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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5355 on: September 17, 2020, 02:02:02 PM »
Got some uplifting news today. The company reinstated our merit increases AND will be giving us a bonus!

Nice little pat on the back for the six months of hell we have endured at this hospital. I'm grateful.

Our VP sent out an email a few weeks back about how they appreciated all the work we've been doing, how we've hung in there, especially given how crazy things are.  And they want to show their appreciation by sending a little Thank-You gift to each and every one of us.  Sure, sounds good.

It arrived the other day.  A gift pack of different types of popcorn, and a $20 Netflix gift card.  Movie night at home.  The popcorn is "raw"; you have to actually pop it.  It came with some kind of device you put in a microwave to pop the corn.  There are like four different varieties.

Okay sure, it's better than nothing, but only marginally.  I don't eat popcorn and my wife can't eat it.  We could spend a few hours trying to agree on a movie to watch, but with $20 to spend, I'm thinking we'll each pick one, just to use it up.  Like I said, better than nothing, and apparently a lot of thought went into this, but really?  We're a multi-billion-dollar company, and we get $20 each to watch something on TV?

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« Reply #5356 on: September 17, 2020, 03:33:26 PM »
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« Reply #5357 on: September 17, 2020, 03:49:30 PM »
I'm an ungrateful bastard, I admit.  Like I said, I can tell that they put some thought into this.  If we're all stuck at home anyway, then one way to make it more enjoyable would be to have a good movie to watch or something.  That probably led to the "movie night" concept, and home-popped popcorn in different flavors seemed like a cool idea.

At this point, however, we're somewhat "over" the lockdown.  My wife and I hop in the car and just go driving sometimes.  Cop a buzz, listen to tunes, road trip, like when we were younger.  We do go shopping as necessary (properly masked and observing reasonable safety protocols).  So maybe in the first month or two, when people were all scared shitless and literally not leaving the house at all, it would've made sense.  Where I live, however, we've already adopted the "new normal".  Stores are busy.  Restaurants are busy.  Even movie theaters are open.

The free movies, I'll take.  And it's not their fault that the popcorn is basically wasted, but you take a chance whenever you try to pick something that "everybody likes" because there's always something that some people don't like.  I don't dislike popcorn; it's just not in my nature to sit and munch on stuff for no reason.  I don't feel the need to eat or drink while watching a movie.  Even if I have munchies, empty calories are the bane of mankind.  And my wife is on a strict diet prescribed by her doctor.  So again, nice thought, but ultimately a failure.  I don't know what I was expecting, but when you say you're gonna do something nice, and the result is a bit underwhelming, you almost feel like maybe you shouldn't have said or done anything.

Fuck.  I'm an ungrateful bastard.  I should just take it and shut up.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5358 on: September 17, 2020, 04:54:51 PM »
Shit, at my work all they do is cut staff but keep the workload static. The moment we get used to it they cut another body or two.

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« Reply #5359 on: September 17, 2020, 05:03:04 PM »
Shit, at my work all they do is cut staff but keep the workload static. The moment we get used to it they cut another body or two.

Isn't that the strategy of pretty much every public company?

We got a 5% pay decrease.  10% for Managers; 15% for VPs.  Our stock has recovered to pre-COVID levels, so our Execs are all doing just fine.  Our CEO did instil a bonus that kept people flat for our Q4 (last Apr-June), but he held firm on keeping the paycut in place until next June.

We're also a multi-billion dollar company.

Thanks Obama.
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« Reply #5360 on: September 17, 2020, 05:04:18 PM »
I think they were trying to stay "stay at home with this gift" and while I agree, Orbert, it's kind of an empty gesture when the corporation is so big, but I guess it's better than nothing.  My team is the ONLY team in my company who comes to work and has been throughout the pandemic.  We don't even get acknowledged.  I don't really expect anything, I get my pay check and I do my part.  If I got a gift card and popcorn, I'd kind of feel the same way in that it doesn't seem like much, but it's still better than nothing.  I think if the CEO just gave us some props during one of our monthly company meetings would be more than enough acknowledgement of our work during these times.... but today's latest work update was that they are identifying who to cut in October  >:( (it won't be me, so I'm not worried)

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« Reply #5361 on: September 18, 2020, 07:05:15 AM »
I'm an ungrateful bastard, I admit.  Like I said, I can tell that they put some thought into this.  If we're all stuck at home anyway, then one way to make it more enjoyable would be to have a good movie to watch or something.  That probably led to the "movie night" concept, and home-popped popcorn in different flavors seemed like a cool idea.

