2020 NFL Thread v. Tom Brady aging better than Mila Kunis

[King Postwhore]

Flutie?

[Stadler]

Doug Flutie

QB 1:  Warren Moon (Kansas City Chiefs, 1999; his final year was 2000 also with the Chiefs)
QB 2:  Doug Flutie (New England Patriots, 2005; his final year) 
QB 3:  Vinnie Testaverde (New England Patriots, 2006; his final year was 2007 with the Carolina Panthers)
QB 4:

The "One Other Guy":  Steve DeBerg (Atlanta Falcons, 1998)

Flutie drop-kicked an extra point attempt (successfully) in that last season, the first time since 1940-somthing that that had been done. 

Hints for the last guy:  achieved as much (if not more) notoriety for his kicking game.

[hunnus2000]

Doug Flutie

QB 1:  Warren Moon (Kansas City Chiefs, 1999; his final year was 2000 also with the Chiefs)
QB 2:  Doug Flutie (New England Patriots, 2005; his final year) 
QB 3:  Vinnie Testaverde (New England Patriots, 2006; his final year was 2007 with the Carolina Panthers)
QB 4:

The "One Other Guy":  Steve DeBerg (Atlanta Falcons, 1998)

Flutie drop-kicked an extra point attempt (successfully) in that last season, the first time since 1940-somthing that that had been done. 

Hints for the last guy:  achieved as much (if not more) notoriety for his kicking game.

I can't remember the name but he played for the Raiders and was an American Indian?

[King Postwhore]

Danny White.

[hunnus2000]

Doug Flutie

QB 1:  Warren Moon (Kansas City Chiefs, 1999; his final year was 2000 also with the Chiefs)
QB 2:  Doug Flutie (New England Patriots, 2005; his final year) 
QB 3:  Vinnie Testaverde (New England Patriots, 2006; his final year was 2007 with the Carolina Panthers)
QB 4:

The "One Other Guy":  Steve DeBerg (Atlanta Falcons, 1998)

Flutie drop-kicked an extra point attempt (successfully) in that last season, the first time since 1940-somthing that that had been done. 

Hints for the last guy:  achieved as much (if not more) notoriety for his kicking game.

I can't remember the name but he played for the Raiders and was an American Indian?

OK - I was thinking Jim Plunkett but you're prolly talking about George Blanda.

[Stadler]

George Blanda

QB 1:  Warren Moon (Kansas City Chiefs, 1999; his final year was 2000 also with the Chiefs)
QB 2:  Doug Flutie (New England Patriots, 2005; his final year)
QB 3:  Vinnie Testaverde (New England Patriots, 2006; his final year was 2007 with the Carolina Panthers)
QB 4:  George Blanda (Oakland Raiders, 1970; his final year was 1975 with the Oakland Raiders at age 48).

The "One Other Guy":  Steve DeBerg (Atlanta Falcons, 1998)

The "affiliation" with Brady was that Brady grew up in San Mateo, and while he was a 49ers/Montana fan, the Oakland Raiders were the other local team, just across the bay from San Fran. 

[pg1067]

My guesses were (before reading the subsequent posts in this thread)

George Blanda
Vinnie Testaverde
Vince Evans
Steve DeBerg

I've since looked it up, and I got three of the top five oldest quarterbacks in NFL history (Vince Evans is somewhere in the top 20, but not in the top 10).  And I see what you're doing with DeBerg, who, while playing at age 44, didn't play while he was 43.

I'm not sure any of the top four are "household names" (unless you're only looking at households that are home to football fans over the age of 40-45).  Honorable mention needs to go to the NFL's second-oldest QB of all time, John Nesser, who, at the age of 45 in 1921, played for the Columbus Panhandles (yes, it was an NFL team, although it was before the NFL was called the NFL, and, when he was 43, it wasn't even the APFA yet).

[pg1067]

Danny White.

He was only 36 when he last played in 1988.

[El Barto]

Flutie and Moon were the two I had. I kind of assumed Favre qualified, but whiffed on that one. Vinnie and Blanda never would have occurred to me, and I'd pretty much forgotten that DeBerg ever even existed.

