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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Songs from the Wood (1977)
« Reply #280 on: July 05, 2020, 04:24:24 PM »
Before we move on...

LIVE IN LONDON ’77 video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di4xztwcKvU&t=213s

The terrific Capital Centre 77 video from the old Capital Centre in Landover MD (found out a couple of months ago that my best friend attended this)        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QByXiqkECKQ&t=5726s

Manchester Apollo 77 audio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPpelfJLq8&t=3939s

Louisville 77 audio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1WF89nnhZQ&t=205s

Songs from the Wooden Gramophone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1WF89nnhZQ&t=205s

Back to the album for a second:  progish, yet very pop.  All of side one received plenty of air play back in the day.  As did the first two songs on side two.  Hell, any or all of the first seven songs could all find their way onto one’s ‘best of’ compilation.  Add in a couple of sexual encounter lyrics (Hunting Girl, Velvet Green...which steals at times from 'PigMe and the Whore' from 'Minstrel') that often found their way onto Tull releases.  Then the bombastic Pibroch (Cap In Hand) regarding a long lost love (or a spirit coming back home, or a stalker….it’s up to your interpretation), and it is the band at their best.  ‘Fire At Midnight’ is a perfectly titled finale of our trip through the woods, and yet, when it ends, it like there should be another song after.  Perhaps because it didn’t have a short instrumental end or fade out.  Along with the fact its one damn fine album, and you want more.

JULY 11th edit:  "Ring Out, Solstice Bells" / "March, the Mad Scientist" / "Christmas Song" / "Pan Dance" ...released in 1976.  The EP charted at #28 in the UK.  The main track has been on a holiday mix tape of mine for eons.


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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Songs from the Wood (1977)
« Reply #281 on: July 06, 2020, 04:56:34 PM »
Before we move on...

LIVE IN LONDON ’77 video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di4xztwcKvU&t=213s

The terrific Capital Centre 77 video from the old Capital Centre in Landover MD (found out a couple of months ago that my best friend attended this)        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QByXiqkECKQ&t=5726s

Manchester Apollo 77 audio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DPpelfJLq8&t=3939s

Louisville 77 audio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1WF89nnhZQ&t=205s

Songs from the Wooden Gramophone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1WF89nnhZQ&t=205s

Back to the album for a second:  progish, yet very pop.  All of side one received plenty of air play back in the day.  As did the first two songs on side two.  Hell, any or all of the first seven songs could all find their way onto one’s ‘best of’ compilation.  Add in a couple of sexual encounter lyrics (Hunting Girl, Velvet Green...which steals at times from 'PigMe and the Whore' from 'Minstrel') that often found their way onto Tull releases.  Then the bombastic Pibroch (Cap In Hand) regarding a long lost love (or a spirit coming back home, or a stalker….it’s up to your interpretation), and it is the band at their best.  ‘Fire At Midnight’ is a perfectly titled finale of our trip through the woods, and yet, when it ends, it like there should be another song after.  Perhaps because it didn’t have a short instrumental end or fade out.  Along with the fact its one damn fine album, and you want more.

Thanks for the live links, I enjoyed the 1976 performance you linked a while back.

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Minstrel in the Gallery (Edited version) 4:17
Cross-Eyed Mary 4:11
A New Day Yesterday 4:10
Bourée 3:46
Thick as a Brick (Edit #4) 3:27
War Child 4:37
A Passion Play (Edit #9) 3:33
To Cry You a Song 6:14
Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll: Too Young to Die 5:42
Glory Row 3:33

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Another "greatest hits thing" which, as far as I know, was an official release on Chrysalis Records, but which for reasons unknown is not acknowledged on the official Jethro Tull website.  It's like Ian Anderson disavows the existence of the early compilations (this and M.U.).  Maybe he doesn't like the line-art renderings of him posing with the flute.

Someone once asked Ian Anderson what the deal is, standing on one leg and playing the flute like that.  He said it goes back to when he played harmonica.  With both hands on the harmonica, he still needed a way to steady the microphone stand, so he'd wrap one leg around it to hold it in place.  Maybe he kept bumping it and knocking it over.  Anyway, he got so used to playing harmonica and wrapping his leg around the mic stand to steady it that when he switched to flute, it felt natural.  So that became his thing, standing on one leg and playing the flute.

