2020 NFL Thread v. Tom Brady aging better than Mila Kunis

[TheCountOfNYC]

And the Browns are playoff bound!

[romdrums]

And the Browns are playoff bound!

Fucking sweet!!!

[emtee]

Congrats to the Browns.

And Brady. What is left to say. Superhuman.

[KevShmev]

Since Kamara is not eligible to play until next Sunday now, get ready for the crying if the NFL schedules the Saints playoff game for next Saturday.  I can already hear the collective sobbing coming from down south.

Christ, I don't even care about the Saints and I'd probably shed a tear for them if that happened.    Talk about a string of misfortune and bullshit.

If I were one of the people who thought the NFL was the WWE, secretly fixing games to provide the highest ratings, I'd say they cut NOLA some slack. I think Brees desperately wants to win a ring so he can retire on top, and that's a story the NFL would kill for. I'm not one of those, though, and I think the schedule falls as it may. Maybe they catch a break and maybe they don't.

Misfortune, for sure, but I think a lot of Saints fans think the NFL is out to get them and that is when I tune out and just laugh.

That said, I do hope they play next Sunday so Kamara gets to play in their playoff game.  I'd rather see all of the best teams have as many of their stars playing and healthy as possible for the playoffs.

Bears just took the lead over GB early.  IIRC, if the Packers lose and Saints and Seahawks both win, I think the Saints get the 1 seed still, so that is still in play.

[Cool Chris]

Great call by Chris Myers on that Brady-Brown pass. "A lot of room to run, but Tom doesn't do that."

Lamar Jackson has back-to-back seasons with 1,000 rushing yards. Dan Marino career rushing yards: 87.

Eagles win, the 6-10 Giants win the NFC East!

[KevShmev]

In classic Browns fashion, they made their fans nervous by nearly blowing a 15-point lead to a Steelers team playing a bunch of backups and their crappy ass 2nd string QB, but hey, they won and are in the playoffs.  Kudos to them.

I told some friends earlier that I wish the sportsbook across the river up here was open so I could go put some money on the Ravens at +700 to win the AFC. They are hot at the right time, and history is loaded with sports teams who lost early in the playoffs after having a great regular season and then followed it up the next season by making a deep playoff run when expectations were not as high.  The Ravens have that look right now.

[Stadler]

I thought Chicago would be giving the Pack more of a game.  It's on in the background, but I haven't really watched it, so I don't know what's what, but the handful of plays I've seen, it's not really close.

Talk is already starting on Cam not returning, and the odds of either Jimmy G. or Prince Harry, I mean, Carson Wentz, going to New England.  You'll recall when Tom announced he was migrating south that I said Jimmy G. would be back.

[KevShmev]

Considering the Hoodie gave the 49ers Jimmy G for what most considered under market value, you have to wonder if Kyle Shanahan would return the favor and ship him back to New England for not all that much.  Could be worth it to get that contract off the books, which leads to the big question of, would Belichick want to take on a QB with that big of a contract?  He might be better off drafting one and having the 1st team QB not counting a ton towards the cap for the next few years rather than taking on that big contract for a QB who cannot stay healthy and who hasn't lived up to the hype.

[Stadler]

He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England.   Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did).   I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB. 

Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way). 

[splent]

I thought Chicago would be giving the Pack more of a game.  It's on in the background, but I haven't really watched it, so I don't know what's what, but the handful of plays I've seen, it's not really close.

Talk is already starting on Cam not returning, and the odds of either Jimmy G. or Prince Harry, I mean, Carson Wentz, going to New England.  You'll recall when Tom announced he was migrating south that I said Jimmy G. would be back.

Bears got it close in the 3rd quarter. Packers D kind of fell asleep for a quarter. But they got it back and deservedly won. GO PACK GO!

[TheCountOfNYC]

Derrick Henry might have just stolen the MVP away from all of the quarterbacks.

[T-ski]

How many people were in an eliminator league and were out week one because Jacksonville won their only game against the Colts?

 

[KevShmev]

He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England.   Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did).   I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB. 

Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way).

Well, no one is going to be the next Tom Brady, but while Jimmy's value to the 49ers is obvious (look at their record the last years with him vs without him), he simply has not evolved into one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL like many thought he would.  And that is with working under Kyle Shanahan who inherited his dad's knack for coaching up quarterbacks, so we may have seen Jimmy G's best already.

[TAC]

I think injuries have played a big part in that.

[TheCountOfNYC]

It’s only fitting that the game that will decide the NFC East is sloppy.

[KevShmev]

Collinsworth was at his most annoying tonight. He wouldn't shut up about the stupid Giants.  Heads up, dumb ass, the Giants had all season to control their own destiny.  If you have to rely on help in week 17, it's your damn fault.  It's a bad look for sure, but I have zero sympathy for the Giants.