[King Postwhore]

Danny White.

He was only 36 when he last played in 1988.

My memory is fuzzy. Lol

[Stadler]

I may have let my geography play in; Flutie and Testaverde are very much household names here, because of Boston College and the Jets, respectively.   For me, growing up a fan of the Raiders - Madden, Stabler, Biletnikoff, etc. - Blanda was also well known. 

[pg1067]

I may have let my geography play in; Flutie and Testaverde are very much household names here, because of Boston College and the Jets, respectively.   For me, growing up a fan of the Raiders - Madden, Stabler, Biletnikoff, etc. - Blanda was also well known.

Again, you have to be clear about which households you're surveying.  My wife and I established a rule a long time ago:  an athlete isn't "famous" unless she's heard of him, and an actor/actress isn't "famous" unless I've heard of him/her.  Without asking her, the only person mentioned in the last several posts that she for sure knows (besides Brady) is Flutie.

While Blanda was before my time, I had a book when I was a kid that had short bios of probably 15-20 NFL greats, so I learned a bit about guys like Blanda, Sammy Baugh, Bronco Nagurski, etc.

[Stadler]

I may have let my geography play in; Flutie and Testaverde are very much household names here, because of Boston College and the Jets, respectively.   For me, growing up a fan of the Raiders - Madden, Stabler, Biletnikoff, etc. - Blanda was also well known.

Again, you have to be clear about which households you're surveying.  My wife and I established a rule a long time ago:  an athlete isn't "famous" unless she's heard of him, and an actor/actress isn't "famous" unless I've heard of him/her.  Without asking her, the only person mentioned in the last several posts that she for sure knows (besides Brady) is Flutie.

While Blanda was before my time, I had a book when I was a kid that had short bios of probably 15-20 NFL greats, so I learned a bit about guys like Blanda, Sammy Baugh, Bronco Nagurski, etc.

That's fair.  I'm not arguing with you.   (And we have a similar game, especially when watching "celebrity" versions of TV shows.  It's a running gag that I don't see any difference between the regular version and the celebrity version.)

If it matters I did the same check:  Warren Moon, Doug Flutie:  Yes.   Vinnie Testaverde:  Name sounds familiar.   George Blanda, Steve DeBerg:  Who?   

[TAC]

For me, growing up a fan of the Raiders - Madden, Stabler, Biletnikoff, etc. -

Me too! Dave Casper was my favorite player.

[hunnus2000]

For me, growing up a fan of the Raiders - Madden, Stabler, Biletnikoff, etc. -

Me too! Dave Casper was my favorite player.

Many years ago, Playboy had an article on the Raiders back in the day. Those guys were crazy ass motherfuckers man! I think it was Biletnikoff who got so nervous before a game that he chained smoked up until he was introduced by the announcer. Then there's the story of a defensive lineman (It may have been Lyle Alzado but don't hold me to that) who broke his leg during a game but kept playing. Years later the leg had to be amputated because it never healed correctly and he basically said, 'go ahead and take it off, I got another'. The article was full of those stories and somehow I lost that issue.

That era of the Raiders were freaking crazy!

[TAC]

I have Ken Stabler's autobiography Snake, and it's more of a hardcover version of the Penthouse Forum than it is a book about football.

[Stadler]

I loved that about those guys.  You know full well that a third of that team had liquor on their breath when they took the field on any given Sunday.   And yet they won. "Just win, baby."    Not sustainable, of course, and impossible to do today, but fun for what it was.   

When I worked up in Erie, Biletnikoff was sort of a local idol.  His old high school's field is named after him and has a big sign.  I think I worked with his nephew, too.   

[Cool Chris]

http://komonews.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-cut-rookie-caught-trying-to-sneak-woman-into-team-hotel

Epic.

[Dream Team]

Yeah what a moron. I know self-control is a dirty word these days, but my goodness. Nice job of sabotaging your career.

[El Barto]

http://komonews.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-cut-rookie-caught-trying-to-sneak-woman-into-team-hotel

Epic.

I'd say you've got to be at least a 3rd rounder to get away with that. This kid was a UFA, FFS.