Anyway, another batch of previously released, alternate versions, and one previously unreleased track, "Glory Row".  "Glory Row" is now included as a bonus track on CD versions of War Child.

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Ian Anderson is like some sort of tunesmith. It’s incredible the number of fully composed and recorded songs that never made it to original album releases.
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Didn't know the history behind his 'flamingo' stance until Orbert's post.

This LP was by far the worst selling up to this point, only reaching #94 on the Billboard charts (six weeks).  In a two year span, there were three studio LPs, and this second 'greatest hits' offering.  There were no tracks off of 'Songs From The Wood' (then again, it had only dropped off the charts a couple of months earlier).  There were no related single releases, I don't recall any airplay, or any friends owning it. 

It is a nice little offering, but 'too soon' comes to mind.

'Saturation' (originally an unreleased track from the 'War Child' sessions)  would have been a fitting addition, as Chrysalis was certainly over saturating the market at this time.....
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I've listened to Songs from the Wood maybe a dozen times in the past week. I'm embarrassed to say, How has this not been in my life before?! Seriously! I was sixteen when this came out. I would have thought at least one of my friends, someone at a party, anyone, would have created a buzz about it.

Anyway, thanks again for this discography, Orbert. I'm really enjoying it.
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I've listened to Songs from the Wood maybe a dozen times in the past week. I'm embarrassed to say, How has this not been in my life before?! Seriously! I was sixteen when this came out. I would have thought at least one of my friends, someone at a party, anyone, would have created a buzz about it.


So this in interesting Gregg. Were you aware of Jethro Tull at this point? Did you listen to them at all in early high school, or were they just a radio band for you?

And I'm going to value your "in real time" testimonies in The UFO Discog Thread. Your view of No Heavy Petting has always stuck with me.
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I've listened to Songs from the Wood maybe a dozen times in the past week. I'm embarrassed to say, How has this not been in my life before?! Seriously! I was sixteen when this came out. I would have thought at least one of my friends, someone at a party, anyone, would have created a buzz about it.


So this in interesting Gregg. Were you aware of Jethro Tull at this point? Did you listen to them at all in early high school, or were they just a radio band for you?


Oh, hell yeah I was aware of Jethro Tull. At this point in time I had Stand Up, Aqualung, and War Child in my record collection. I'd heard plenty of, but never bought, Thick as a Brick and Too Old... I knew of, but never heard Minstrel in the Gallery. I bought Heavy Horses and Stormwatch when they came out but somehow, I completely missed Songs from the Wood. As you will soon see, it's quite complementary of the next two albums, which I love.
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Ian Anderson is like some sort of tunesmith. It’s incredible the number of fully composed and recorded songs that never made it to original album releases.

I am super surprised at some of the bonus tracks on the Steven Wilson remixes, as they are listed as previously unreleased and are simply finished songs straight out of the 70's, released 40 years later. Old Aces Die Hard is a good fully produced 9 minute track.

Official youtube link to that one for those that didn't listed to the Steven Wilson package of Songs for the Wood:
Old Aces Die Hard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJs82y2gURw



(Edit: apparently Working John is an older song? Was reading the comments on yt. Ah, it is on A, have yet to listen to that one)

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It's known as a codpiece.

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Gee thanks.
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The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #292 on: July 08, 2020, 04:28:15 PM »
Heavy Horses (1978)



Ian Anderson - Vocals, Flute, Acoustic Guitar, Electric Guitar, Mandolin
Barriemore Barlow - Drums, Percussion
Martin Barre - Electric Guitar
John Evan - Piano, Organ
John Glascock - Bass, Backing Vocals
Dee Palmer - Piano, Portative Pipe Organ, Orchestral Arrangements

Darryl Way - Violin on "Acres Wild" and "Heavy Horses"

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...And the Mouse Police Never Sleeps 3:11
Acres Wild 3:22
No Lullaby 7:55
Moths 3:24
Journeyman 3:55
Rover 4:17
One Brown Mouse 3:21
Heavy Horses 8:58
Weathercock 4:02

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The second in the so-called "Folk Rock Trilogy" of albums, this one actually feels a bit more folksy than Songs from the Wood.  Still, as I mentioned in the writeup for Songs from the Wood, I don't hear a drastic change in the music, just a different mix of acoustic and electric instrumentation, this time leaning a bit more to the acoustic side.  Martin Barre's electric guitar doesn't make itself known until the third track, "No Lullaby", but as with "Pibroch (Cap in Hand)" from the previous album, it both opens and closes the track, and the track itself is an eight-minute mini-epic.  So once again, it's not like Jethro Tull has forsaken the prog; they've just changed the mix a bit.  The arrangements are often lush and complex, thanks to Dee Palmer's keyboards and orchestrations, giving the album an overall prog feel, even if the instrumentation leans more towards that found in folk music.  It still sounds very much like Jethro Tull to me.

