22, 2020, 09:55:36 AM »
Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.

And then not even 'execution', but just what was put to tape and released. This is getting into a meta-discussion swiftly, but are we really hearing 'music' when we listen to recordings? Oftentimes the thing you hear - exactly as you hear it - has never been played that way. What is the music then? Is it what you hear, is it what the musicians perform when you hear them play it live, is it merely an idea in the composer's mind or is it something else entirely? 'Music' is ephemeral and only there at the exact moment it's played or heard. Yet what you hear on recordings has never really been played..

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« Reply #83 on: June 22, 2020, 10:07:43 AM »
Oh, what a wonderful face to face alcohol-fueled evening conversation this would be!

Anyway, I believe what you hear is always music, whether it comes from a recording, a live instrument, or inside your head.

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« Reply #84 on: June 22, 2020, 10:16:33 AM »
Oh, what a wonderful face to face alcohol-fueled evening conversation this would be!

I’d love to
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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #85 on: June 22, 2020, 10:47:42 AM »
Is good metal objectively Led Zeppelin?

Is Led Zeppelin objectively good metal?

Objectively, metal makes good zeppelins.


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« Reply #86 on: June 22, 2020, 11:35:41 AM »
Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.

And then not even 'execution', but just what was put to tape and released. This is getting into a meta-discussion swiftly, but are we really hearing 'music' when we listen to recordings? Oftentimes the thing you hear - exactly as you hear it - has never been played that way. What is the music then? Is it what you hear, is it what the musicians perform when you hear them play it live, is it merely an idea in the composer's mind or is it something else entirely? 'Music' is ephemeral and only there at the exact moment it's played or heard. Yet what you hear on recordings has never really been played..

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« Reply #87 on: June 22, 2020, 11:32:12 PM »
Just jumping in here to comment on Tommy. When I was in my 'classic rock is the only thing I listen to' phase, I listened to The Who as much as any group, and Tommy all the time. In my current 'I listen to classic rock occasionally' phase, I still listen to The Who as much as any band in any genre, yet never listen to Tommy. Disregarding its standing in history for a moment, it pales in comparison next to Pete's two landmark masterpieces, Who's Next and Quadrophenia.
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« Reply #88 on: June 23, 2020, 02:25:59 AM »
Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.

And then not even 'execution', but just what was put to tape and released. This is getting into a meta-discussion swiftly, but are we really hearing 'music' when we listen to recordings? Oftentimes the thing you hear - exactly as you hear it - has never been played that way. What is the music then? Is it what you hear, is it what the musicians perform when you hear them play it live, is it merely an idea in the composer's mind or is it something else entirely? 'Music' is ephemeral and only there at the exact moment it's played or heard. Yet what you hear on recordings has never really been played..

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« Reply #89 on: June 23, 2020, 07:34:57 AM »
Furthermore, when comparing musicians, too often only mere execution is under the scope; too bad a musician is such mainly because she/he's writing music.

And then not even 'execution', but just what was put to tape and released. This is getting into a meta-discussion swiftly, but are we really hearing 'music' when we listen to recordings? Oftentimes the thing you hear - exactly as you hear it - has never been played that way. What is the music then? Is it what you hear, is it what the musicians perform when you hear them play it live, is it merely an idea in the composer's mind or is it something else entirely? 'Music' is ephemeral and only there at the exact moment it's played or heard. Yet what you hear on recordings has never really been played..

:corn

DUDE!   That idea is right up my alley.  That's a fascinating idea. 

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Re: Your single favorite 'hard rock' album?
« Reply #90 on: June 23, 2020, 08:15:27 AM »
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« Reply #91 on: June 23, 2020, 08:30:26 AM »
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« Reply #92 on: June 23, 2020, 09:57:36 AM »
Tommy sucks.
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Didn't read whole thread but what really qualifies as hard rock? Is Quadrophenia hard rock? Or Sad Wings of Destiny?
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« Reply #93 on: June 23, 2020, 12:15:02 PM »
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« Reply #94 on: June 23, 2020, 07:25:08 PM »
Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman



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« Reply #95 on: June 24, 2020, 08:38:18 AM »
Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman

Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list.   I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me. 

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« Reply #96 on: June 24, 2020, 10:20:04 AM »
Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman

Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list.   I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.

Thank You  But Jailbreak could be the greatest CD made  : )
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« Reply #97 on: June 24, 2020, 10:29:26 AM »
I agree that Jailbreak’s a fun album :)
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« Reply #98 on: June 25, 2020, 01:47:15 AM »
Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman

Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list.   I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.

What's wrong with Jailbreak?


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« Reply #99 on: June 25, 2020, 07:11:10 AM »
Thin Lizzy kicks ass

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« Reply #100 on: June 25, 2020, 10:19:14 AM »
Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman

Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list.   I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.

What's wrong with Jailbreak?

It was recorded by Thin Lizzy.
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« Reply #101 on: June 25, 2020, 11:04:23 AM »
Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman

Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list.   I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.

What's wrong with Jailbreak?

I have a hard time getting past Phil Lynott's voice, and I'm still very confused as to where the jailbreak actually is going to take place.  That bothers me, because I want to be there when it happens. 

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« Reply #102 on: June 25, 2020, 12:36:31 PM »
Cheap Trick Heaven Tonight
Van Halen II
Led Zep II
Thin Lizzy Jailbreak
Aerosmith Rocks
Ozzy Diary of a Madman

Other than Jailbreak, that's a phenomenal list.   I like the Cheap Trick nod; they STILL don't get enough love if you ask me.

What's wrong with Jailbreak?

I have a hard time getting past Phil Lynott's voice, and I'm still very confused as to where the jailbreak actually is going to take place.  That bothers me, because I want to be there when it happens.

Hey now...that's my bugaboo!  "Somewhere in this town"?!  Why so vague, Phil?  Why would a jailbreak take place anywhere other than at the friggin' jail?!  How am I supposed to not "be around" if I don't have the specifics about the location?
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« Reply #103 on: June 25, 2020, 01:20:35 PM »
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« Reply #104 on: June 25, 2020, 02:06:39 PM »
Thin Lizzy kicks ass

I agree. They are a hard rock band that deserves wide appreciation.
I love their unique and distinctive style and vibe.