[hefdaddy42]

Anyone else catch the first episode of Hard Knocks?  This year they are doing Los Angeles, so both teams.  It's pretty interesting seeing everything they are doing in the wake of the coronavirus.

[CrimsonSunrise]

Yeah, being a Rams fan I'm watching.  I'm soaking up all the camp live streams also.  Hey, who knows how much if any actual football we get this year so we better soak it up. 

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah, being a Rams fan I'm watching.  I'm soaking up all the camp live streams also.  Hey, who knows how much if any actual football we get this year so we better soak it up. 

Exactly 

[Cool Chris]

Boy, Dan Snyder is probably happier than anyone that these MLB/NBA protests happened today. More disparaging news about his alleged creepiness got bumped off the front page.

And if you were planning on a full "normal" NFL season, you can forget about it. Settle in for more protests, forfeits, cancelled games... Settle in, this crazy sports year is far from over.

[hunnus2000]

How is it that little Danny Snyder still owns a pro football team? 

[Stadler]

With the understanding (I hope) that I'm being a little facetious...

All the drama with baseball, ignored.  I don't watch until the playoffs, and honestly, lately, not until the World Series.  I just have no interest.   All the drama with basketball, ignored.  I don't watch pro hoops at all, not even if there's nothing else on.  BO-ring, and the "protests" register exactly 0 on the "care meter" (in fact I think they're counterproductive).  Hockey... well, I'm always interested in playoff hockey, but the round-robin thing is a little confusing, so I'm waffling, at least until the end if there's a team I like.

But all my eggs are in the NFL basket.  I even (usually) watch the preseason games, and will watch at least a game a day on Mon, Thurs, and Sun.   But I just... I'm struggling to get interested.  I want to watch FOOTBALL, not have every game be a civics or medical drama.   I wonder how this is going to play out, and I wonder how this is going to impact the actual game on the field?   

[cramx3]

With the understanding (I hope) that I'm being a little facetious...

All the drama with baseball, ignored.  I don't watch until the playoffs, and honestly, lately, not until the World Series.  I just have no interest.   All the drama with basketball, ignored.  I don't watch pro hoops at all, not even if there's nothing else on.  BO-ring, and the "protests" register exactly 0 on the "care meter" (in fact I think they're counterproductive).  Hockey... well, I'm always interested in playoff hockey, but the round-robin thing is a little confusing, so I'm waffling, at least until the end if there's a team I like.

But all my eggs are in the NFL basket.  I even (usually) watch the preseason games, and will watch at least a game a day on Mon, Thurs, and Sun.   But I just... I'm struggling to get interested.  I want to watch FOOTBALL, not have every game be a civics or medical drama.   I wonder how this is going to play out, and I wonder how this is going to impact the actual game on the field?

I'm not that different.  Football is my favorite sport and it's really the only sport where I will watch other games not relating to my team.  There's a huge part of me that really wants this season to play on as if normal (minus the crowds) and I am looking forward to it, but there is the other part of me, the covid depressed part of me, that just feel like I don't even care if this season happens or not.  That may also just relate to the fact that my team is destined to be garbage again this year  but I do think my general feelings at this time of not really being excited about anything coming up in the future play a role as well.

[black_biff_stadler]

If two players wanted to fuck with NFL statisticians, it'd be funny if they both held on to the football while crossing the goal line. If the NFL has some obscure rule to break the tie over whom is credited with the TD like the guy who had the ball first gets credit then it'd be funny if they thought ahead and somehow succeeded in having the QB lob the ball to them in some completely unlikely play where both are open in the corner of the endzone and they both catch it simultaneously.

Also, I just realized how despite the Dolphins' win over the Bears in 1985 to end their perfect season bid was generally exciting, the actual scoring plays, themselves, were surprisingly bland. Of the 62 points scored in that game, 34 occurred on field goals or 1-yard TD runs.

[TAC]

I want to watch FOOTBALL, not have every game be a civics or medical drama. 

This is not your year then.

[Stadler]

I want to watch FOOTBALL, not have every game be a civics or medical drama. 

This is not your year then.

You have no idea. 