Ian Anderson had by this time purchased a house out in the country, and the subject matter reflects that a bit.  The title track refers to the draft horses traditionally used to plow the fields and pull the carts.  We also have songs named "Acres Wild", "Moths", "Weathercock" and two with the word "Mouse" in the title.  As is often the case, Ian was just writing about what was on his mind, in this case his new farmhouse and reconnection with nature.  This perhaps is also why the album has such a folksy, acoustic sound to it.

In terms of production, the album sounds much like Songs from the Wood, and has a similar composition in terms of songs and song length.  Mostly shorter songs, but also a couple of mini-epics (the aforementioned "No Lullaby" and the title track at eight and nine minutes, respectively), although the shorter songs here are markedly shorter, with two around the four-minute mark and the rest shorter than that.  The result is interesting.  The songs have some complexity and often many layers to them, but with so many shorter songs and lighter instrumentation, the album feels a bit sparse overall.  When I get to the end, I sometimes think "Was that it?"  But at around 40 minutes, it's an average-length album for its time.  The 2003 CD version adds two songs, "Living in These Hard Times" (3:10) and "Broadford Bazaar" (3:38), and for reasons unknown, the version of "Rover" is different from the original LP.

Heavy Horses reached #19 on the Billboard Album Chart, and #20 in the U.K.

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Ian says:

"You have to remember, this was at the time punk's final embers were burning out and you had bands like The Police and The Stranglers, who were, collectively speaking, a bunch of old hippies. The brave new world of punk rock had perhaps become commercialised at that point. But bands like those two used punk as a means to get their foot in the door, just as I did with the blues in 1968.

"So from our perspective then, it wasn't that we were vindicated that this new, intrusive music form had somehow ousted us from the public eye and approval, it was just a parallel event. I don't really recall being moved as a music maker by any of those changes in music that were going on. I knew what it was about and I rather liked some of it, but it was entirely separate to what I was writing. I didn't want to try to catch up or be influenced by it. We were still making Jethro Tull albums at that point."

From Every Jethro Tull album in Ian Anderson's own words
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #293 on: July 08, 2020, 06:15:30 PM »
I know Joe has posted some live links, but without going through the thread, is there an official live album at this point?
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« Reply #294 on: July 08, 2020, 06:39:04 PM »
I know Joe has posted some live links, but without going through the thread, is there an official live album at this point?

The first official live album was Breaking Out, and that would be coming up next.
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #295 on: July 08, 2020, 06:46:58 PM »
I know Joe has posted some live links, but without going through the thread, is there an official live album at this point?

The first official live album was Breaking Out, and that would be coming up next.

Cool, thank you. I thought I might've missed it. Surprised it would take this many albums though to put out a live album, no?
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #296 on: July 08, 2020, 06:59:44 PM »
After really liking SFTW, I was told that I'd also really like Heavy Horses, except O posted another Best Of collection. I was really jonesing for some new JT!


OK, just listened to Heavy Horses.

I was getting concerned because the first three songs really didn't grab me. But as soon as Moths started, everything changed. That and Journeyman were really good, and again, these songs have a way of picking you up and holding you.

I now think Heavy Horses (the song) is the best thing I've heard so far. That song gave me goosebumps. It is spectacular. It really is. Now I'm a hard rock/metal guy, and I would love to hear that a bit heavier. I was thinking about which guitarists I would love to hear play this, and I went to the usual suspects... Michael Schenker, then Gary Moore. Robertson/Gorham . Even Murray/Smith.
Hell if in 1978, this song was on Long Live Rock And Roll, that would even be better.

Still its a GREAT song either way. But I immediately set out on looking for a hard rock cover album of Tull tunes, and came up empty.


It kind of ends with a dud with Weathercock (ok..WTF is a ….), but I pulled up the 2003 Remaster on Spotify, and after a forgettable Living In These Hard Times, this album would've been far better served if Broadford Bazaar closed the album. It felt like a natural.