[dparrott]

Seahawks host the Rams in 1st round!  Ohhhh boy!

[cramx3]

Collinsworth was at his most annoying tonight. He wouldn't shut up about the stupid Giants.  Heads up, dumb ass, the Giants had all season to control their own destiny.  If you have to rely on help in week 17, it's your damn fault.  It's a bad look for sure, but I have zero sympathy for the Giants.

It was Al Michaels too, it almost seemed like Al was showing that he was a Giants fan or something.  I'm guessing both were just more annoyed to be calling the last game of the season in which a team was clearly tanking when it was actually a close score.  Kind of a bad look for the NFL for flexing that game IMO, but that was one epic troll by the Eagles.  I hope it bites them in the ass next season by losing the team or something.  Giants had no business in the playoffs so it's not that big of a deal though.

[Stadler]

I didn't watch the game, but now I wish I did.   I'm all for a coach/team playing the game they want to play.  If the Chiefs want to sit their stars and wait to the playoffs, it's their choice.   Evans got hurt and Arians took shit for it (though I agree with Arians; Brady is all about reps and timing with his receivers, and nothing beats game conditions to refine that; I think the risk is always there, and you play your odds).   Having said that, there's something about Pederson that smacks of "I don't know what the fuck I'm doing".   I get playing other players, but you've already started a quarterback quagmire with Wentz, who, despite being a guy that wouldn't say shit if he had a mouthful, is now reportedly going to request a trade.   Why rock the franchise by turning the reigns over to Hurts then remove HIM?  Did you get more data from watching Seinfeld play than you did rock the kid's spirit by putting him into an unstable situation going into the off-season?   

I'm a Giants fan, so I wanted to see them get in, but my head picked Washington (and I had a perfect week) so I'm not really concerned with the "L" so much as I am that another NFC East team looks like a headless chicken running around the yard (Dallas is the other one).   If Judge can maintain the support of his team, and Jones can remain healthy, watch out for the Giants in the next couple years.   Add to that Ron Rivera, who has REALLY impressed me; I don't think I realized how much of the Panthers success was his, through bailing wire and duct tape (speaking of "Belichick/Brady", it's way lesser in the grand scheme of things, but who do you think won the "Rivera/Newton" conversation?).   The NFC could be legit again pretty quick. 

[KevShmev]

I thought Al Michaels got dragged into the nonsense last night since Collinsworth wouldn't shut up about it.

NFC games all look like shit next week, as TB over Wash and NO over Chicago should be no-brainers.  And not that Goff is that good, but he's certainly better than their backup, and with his status in doubt, that Rams/Seahawks game could be a snoozer as well.  All three AFC games look great, though.  I could almost see any of the seven AFC teams getting hot and making a deep playoff run, while in the NFC, only four of the teams have a realistic shot at making the SB (GB, NO, Seattle and TB).

[T-ski]

Aaron Rodgers TD passes this season = 48
JK Scott (Packers punter) punts this season = 46

[bosk1]

Eh, if the Saints and Packers win, and Russell Wilson suffers a career-ending injury, next week will be a win as far as I'm concerned.

[TheCountOfNYC]

Eh, if the Saints and Packers win, and Russell Wilson suffers a career-ending injury, next week will be a win as far as I'm concerned.

Man I get hating your team’s most successful rival (I root for an AFC East team that isn’t the Patriots after all), but Russell Wilson has been nothing but classy his entire career and he doesn’t deserve that.

[El Barto]

He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England.   Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did).   I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB. 

Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way).

I'm not sure the future NE quarterback is out or, or at least within their reach right now. I think they're onto something with a mobile QB that can stretch the field. Their running game, along with that o-line was great. The problem was that they were the most 1 dimensional team in the NFL right now because Cam simply can't throw anymore. The only QB in the draft that woudl fit the bill suddenly vaulted up the number 2 pick overall. You can bring in Jimmy G, or Stafford, and they can throw, but you lose a lot of what was their biggest strength right now. I suppose balance is better than one-dimensional, but somebody like DeShaun Watson back there would make them a very scary team.

[hunnus2000]

Speaking of Cam, it's amazing how quickly his star has fallen. I mean - WOW!!

[Stadler]

He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England.   Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did).   I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB. 

Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way).

I'm not sure the future NE quarterback is out or, or at least within their reach right now. I think they're onto something with a mobile QB that can stretch the field. Their running game, along with that o-line was great. The problem was that they were the most 1 dimensional team in the NFL right now because Cam simply can't throw anymore. The only QB in the draft that woudl fit the bill suddenly vaulted up the number 2 pick overall. You can bring in Jimmy G, or Stafford, and they can throw, but you lose a lot of what was their biggest strength right now. I suppose balance is better than one-dimensional, but somebody like DeShaun Watson back there would make them a very scary team.