At this point, however, we're somewhat "over" the lockdown.  My wife and I hop in the car and just go driving sometimes.  Cop a buzz, listen to tunes, road trip, like when we were younger.  We do go shopping as necessary (properly masked and observing reasonable safety protocols).  So maybe in the first month or two, when people were all scared shitless and literally not leaving the house at all, it would've made sense.  Where I live, however, we've already adopted the "new normal".  Stores are busy.  Restaurants are busy.  Even movie theaters are open.

The free movies, I'll take.  And it's not their fault that the popcorn is basically wasted, but you take a chance whenever you try to pick something that "everybody likes" because there's always something that some people don't like.  I don't dislike popcorn; it's just not in my nature to sit and munch on stuff for no reason.  I don't feel the need to eat or drink while watching a movie.  Even if I have munchies, empty calories are the bane of mankind.  And my wife is on a strict diet prescribed by her doctor.  So again, nice thought, but ultimately a failure.  I don't know what I was expecting, but when you say you're gonna do something nice, and the result is a bit underwhelming, you almost feel like maybe you shouldn't have said or done anything.

Fuck.  I'm an ungrateful bastard.  I should just take it and shut up.

That statement alone makes you an outlier in America.   :) :) :)


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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5362 on: September 18, 2020, 08:08:09 AM »
Yeah.  Americans are fat pigs.  Eat a gigantic thing of popcorn while you watch a movie, or several bowls of chips or pretzels while you watch the game.  Hell, even eating dinner in front of the TV is basically the same thing.  Your eyes are occupied, your brain may or may not be, but either way, might as well shove food in your mouth while you do it.  I can't do that.  I've struggled with obesity, laziness, and eventually heart disease, and I've finally gotten my brain away from sitting on my ass and stuffing my face, the new Great American Pastime.  But your point is taken.  Most Americans have no problem with that.

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« Reply #5363 on: September 18, 2020, 08:10:20 AM »
Well, but there isn't anything wrong with eating a gigantic thing of popcorn while watching a movie or wings during the game. There is something wrong with eating a whole lot and not working it off. THAT is the problem. The American diet itself is hot garbage, sure, but combined with a sedentary lifestyle/loads of jobs that just involve sitting, that's how you end up with the disaster that is the collective American health.
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« Reply #5364 on: September 18, 2020, 08:15:19 AM »
I can't complain.   My company has taken cuts at the C-Suite level (officers of the main company).  In June of this year, the company honored all bonuses, on the logic that most of the work that "earned" the bonus was completed before COVID hit.   Word on the street is that there won't be bonuses in June of next year, and raises have been frozen.   

I can't complain.  I know too many people (including a couple close friends) who were furloughed or let go outright.   I am close enough to the operations of a company in COVID times that I'm a lot more forgiving.  The idea that a company is a "multi-billion dollar company" only matters when you consider the risk involved.  Everything is in scale for these entities.   For example, some of my customers have seen decreases in utilization of OVER 95%.  With that kind of drop in revenue, they're not rushing to pay us what we're owed.  When you're paying rent on multiple facilities that are 500,000 sq. ft. or better, and there is ZERO production going on, the costs are staggering.   For companies that have contracts that they can't deliver on, and are subject to delay claims, liquidated damages, or potential breach, no dollars in the world are going to mitigate that.   We have force majeure ("acts of God") clauses in many of our contracts but this is uncharted territory.   

