2020 NFL Thread v. Tom Brady aging better than Mila Kunis

[King Postwhore]

You have to capitalize on their mistake and Tampa did.

[El Barto]

It continues to be amazing how much luck Brady has had in addition to his own talent and effort. The Bucs scored 0 touchdowns on the 8 drives that began in their own territory, but got gifted 4 turnovers and 3 short fields. Feel bad for Saints fans and Brees, he didn't deserve to go out like this.

How is that luck for Brady?  Everyone has their job, and he does his as well as anyone to ever play the game.   It's not luck that he didn't turn the ball over, and it's not luck that he took advantage of the turnovers his teammates got on defense.  Great players make everyone around them better, on both sides of the ball.

To reduce 9 Super Bowl appearances in 20 years to "luck" is just... insulting.  I'm not sure at that point what he would have to do to get recognized as the greatest of all time as opposed to "lucky".

I would never reduce his career to luck. He's the GOAT. I would say he's had more than his fair of good fortune this year, though, including last night. And while that normally applies to everybody, what is the number one focus of all of the coverage going to be now? Tom Brady. And in this case Tom Brady vs Aaron Rodgers. The story from last night should be an opportunistic D and Brees's inability to play. It won't, though.

[dparrott]

I knew the Rams weren't good enough.    Go Bills and Pack I guess.

[pg1067]

I knew the Rams weren't good enough.    Go Bills and Pack I guess.

I want whoever comes out of the AFC to win the Super Bowl, but I'd MUCH prefer the Bills.

[hunnus2000]

I don't know why, but I am just not impressed with Tampa as I am with Green Bay. And if P-Diddy Mahomes is hurt then I think Buffalo can take KC. My sentimental pick to win it all is Buffalo. They've got great fans.

[CrimsonSunrise]

I don't know why, but I am just not impressed with Tampa as I am with Green Bay. And if P-Diddy Mahomes is hurt then I think Buffalo can take KC. My sentimental pick to win it all is Buffalo. They've got great fans.

Hard not to root for the Bills!  I think GB is the top team ATM, especially if Mahomes doesn't clear the protocol.

Rankings..

1. GB
2. KC - with Mahomes
3. Bills
4. Bucs

[hunnus2000]

I don't know why, but I am just not impressed with Tampa as I am with Green Bay. And if P-Diddy Mahomes is hurt then I think Buffalo can take KC. My sentimental pick to win it all is Buffalo. They've got great fans.

Hard not to root for the Bills!  I think GB is the top team ATM, especially if Mahomes doesn't clear the protocol.

Rankings..

1. GB
2. KC - with Mahomes
3. Bills
4. Bucs

Is Mahomes really in protocol? He technically didn't concuss (correct me if I wrong). Also, don't you think the league would make an exception for the sake of ratings?

[splent]

You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.

[hunnus2000]

You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.

Oh I agree with that but he didn't have a violent head collision. They're saying he lost oxygen - choked out? Don't get me wrong, it was disturbing to watch but was he really concussed because it could affect his ability to go on Sunday?

[Stadler]

You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.

Oh I agree with that but he didn't have a violent head collision. They're saying he lost oxygen - choked out? Don't get me wrong, it was disturbing to watch but was he really concussed because it could affect his ability to go on Sunday?

I don't know about the "choked out", but there are something like six different kinds of concussions that all trigger the protocol, and not all need a direct blow to the head.  That was one of the revelations from the last couple years of research. 

Although I initially thought it was an ankle - he injured his foot/toe/ankle earlier in the game - it was pretty clear he didn't know whether he was receiving the Rodgers rate or the Patrick rate at that moment in time.   Concussions heal, but unlike a rib injury (Hi, Drew!) you can't really rush the return anymore.  There have been guys that cleared protocol in hours (like, 24, 48), days, weeks, or even (Dale Earnhardt, Jr.) months.  I don't at all expect him to be "weeks, or even months", but I wouldn't GUARANTEE Sunday.  It's likely, but not guaranteed.

And while I'm as prone to conspiracy thinking as anyone else, I think the idea that somehow the league gets to override the protocol is magical thinking.

[El Barto]

You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.

