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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #980 on: June 27, 2020, 04:48:33 PM »
Politicians have devolved to simply be contrarian to each other - no matter the topic, no matter the desired outcome.  And it's bled into society as a whole (for the most part).

I have no faith in humanity.

I agree, humanity is at a low point right now as far as how we treat each other as strangers and the political divide is massive.  That's one of the reasons I left the Republican party years ago.  I just couldn't stand it any more.  They talked about rights and liberty, but as far as I could tell, it was all lip service.  So I left and paved my own way.

I do have faith in individuals though.  Such as you and the rest of the folks on this forum.  A bunch of really great people as far as I can tell.
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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #981 on: June 27, 2020, 06:05:56 PM »
Politicians have devolved to simply be contrarian to each other - no matter the topic, no matter the desired outcome.  And it's bled into society as a whole (for the most part).

I have no faith in humanity.

I agree, humanity is at a low point right now as far as how we treat each other as strangers and the political divide is massive.  That's one of the reasons I left the Republican party years ago.  I just couldn't stand it any more.  They talked about rights and liberty, but as far as I could tell, it was all lip service.  So I left and paved my own way.

I do have faith in individuals though.  Such as you and the rest of the folks on this forum.  A bunch of really great people as far as I can tell.

Stick around much longer, and you'll learn the truth!
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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #982 on: June 28, 2020, 02:27:20 PM »
Politicians have devolved to simply be contrarian to each other - no matter the topic, no matter the desired outcome.  And it's bled into society as a whole (for the most part).

I have no faith in humanity.

I agree, humanity is at a low point right now as far as how we treat each other as strangers and the political divide is massive.  That's one of the reasons I left the Republican party years ago.  I just couldn't stand it any more.  They talked about rights and liberty, but as far as I could tell, it was all lip service.  So I left and paved my own way.

I do have faith in individuals though.  Such as you and the rest of the folks on this forum.  A bunch of really great people as far as I can tell.

Stick around much longer, and you'll learn the truth!

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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #983 on: June 29, 2020, 12:21:29 PM »
Politicians have devolved to simply be contrarian to each other - no matter the topic, no matter the desired outcome.  And it's bled into society as a whole (for the most part).

I have no faith in humanity.

To me it's our largest problem, and getting rid of Trump isn't going to solve it even a little bit.   

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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #984 on: June 29, 2020, 03:27:06 PM »
Politicians have devolved to simply be contrarian to each other - no matter the topic, no matter the desired outcome.  And it's bled into society as a whole (for the most part).

I have no faith in humanity.

To me it's our largest problem, and getting rid of Trump isn't going to solve it even a little bit.   

Likely due to how politics has devolved over time as well. Black and white, us vs. them, we’re right and you’re wrong, forget gray area and nuance. Years ago, I watched an episode of Politically Incorrect where Bill Maher said he’d never want to be a politician. You can’t switch positions and say that you learned something, lest you be labeled as a waffler, flip-flopper, DINO/RINO, etc. and commit political suicide. And that seems to be getting more true as time goes on.

But I guess the question is did the contrarian politicians breed the divisive social climate, or did the divisive social climate breed the contrarian politicians? Maybe a little of both?

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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #985 on: June 29, 2020, 03:30:34 PM »
Over the weekend, I watched a documentary on Netflix called Tricky Dick and the Man in Black, about when Nixon invited Johnny Cash to the White House.

As they describe the historical context, how things were going in the country at the time, I realized that hardly any damn thing has changed in all this time. 

BTW, the documentary is good, watch it.
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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #986 on: June 30, 2020, 08:57:46 AM »
Politicians have devolved to simply be contrarian to each other - no matter the topic, no matter the desired outcome.  And it's bled into society as a whole (for the most part).

I have no faith in humanity.

To me it's our largest problem, and getting rid of Trump isn't going to solve it even a little bit.   

Likely due to how politics has devolved over time as well. Black and white, us vs. them, we’re right and you’re wrong, forget gray area and nuance. Years ago, I watched an episode of Politically Incorrect where Bill Maher said he’d never want to be a politician. You can’t switch positions and say that you learned something, lest you be labeled as a waffler, flip-flopper, DINO/RINO, etc. and commit political suicide. And that seems to be getting more true as time goes on.

But I guess the question is did the contrarian politicians breed the divisive social climate, or did the divisive social climate breed the contrarian politicians? Maybe a little of both?

My opinion only, but I think it's a synergistic effect, each amplifying the other.   A politician gets some traction from an "us-versus-them" platform - some of Bush's responses to the burgeoning terror threat fall here - and people start to adhere to that.   The more they adhere, the more the less popular politicians will pander to that mindset.  Then the cycle repeats.  Certainly as attention-spans decrease, and we rely more and more on media and the politicians themselves rather than our own knowledge and analysis, the more things like "deplorable" resonate.   

We're also a rather insecure population (there are too many examples to cite, many I've already cited here).  It seems more and more of us have a greater need to be "right" than to find consensus, and in many cases, "being right" means "destroying", "annihilating", crushing", or "owning" those that disagree with us.  The more extreme (ideologically) the politician, the more these feelings are engendered (and while the brain goes immediately to Trump, it's not exclusive to him).  At a certain point, even the moderates get lumped in as the lines get more solidly drawn.   

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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #987 on: June 30, 2020, 07:17:30 PM »

My opinion only, but I think it's a synergistic effect, each amplifying the other.   A politician gets some traction from an "us-versus-them" platform - some of Bush's responses to the burgeoning terror threat fall here - and people start to adhere to that.   

That's an interesting thought. "You're either with us, or against us".
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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #988 on: July 01, 2020, 05:00:47 AM »
Bill, I hadn’t thought of it in those terms, and I think you’re spot on. It’s a viscous cycle that simply exacerbates itself.

Nice post.
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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #989 on: July 01, 2020, 11:05:39 AM »
I've felt like this for a while. Nobody wants to reach over that line, have the hard conversations and make the world better.

It's easier not to engage.
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Re: The Politics Of The Coronavirus
« Reply #990 on: July 01, 2020, 11:12:12 AM »
I've felt like this for a while. Nobody wants to reach over that line, have the hard conversations and make the world better.

It's easier not to engage.

Yep.  I think the Right is right on some things and I think the Left is right on some things.  It would be better for politicians to vote for liberty and good sense rather than the party line.
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