I also want to address Ian Anderson. I pretty much like that Jethro Tull marches to their own drum, and has a really distinct style. Their voice (Anderson) is unique and definitive. He's a storyteller, and I like that style.

I'm a huge fan of Phil Mogg and Phil Lynott. But for some reason, I don't hear, or more importantly feel the vulnerability in his voice. There's almost a pompousity about it, that is...offputting is too strong of a word, but along those lines.
I gather that if one can really connect with Ian Anderson's voice, the world of Jethro Tull will really open up. I'm just not there with him yet.
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #297 on: July 08, 2020, 07:23:40 PM »
Hell yeah to Heavy Horses (the song).  That is probably my favorite Tull song.

I don't remember much else about this album, however, other than that it didn't make a dent with me way back when and I don't think I ever gave it a second listen.

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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #298 on: July 08, 2020, 10:25:52 PM »
A weathercock is a weather vane in the shape of a cock.  A male chicken, you perv.  The original meaning of the word.



Weathervanes are very common out in the country, so most farms have them.  And since they're farms, chickens are kinda popular.  Presumably at some point they just started calling them weathercocks.

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« Reply #299 on: July 08, 2020, 10:43:11 PM »
Yeah, the first time I've heard the song, I had to Google it. :lol
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #300 on: July 09, 2020, 05:25:44 AM »
A weathercock is a weather vane in the shape of a cock.  A male chicken, you perv.  The original meaning of the word.



Weathervanes are very common out in the country, so most farms have them.  And since they're farms, chickens are kinda popular.  Presumably at some point they just started calling them weathercocks.


I know what a weathervane is! I've just never actually heard them called a weathercock.


Presumably at some point they stopped calling them weathercocks. ;D
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« Reply #301 on: July 09, 2020, 07:45:32 AM »
Concert from their European Heavy Horses tour, May '78.  The ending is missing, but it's the best one I could find for now.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peEhz2AXOdM&t=2092s

My 'Minstrels in the Gallery' book (purchased by my wife) arrived a few weeks early.  From '97, it's a good read by a Tull fanzine writer (yet very candid). I've caught up to this era, and found a few things that are different from Wiki and the official bonus releases. 

EDIT:  Their eleventh studio album, the ninth to reach Gold or Platinum in the States.  Silver in the UK.

As I’ve been reading ‘Minstrels’, I realize part of the reason for the better sales and certifications over here:  many more concerts.  They would spend six months or so touring North America, go back home and play a handful of sold out shows in London, a few in Europe, take a short break, and then head back to the studio. 
Wash.  Rinse.  Repeat.

US Gold (certified by RIAA in Apr 1978), Norway 13 – Apr 1978 (7 weeks), Austria 18 – May 1978 (4 months), Billboard 19 – Apr 1978 (17 weeks), ODK Germany 19 – Jun 1978 (21 weeks), UK 20 – Apr 1978 (10 weeks), Sweden 27 – Apr 1978 (4 weeks), Holland free40 79 of 1978, UK Silver (certified by BPI in Sep 1978), RYM 46 of 1978

Single release: “Moths” b/w “Life Is A Long Song” (from 'Living in the Past'), did not chart.
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« Reply #302 on: July 09, 2020, 07:57:38 AM »
So glad to see the title track (my favourite Tull song) loved and praised.

A bit of silly overthinking: a couple of years earlier Ian felt too old to r'n'r but too young to"die", now he's reflecting on the old ways of field labour doomed to oblivion by technology's progress. Isn't this one of the rock titans speaking his mind about a couple of transformative and critical years for rock music, indirectly explaining the rationale behind his "folk turn" as a reaction, while many of his contemporaries were either folding or compromising with the current fads in order to stay relevant?

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It's known as a codpiece.

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« Reply #304 on: July 09, 2020, 09:26:55 AM »
On second thought... Bosk, close the forums!
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #305 on: July 09, 2020, 09:59:17 AM »
After really liking SFTW, I was told that I'd also really like Heavy Horses, except O posted another Best Of collection. I was really jonesing for some new JT!

I originally wasn't going to include all the compilations and greatest hits things, but someone had asked specifically if I was going to cover M.U. when it was up next chronologically.  I included it because it does have some different versions of things and unreleased tracks.  I ended up including Repeat mostly for the same reason, and a little bit because I find it interesting that Anderson seems to disregard these early compilations.