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5365 on: September 18, 2020, 08:47:15 AM »
I don't throw the multi-$B term around as a means of saying the company shouldn't take measures to maintain its health.  Hell, the airlines, hotels, and cruise lines are multi-$B companies. 

But when our CEO flaunts how well we've weathered the conditions, cash-flow is fantastic, mgmt controlled expenses are way down... yada yada, it certainly feels (especially the MCE) is coming straight out of the pockets of the employee base.

And throwing a 'benefit' at every employee that has a value of $20 can easily be seen as meaningless on micro level.  For all the travel and facilities expenses that virtually all companies are saving, I can see how it might irk the average Joe.  Or Bob.
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« Reply #5366 on: September 19, 2020, 02:36:47 AM »
This Fucker is coming back in the UK (and a lot of Europe).  After lowering the figures through lockdown and generally keeping those numbers down for several weeks after lockdown ended, as soon as the kids have gone back to school the numbers are on the rise again.   New restrictions have been put in place, can't socialise in groups larger than 6 and local lockdowns on areas showing rapid growth. 

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« Reply #5367 on: September 19, 2020, 04:44:25 AM »
Shit it picking up here in Ontario as well.  Yesterday had the most new cases since the end of May.  Wave 2 is upon us.

Meet the new boss .... same as the old boss.

We're (northern hemisphere) are gonna be fucked this winter.
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« Reply #5368 on: September 19, 2020, 05:03:06 AM »
Italy so far is holding on, the spike in contagions are there, but nowhere near as severe as in France, Spain and the UK.

I'm afraid this is what it's gonna be like until a vaccine, some moments where the curve flattens, some other ones where there's spikes, some times strict measures will be enforced and some other times they will be lifted, in an accordion-style movement of spikes and calm moments which will plunge us in constant uncertainty and make us feel any distant plan futile.
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« Reply #5369 on: September 19, 2020, 05:07:06 AM »
Our city had the most new cases since June today.
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« Reply #5370 on: September 19, 2020, 07:17:42 AM »
Shit it picking up here in Ontario as well.  Yesterday had the most new cases since the end of May.  Wave 2 is upon us.

Meet the new boss .... same as the old boss.

We're (northern hemisphere) are gonna be fucked this winter.

Man, I sure hope you're wrong but I'm afraid it's going to be a brutal winter in the north country.

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« Reply #5371 on: September 19, 2020, 08:22:54 AM »
A while back I posted of an elderly friend passing away from C19, and my niece contacting it (TAC, thanks for your kind words). 

My niece still has almost zero stamina, and will be moving out of her apartment due to income restraints.

A couple in our community in their mid 50s:  the wife helps my wife with our website, he audited our books before I became treasurer.  Both are healthier and more active than us 'oldsters', got it as they started to move items to their new permanent residence in Florida.  He was in acute care for seven days, and is now home while still enduring many after effects.

Another couple:  he accepted a new job in Boston in January, found an apartment, and then C19 hit.  His work shut down, the offer was pulled, and they were stuck with a six month rental contract.  Her mother, aged 71, fell and broke her shoulder, then had to go to a nursing home for two weeks of recovery.  Yup, you guessed it.  She died from C19 two weeks ago.

The test kits our Maryland governor made such a big deal about from South Korea are now 'junked' due to too many false positives.  And while the state says our positive rates are below 3.6%, Johns Hopkins lists it at over 6% (the Ravens multi weekly negative tests are included in the state figures), so he opens things up to 75% capacity.  So much for the common sense he had initially shown, but he's been busy lately on a book tour while the UE agency system continues to crash, with some people waiting THREE MONTHS for their first check.

Our county unexpectedly is going to have teachers come in to teach online students and bring in special needs kids in a few weeks.  There will be a meeting in ten days to discuss this......via Zoom! :facepalm:

The States are now well over 200K in deaths, the flu season is right around the corner.  I see where a few more college games were cancelled, but the Big Ten decides to restart, even though 30% at Penn State who are positive now have myocarditis. 