[black_biff_stadler]

I'm here for it. Too many non-POC people get to use sports as an escape from their reality which isn't remotely as stressful as the average POC's reality is. The fact that the majority of the NFL and NBA are people representing those demographics makes it 100% fine imo for them to use their platform as they see fit. Most of the "Life is tough, suck it up, kid.", "Play the hand your dealt.", etc. people will defend the abhorrent business practices of corporate America because "Anyone can make it if they work hard." and act like there's no problem with corporations using leverage to unfair extents yet all of that defense of leverage being an earned thing goes out the window once it's POC turning the tables.

[Stadler]

I'm here for it. Too many non-POC people get to use sports as an escape from their reality which isn't remotely as stressful as the average POC's reality is. The fact that the majority of the NFL and NBA are people representing those demographics makes it 100% fine imo for them to use their platform as they see fit. Most of the "Life is tough, suck it up, kid.", "Play the hand your dealt.", etc. people will defend the abhorrent business practices of corporate America because "Anyone can make it if they work hard." and act like there's no problem with corporations using leverage to unfair extents yet all of that defense of leverage being an earned thing goes out the window once it's POC turning the tables.

I'm sympathetic to the cause up to a point.  It's statements like that that demark the line for me.  Notwithstanding the "walk a mile in my shoes" concept, the whole underlying premise of tolerance is to understand that for all of us there is struggle of various forms and fashions.   To try to put objective measure on things like that, things that have no real standard of measure, doesn't help the process of understanding.   

As for the rest, well, agree to disagree; that's one way of looking at it, but it just sounds a lot like finger pointing to me.

[TheCountOfNYC]

I'm here for it. Too many non-POC people get to use sports as an escape from their reality which isn't remotely as stressful as the average POC's reality is. The fact that the majority of the NFL and NBA are people representing those demographics makes it 100% fine imo for them to use their platform as they see fit. Most of the "Life is tough, suck it up, kid.", "Play the hand your dealt.", etc. people will defend the abhorrent business practices of corporate America because "Anyone can make it if they work hard." and act like there's no problem with corporations using leverage to unfair extents yet all of that defense of leverage being an earned thing goes out the window once it's POC turning the tables.

This. All of this.

[black_biff_stadler]

I'm here for it. Too many non-POC people get to use sports as an escape from their reality which isn't remotely as stressful as the average POC's reality is. The fact that the majority of the NFL and NBA are people representing those demographics makes it 100% fine imo for them to use their platform as they see fit. Most of the "Life is tough, suck it up, kid.", "Play the hand your dealt.", etc. people will defend the abhorrent business practices of corporate America because "Anyone can make it if they work hard." and act like there's no problem with corporations using leverage to unfair extents yet all of that defense of leverage being an earned thing goes out the window once it's POC turning the tables.

I'm sympathetic to the cause up to a point.  It's statements like that that demark the line for me.  Notwithstanding the "walk a mile in my shoes" concept, the whole underlying premise of tolerance is to understand that for all of us there is struggle of various forms and fashions.   To try to put objective measure on things like that, things that have no real standard of measure, doesn't help the process of understanding.   

As for the rest, well, agree to disagree; that's one way of looking at it, but it just sounds a lot like finger pointing to me.

POC have to fear for their lives EVERY day of their life. It's not even just behind the wheel anymore. They can't even hide in their houses from it since that woman was killed while playing PS4, being shot at numerous times, and don't even get me started on Breonna Taylor. This stuff is happening to POC at an appallingly disproportionate clip compared to non-POCs. There's your "real standard of measure". Ignore it if you wish to.

[Cool Chris]

There is a bit of a two-way street here that is not being fully acknowledged in the press. We are being told the players have no obligation to perform for the consumer if they feel more inclined to protest. The other side of that coin is that the consumer is under no obligation to patronize a business should they decide not to. If the NFL (or NBA, or Ike's Smokeshop down the street) wants to place a focus on social justice, or turn their product in to a 'civics or medical drama', they can't condemn or denounce those who might choose to seek out their entertainment elsewhere. Both have to be acceptable, or neither is acceptable.