I gather that if one can really connect with Ian Anderson's voice, the world of Jethro Tull will really open up. I'm just not there with him yet.

Ian definitely has a unique voice, and to be honest, I like it but do tire of it after a while.  What I'm finding is that I'm drawn to the music and the arrangements, both of which I think are brilliant, and the voice becomes one of the instruments.  I'm pretty familiar with few Tull albums I've owned since the 70's, but with the newer ones, the lyrics aren't really sinking in.  That's my own fault.  But as I said, his voice mostly becomes just another instrument, until it gets to the chorus, which a lot of times is just him repeating the title of the song over and over.  I first noticed this with "Cross-Eyed Mary" where he says "Cross-Eyed Mary" over and over at the end.  With "Too Old to Rock 'n' Roll, Too Young to Die" it was the same thing.  He keeps repeating it, over and over ad nauseum.  I get it, Ian, it's a clever phrase, and was cool the first couple of times.  The next 20 or so times, not so much.  There are other examples that I can't think of off the top of my head right now, but "Heavy Horses" is the latest example.  Again, great music, and if I listened closely to the lyrics I'm sure they're very good, but mostly I listen to the music, then at some point Ian just starts singing "Heavy Horses, Heavy Horses" over and over.

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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #306 on: July 09, 2020, 10:08:17 AM »

I also want to address Ian Anderson. I pretty much like that Jethro Tull marches to their own drum, and has a really distinct style. Their voice (Anderson) is unique and definitive. He's a storyteller, and I like that style.

I'm a huge fan of Phil Mogg and Phil Lynott. But for some reason, I don't hear, or more importantly feel the vulnerability in his voice. There's almost a pompousity about it, that is...offputting is too strong of a word, but along those lines.
I gather that if one can really connect with Ian Anderson's voice, the world of Jethro Tull will really open up. I'm just not there with him yet.

This is pretty profound, if you ask me, and something I've sort of felt for years but haven't ever put into words.   I LOVE Tull, but for me, I've never really connected to him in the way I think you mean with Mogg and Lynott.    I can't speak as much to Lynott, but with Mogg, HE'S the guy in "Love To Love", or "Dreaming Of Summer".   With Anderson, I always get the sense that he's talking about someone else.  That's not to say it's not emotive, but there's a sort of... judgement or snark (I think that's what you're going for with "pomposity") that underlines everything, and I don't think that would be there if he was really talking about HIM and baring his soul.   

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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #307 on: July 09, 2020, 10:58:38 AM »
I didn’t think Tull would be able to top SFtW, but Heavy Horses at least equals it. In this album, we move from the dark urgency of the wilderness to bucolic pastures and farmlands, and you can feel it in the music. The driving intensity in SFtW is ratcheted down a notch, making HH a warmer, more  mellow experience.

I get what Tim and Stadler mean about the pomposity and snarkiness  in his delivery. I just take it as part and parcel of what Tull is all about. There is quite a bit of social commentary in the music and Ian’s attitude mirrors that. In these last two albums, you can hear him railing against rampant modernization in the sentimentality he shows for the simple pleasures of plowing a field of crops, hunting or sitting around a campfire. In that, he might be the most famous “tree hugger” in music.  I can see how the preachiness can rub the wrong way. Anyway, if you’ve ever seen Anderson in interviews, he does come off as rather pretentious.

For all of that, one can’t overlook his skills as a multi-instrumentalist. There’s a sense of adventure in his hunger to explore ancient instrumentation. And it seems that whatever he decides to pick up And try, he can be pretty good at. The joy on his face when you see him crashing the cymbals during a live performance of SFtW is contagious.
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #308 on: July 09, 2020, 11:08:15 AM »
So glad to see the title track (my favourite Tull song) loved and praised.

I love the title track, it's probably one of my favourite Tull songs ever (definitely in Top 3 or Top 5) but nothing tops Budapest in my book. Heavy Horses is amazing though and I love this little run of folk-inspired albums, even though there's plenty of prog rock on them.
This first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.

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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #309 on: July 09, 2020, 11:11:37 AM »

I also want to address Ian Anderson. I pretty much like that Jethro Tull marches to their own drum, and has a really distinct style. Their voice (Anderson) is unique and definitive. He's a storyteller, and I like that style.