If they were able to get DeShaun Watson, I'd be in heaven.  I'm a big fan of his.  I don't know if they are willing to pay up like I feel they'd have to, though.

[hefdaddy42]

DeShaun Watson is great.  Any team would be lucky to have him.

[El Barto]

He hasn't lived up to the hype in terms of being the next Tom Brady for someone else, but I think he fits nicely in the scheme in New England.   Both Belichick and Newton said they 'wanted more time together' (I think Bill was being kind), but most of New England's trouble is that they require discipline, a discipline that Newton does not now and never did have (I recall Bill Cowher saying something to this effect several years ago, that Cam would never be elite, because he doesn't know what he has to do to improve, and doesn't know how to do it even if he did).   I would take either Jim or Carson, frankly, and let Bill work on the rest of the pieces, knowing he didn't have a project at QB. 

Both guys are young enough (28 for Wentz, 29 for Jimmy) that they would be able to take their time and groom a second QB in a way they weren't able/willing to do with Brady (though I'm of the opinion that Brady fucked the Patriots in that way).

I'm not sure the future NE quarterback is out or, or at least within their reach right now. I think they're onto something with a mobile QB that can stretch the field. Their running game, along with that o-line was great. The problem was that they were the most 1 dimensional team in the NFL right now because Cam simply can't throw anymore. The only QB in the draft that woudl fit the bill suddenly vaulted up the number 2 pick overall. You can bring in Jimmy G, or Stafford, and they can throw, but you lose a lot of what was their biggest strength right now. I suppose balance is better than one-dimensional, but somebody like DeShaun Watson back there would make them a very scary team.

If they were able to get DeShaun Watson, I'd be in heaven.  I'm a big fan of his.  I don't know if they are willing to pay up like I feel they'd have to, though.

Houston would never let him go. I was just throwing him out there as the sort of guy that they need, but won't be able to find. That said, Bill does tend to find useful people late in the draft, so there's certainly the possibility that some guy we've never heard of comes in and does what they need. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jacoby Brisset back in the fold.

[hunnus2000]

Can New England afford DeShaun? I thought they would be in salary cap hell for years to come.

[cramx3]

I'd gladly take Watson on my team over Daniel Jones.  I don't think Jones is a winner.  He just doesn't have "it" IMO.

[El Barto]

Can New England afford DeShaun? I thought they would be in salary cap hell for years to come.

After this year NE should be in pretty good cap position. That's not the point, though. Watson is never going to happen. He's married to Houston for the foreseeable future.

[bosk1]

I'd gladly take Watson on my team over Daniel Jones.  I don't think Jones is a winner.  He just doesn't have "it" IMO.

I don't disagree overall.  But something to consider:  Before Brady took over as a starter, nobody thought he had "it" either. 

[cramx3]

I'd gladly take Watson on my team over Daniel Jones.  I don't think Jones is a winner.  He just doesn't have "it" IMO.

I don't disagree overall.  But something to consider:  Before Brady took over as a starter, nobody thought he had "it" either.

Sure, but DJ has close to 2 full seasons played now.  There was a point this season where I thought he was starting to turn the corner only to just relapse and with their OL significantly improving, seeing him not improve as well kind of signals he may have hit his ceiling.  Hard to tell with new coaches and a covid year so all this plays a role, but if I'm the Giants, I would be keeping my eyes open for the next QB sooner than later.  Their best win was also with Colt McCoy at QB.  If DJ could just stop turning the ball over, he wouldn't need to have "it" and the defense/run game could win games, but that strategy falls flat if you keep giving the opposing team the ball.  The team has a solid defense and improved their worst part (OL) significantly this year. A stud WR and a capable QB would make the Giants pretty good IMO.  Also, if I never watched him play and just looked at his stats, I'd say he SUCKS, but I've watched enough to say he's not that bad, he just hasn't shown any signs of being good either.

[KevShmev]

My predictions are never right , but what the hell?

1st round:
NO over Chicago
Seattle over LA Rams
TB over Washington
Buffalo over Indy
Pittsburgh over Cleveland
Baltimore over Tennessee

2nd round:
TB over GB
NO over Seattle
Baltimore over KC
Buffalo over Pittsburgh

Conference Finals
NO over TB
Baltimore over Buffalo

Super Bowl:
NO over Baltimore, with Drew Brees retiring this offseason as a champion.

[bosk1]

Yeah, I'll play!  (although my picks look very similar)

1st round:
Saints over Bears
Seahawks over Rams
Bucs over Redskins

Bills over Colts
Steelers over Browns
Ravens over Titans


2nd round:
Bucs over Packers
Saints over Seahawks

Chiefs over Ravens
Bills over Steelers


Conference Finals
Saints over Bucs
Bills over Chiefs


Super Bowl:
Saints over Bills