He clearly looked like a man that got his bell rung. I just didn't see any sort of violent collision with his noggin. Whereas a blow to the brachial nexus will have the same effect. No brain trauma, but you'll certainly be staggering and stumbling about for a few minutes. He was collared pretty good when he came down, which is why I assumed that's what actually happened. I was honestly surprised when they ruled him out.


edit: And while I was typing that the folks at CBS were typing the same thing.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tweaked-nerve-put-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-in-concussion-protocol-entering-afc-championship-game-per-report/

[Dublagent66]

I don't know why, but I am just not impressed with Tampa as I am with Green Bay. And if P-Diddy Mahomes is hurt then I think Buffalo can take KC. My sentimental pick to win it all is Buffalo. They've got great fans.

Hard not to root for the Bills!  I think GB is the top team ATM, especially if Mahomes doesn't clear the protocol.

Rankings..

1. GB
2. KC - with Mahomes
3. Bills
4. Bucs

Is Mahomes really in protocol? He technically didn't concuss (correct me if I wrong). Also, don't you think the league would make an exception for the sake of ratings?

Yes, he is in protocol.  Oh, you mean put the highest paid player in the league in harms way to get better ratings?  Are you kidding? 

You honesty don’t think he was concussed? When he got up he didn’t know what way was up.

Oh I agree with that but he didn't have a violent head collision. They're saying he lost oxygen - choked out? Don't get me wrong, it was disturbing to watch but was he really concussed because it could affect his ability to go on Sunday?

He received a helmet to the back of his helmet.  Of course he was concussed.  He also got the wind knocked out of him.  He most likely will not play Sunday.

[El Barto]

He received a helmet to the back of his helmet. Of course he was concussed.  He also got the wind knocked out of him.  He most likely will not play Sunday.

No he didn't. Wilson's helmet barely grazed his, and his head was cradled so it didn't hit the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mrsM9y8OTA

[hunnus2000]

Yeah - Mahomes did not get his head knocked around. From what I have learned, if a player gets up woozy from a play, they automatically get put in concussion protocol which is crazy because he did not take a blow to the head.

That's why I mentioned that the league would make an exception for the highest paid and most popular player in the league.

[El Barto]

And now, suddenly, I'm not so sure. I definitely don't see any specific hard impact, but watching it in slo-mo he very clearly postures, which does suggest brain trauma. I didn't catch that until a Dr on youtube pointed it out, but it's plain as day. His left leg is stiff as a board for a second after he goes down, and that spells concussion. Maybe there was enough deceleration during the tackle for his brain to bounce off the front of his skull even without contact.

Also, I don't know if the posturing rules out the neck stinger theory. The brain might react the same way to a knockout blow as it does a traditional concussion. That's beyond my pay grade.

[Dublagent66]

He received a helmet to the back of his helmet. Of course he was concussed.  He also got the wind knocked out of him.  He most likely will not play Sunday.

No he didn't. Wilson's helmet barely grazed his, and his head was cradled so it didn't hit the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mrsM9y8OTA

Ok, you're right about the back of the helmet, but watch the video more closely.  His face mask comes down on top of the ball.  That's what caused the concussion.

[El Barto]

He received a helmet to the back of his helmet. Of course he was concussed.  He also got the wind knocked out of him.  He most likely will not play Sunday.

No he didn't. Wilson's helmet barely grazed his, and his head was cradled so it didn't hit the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mrsM9y8OTA

Ok, you're right about the back of the helmet, but watch the video more closely.  His face mask comes down on top of the ball.  That's what caused the concussion.

Maybe. Thought it seems like the ball would have absorbed a lot of the energy, though. His people are saying neck stinger, and I still think that's a good possibility. At this point I really don't know.

[lordxizor]

I think there's a 90% chance he clears the concussion protocol before Sunday, whether he should or not.

[King Postwhore]

I think there's a 90% chance he clears the concussion protocol before Sunday, whether he should or not.

Why would you think that?

[Stadler]

And bear in mind, it's the playoffs.  You have to balance the psyche of the team versus the psychological warfare with the Bills (you want the Bills scheming for Henne (because it's easier for the Bills to scheme for Mahomes and adjust to Henne rather than the other way around), so all information is suspect.

[black_biff_stadler]

If the Bills are dumb enough to scheme for Henne they need to just forfeit the game and go play golf and knock back Stroh's on Sunday.

[King Puppies and the Acid Guppies]

If the Bills are dumb enough to scheme for Henne they need to just forfeit the game and go play golf and knock back Stroh's on Sunday.