I'm a huge fan of Phil Mogg and Phil Lynott. But for some reason, I don't hear, or more importantly feel the vulnerability in his voice. There's almost a pompousity about it, that is...offputting is too strong of a word, but along those lines.
I gather that if one can really connect with Ian Anderson's voice, the world of Jethro Tull will really open up. I'm just not there with him yet.

This is pretty profound, if you ask me, and something I've sort of felt for years but haven't ever put into words.   I LOVE Tull, but for me, I've never really connected to him in the way I think you mean with Mogg and Lynott.    I can't speak as much to Lynott, but with Mogg, HE'S the guy in "Love To Love", or "Dreaming Of Summer".   With Anderson, I always get the sense that he's talking about someone else.  That's not to say it's not emotive, but there's a sort of... judgement or snark (I think that's what you're going for with "pomposity") that underlines everything, and I don't think that would be there if he was really talking about HIM and baring his soul.   

In The Big Interview with Dan Rather (which is really the only in-depth interview with Ian Anderson I've ever seen), Ian talks a bit about acting and singing, and how they're kinda the same thing, to him anyway.  When he's singing, he puts himself mentally into the character of the person telling the story.  Even if the person is him, it's a version of him from 20 years ago or whenever he wrote the song, and he is no longer that person, but for the purpose of the song, he must "become" that person again, and sing from that viewpoint.  He's acting, playing the part of the person singing the song.

So if Ian doesn't come across convincing, or somehow pompous and detached from the words he's singing, it's because he's a great singer but not a great "actor".

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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #310 on: July 09, 2020, 12:03:37 PM »
Besides, how can it be prog if there isn't any pomposity and pretension?

Seriously though, there's a hint of pretension even in band name itself. Who names their band after a 17th century English agriculturist?

I need to check out that Dan Rather interview. It almost seems like Anderson's a frustrated actor, especially in light of the number of projects that became failed plays, movies and musicals. But he seems to make up for it with the immense amount of theatrics he injects in a Tull show. I love it.

@ Tim - if Anderson's pomposity is a roadblock for you, then I don't know HOW you can tolerate Bruce Dickinson  :lol
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #311 on: July 09, 2020, 01:10:25 PM »
Besides, how can it be prog if there isn't any pomposity and pretension?

Seriously though, there's a hint of pretension even in band name itself. Who names their band after a 17th century English agriculturist?

I need to check out that Dan Rather interview. It almost seems like Anderson's a frustrated actor, especially in light of the number of projects that became failed plays, movies and musicals. But he seems to make up for it with the immense amount of theatrics he injects in a Tull show. I love it.

@ Tim - if Anderson's pomposity is a roadblock for you, then I don't know HOW you can tolerate Bruce Dickinson  :lol

They're different though, and I'm not sure I'm going to be able to articulate this.   Right or wrong - and he's sometimes wrong, don't misunderstand me - Bruce is like a raw nerve at times.   He says some shit; I've heard him tell the press, the critics, the fans that don't like Maiden, security, preachers, and God to basically "fuck off" at one point or another, but there's an authenticity to it that is somehow lacking in Anderson.   Bruce is pompous, in the sense of "blow hard", but it comes off like street thug, and there's no doubt that he'd be first into the scrum if it came to that.    It's different with Ian Anderson.  There's a... distance, a coldness to it. 

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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #312 on: July 09, 2020, 01:29:47 PM »
After really liking SFTW, I was told that I'd also really like Heavy Horses, except O posted another Best Of collection. I was really jonesing for some new JT!


OK, just listened to Heavy Horses.

I was getting concerned because the first three songs really didn't grab me. But as soon as Moths started, everything changed. That and Journeyman were really good, and again, these songs have a way of picking you up and holding you.

I now think Heavy Horses (the song) is the best thing I've heard so far. That song gave me goosebumps. It is spectacular. It really is. Now I'm a hard rock/metal guy, and I would love to hear that a bit heavier. I was thinking about which guitarists I would love to hear play this, and I went to the usual suspects... Michael Schenker, then Gary Moore. Robertson/Gorham . Even Murray/Smith.
Hell if in 1978, this song was on Long Live Rock And Roll, that would even be better.


Still its a GREAT song either way. But I immediately set out on looking for a hard rock cover album of Tull tunes, and came up empty.


It kind of ends with a dud with Weathercock (ok..WTF is a ….), but I pulled up the 2003 Remaster on Spotify, and after a forgettable Living In These Hard Times, this album would've been far better served if Broadford Bazaar closed the album. It felt like a natural.





I also want to address Ian Anderson. I pretty much like that Jethro Tull marches to their own drum, and has a really distinct style. Their voice (Anderson) is unique and definitive. He's a storyteller, and I like that style.

I'm a huge fan of Phil Mogg and Phil Lynott. But for some reason, I don't hear, or more importantly feel the vulnerability in his voice. There's almost a pompousity about it, that is...offputting is too strong of a word, but along those lines.
I gather that if one can really connect with Ian Anderson's voice, the world of Jethro Tull will really open up. I'm just not there with him yet.
This song will get a fair amount of live play, and it'll be heavier then. Personally, I never much cared for studio Tull, but loved live Tull. Perhaps the added oomph is why. Never thought about it. Something else that occurs to me is that a lot of their live output (I'm thinking DVDs rather than CDs) features Doane Perry on drums, and that probably adds some heaviness, as well.
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #313 on: July 09, 2020, 01:30:58 PM »
Besides, how can it be prog if there isn't any pomposity and pretension?

Seriously though, there's a hint of pretension even in band name itself. Who names their band after a 17th century English agriculturist?

I need to check out that Dan Rather interview. It almost seems like Anderson's a frustrated actor, especially in light of the number of projects that became failed plays, movies and musicals. But he seems to make up for it with the immense amount of theatrics he injects in a Tull show. I love it.

@ Tim - if Anderson's pomposity is a roadblock for you, then I don't know HOW you can tolerate Bruce Dickinson  :lol

They're different though, and I'm not sure I'm going to be able to articulate this.   Right or wrong - and he's sometimes wrong, don't misunderstand me - Bruce is like a raw nerve at times.   He says some shit; I've heard him tell the press, the critics, the fans that don't like Maiden, security, preachers, and God to basically "fuck off" at one point or another, but there's an authenticity to it that is somehow lacking in Anderson.   Bruce is pompous, in the sense of "blow hard", but it comes off like street thug, and there's no doubt that he'd be first into the scrum if it came to that.    It's different with Ian Anderson.  There's a... distance, a coldness to it.

Actually, you articulated that pretty well. By that description, I can picture Ian Anderson as that intimidating and unapproachable college professor who you kind of hated, while Bruce Dickinson is the rabble rouser who could get anyone to join in on a healthy street rumble.

But I'm glad you used the phrase 'right or wrong'.  I remember attending a Maiden concert at Jones Beach Theater at a series of shows that were sponsored by companies like Tommy Hilfiger. Before the show barely even started, he started a rant on 'trendy, fashion' companies like Tommy Hilfiger. At the time, I was thinking, "Well, you wouldn't even have the benefit of performing at this venue if it weren't for corporate sponsors like Tommy Hilfiger."
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Re: The Jethro Tull Discography: Heavy Horses (1978)
« Reply #314 on: July 09, 2020, 01:40:01 PM »
I get what Tim and Stadler mean about the pomposity and snarkiness  in his delivery. I just take it as part and parcel of what Tull is all about. There is quite a bit of social commentary in the music and Ian’s attitude mirrors that. In these last two albums, you can hear him railing against rampant modernization in the sentimentality he shows for the simple pleasures of plowing a field of crops, hunting or sitting around a campfire. In that, he might be the most famous “tree hugger” in music.  I can see how the preachiness can rub the wrong way. Anyway, if you’ve ever seen Anderson in interviews, he does come off as rather pretentious.
This is pretty well put. It is what he and Tull are about, and sometimes it works great. He really conveys some strong contempt all over Aqualung, for example, and it works very well. His digust at being "groomed for success" certainly sticks out in my head. I think he does occasionally take it too far, though. Plenty of instances live he just seems to be hamming it up when it's not necessary. Perhaps that's more a result of his voice tanking; I'm not sure.

I'd say he comes off as more than pretentious, though. I mentioned early in the thread about not liking him personally, and because of that and his pretentiousness I probably let his over-dramatic delivery get to me more than it should. I quote your post in particular as it reminded me that there actually was a purpose to it rather than just Ian being Ian.
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