Ewww, Stroh's. Quite possibly the worst beer in the world.

[black_biff_stadler]

Sir, this commercial seems to say otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gOxgZCOI1c

[El Barto]

My grandfather drank Schlitz. My best friend's dad growing up drank Schaefer. My old man was a Bud drinker. His friends were all Coors light. Miller light was ubiquitous. When I was a young teenager my older teenaged friends would always score us Carling Black label because of the slightly higher ABV. When my brother scored cheep beer it was the Bull for its even slightly higher ABV. In my early 20s MGD was all the rage. Nowadays a good friend is still quite fond of Miller High Life. Hell, I drink Mexican beer. Throughout my life I've been exposed to dozens of cheap beers by dozens of people. The one thing every one of them was certain about was that Stroh's is fucking piss. 

[Stadler]

HAHAHA, that's a memory parade right there!  Surprisingly, it was a very similar breakdown up here in the Northeast.
 
My dad and grandfather and the uncles rotated between the same three: Shlitz, Schaeffer ("the one beer to have when you're having more than one!") and Black Label, though more the latter two.

I drank Miller High Life or Miller Lite when in high school and college and I had the choice; there was a lot of Budweiser drank as a way of compromise.  Though you could get a case of Shaeffer bar bottles for like $8, at the campus liquor store, which was a good price then.

Right now I'll choose between Guiness, Miller High Life and Blue Moon.

Never Stroh's.   

[King Puppies and the Acid Guppies]

My grandfather drank Schlitz. My best friend's dad growing up drank Schaefer. My old man was a Bud drinker. His friends were all Coors light. Miller light was ubiquitous. When I was a young teenager my older teenaged friends would always score us Carling Black label because of the slightly higher ABV. When my brother scored cheep beer it was the Bull for its even slightly higher ABV. In my early 20s MGD was all the rage. Nowadays a good friend is still quite fond of Miller High Life. Hell, I drink Mexican beer. Throughout my life I've been exposed to dozens of cheap beers by dozens of people. The one thing every one of them was certain about was that Stroh's is fucking piss. 

There's the more elegant explanation I was looking for 

Hammer meet nail.

[TAC]

We put down a lot of Keystone in college. And Busch. Both fucking nasty. But never Stroh's.

[lordxizor]

I think there's a 90% chance he clears the concussion protocol before Sunday, whether he should or not.

Why would you think that?

Because the team (and Mahomes) will prioritize winning over his long term health (unless he's still really woozy in a few days). And the league will be happy with the increased ratings and won't ask questions.

[King Postwhore]

He isn't cleared by team officials though. Those involved are separate from the team so the team has no say. 

[CrimsonSunrise]

We put down a lot of Keystone in college. And Busch. Both fucking nasty. But never Stroh's.

In my early Navy days I was already on the import bandwagon....  Lowenbrau 

[pg1067]

My grandfather drank Schlitz. My best friend's dad growing up drank Schaefer. My old man was a Bud drinker. His friends were all Coors light. Miller light was ubiquitous. When I was a young teenager my older teenaged friends would always score us Carling Black label because of the slightly higher ABV. When my brother scored cheep beer it was the Bull for its even slightly higher ABV. In my early 20s MGD was all the rage. Nowadays a good friend is still quite fond of Miller High Life. Hell, I drink Mexican beer. Throughout my life I've been exposed to dozens of cheap beers by dozens of people. The one thing every one of them was certain about was that Stroh's is fucking piss. 

LOL!

Back in the day, MGD was my beer of choice, but I was known to knock back a Schaefer or two.  Hell...I think we once tore through a 12-pack of "Beer" (the plain wrap stuff from the grocery store).

[King Postwhore]

I was a Michelob teen and every once in a while I'd be stupid and get a 6 pack of Haffenreffer, the Green Death.

[dparrott]

OMG that Stroh's commercial is like the most generic beer commercial ever.  I remember the dog Alex from those commercials.

[CrimsonSunrise]

every once in a while I'd be stupid and get a 6 pack of Haffenreffer, the Green Death.

I would have guessed the "Green Death" title would go to Mickeys Big Mouth!

[pg1067]

every once in a while I'd be stupid and get a 6 pack of Haffenreffer, the Green Death.

I would have guessed the "Green Death" title would go to Mickeys Big Mouth!

LOL!