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5372 on: September 19, 2020, 09:34:14 AM »
So much of this is just plain common sense, which people do not seem to have.  Regardless of what the politicians say, regardless of what restrictions are in place or have been lifted, one thing that doesn't change is that you can't catch it if you're not exposed to it.  And you can't be exposed to it if you stay the fuck away from other people.  I know, people want to go out, dine in restaurants, see movies and concerts.  Fine, go.  But honestly, don't be surprised if you go somewhere surrounded by other people and end up catching a virus.

Schools, teachers, students... yeah, that all sucks.  There are no perfect solutions, but once again, staying the fuck home is a huge first step.  I know, not all schools and communities really have that option.  For that, I'm glad that my kids are past school age.

It will be around for a while.  Like the flu or even the common cold, it will never go away, because like the flu and the common cold it will continue to mutate and defy whatever our science can come up with.  But really, it shouldn't come as a shock to people when cases spike after restrictions are lifted and/or people are crowding together (as in schools).  That's why I always take science over politicians.  Imagine, taking the advice of people who've made it their lifelong goal to seek the truth, as opposed to listening to people whose job is literally to say whatever the most people want to hear.

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« Reply #5373 on: September 19, 2020, 09:38:29 AM »
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« Reply #5374 on: September 19, 2020, 09:57:34 AM »
So much of this is just plain common sense, which people do not seem to have.  Regardless of what the politicians say, regardless of what restrictions are in place or have been lifted, one thing that doesn't change is that you can't catch it if you're not exposed to it.  And you can't be exposed to it if you stay the fuck away from other people.  I know, people want to go out, dine in restaurants, see movies and concerts.  Fine, go.  But honestly, don't be surprised if you go somewhere surrounded by other people and end up catching a virus.

Schools, teachers, students... yeah, that all sucks.  There are no perfect solutions, but once again, staying the fuck home is a huge first step.  I know, not all schools and communities really have that option.  For that, I'm glad that my kids are past school age.

It will be around for a while.  Like the flu or even the common cold, it will never go away, because like the flu and the common cold it will continue to mutate and defy whatever our science can come up with.  But really, it shouldn't come as a shock to people when cases spike after restrictions are lifted and/or people are crowding together (as in schools).  That's why I always take science over politicians.  Imagine, taking the advice of people who've made it their lifelong goal to seek the truth, as opposed to listening to people whose job is literally to say whatever the most people want to hear.

And that's why I say, all those of us who are in fear of catching the virus, should be looking to improve our health any way we can, so we won't succumb to it. And why I stress to learn as much as you can from the elders, if that's your worry, and to ask them how they feel about this virus.

So what are the ways we can, as individuals, as a nation, as a world, do to improve our deteriorating health? What are the causes of our health deteriorating the way it has, that we are succumbing to this virus? Is it our food, the effect of the state of our world society and culture?
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5375 on: September 19, 2020, 10:05:41 AM »
While the virus is not in the air, it might seem that it's easier to catch it if you live in a polluted area, with bad air quality. It all ties back anyway to the way we're treating our planet, "too much of everything" puts a strain on the equlibrium we have with our only home, we pollute too much and we become more vulnerable to diseases, we pour cement upon every tree we can find and eventually we disturb viruses that were better left the hell alone, which spread and affects us more because we were pollutin the air to begin with...

It all falls back under the global and waaaaay generic and absolutely broad concept of "Don't screw up the planet" basically, of course there are endless discussions to be held not on a forum but in the offices of power about what do locally and nation for nation, but speaking as I said way generally, it all comes back to one thing: we shouldn't screw up our one and only home so much.
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« Reply #5376 on: September 19, 2020, 10:19:38 AM »
While the virus is not in the air, it might seem that it's easier to catch it if you live in a polluted area, with bad air quality. It all ties back anyway to the way we're treating our planet, "too much of everything" puts a strain on the equlibrium we have with our only home, we pollute too much and we become more vulnerable to diseases, we pour cement upon every tree we can find and eventually we disturb viruses that were better left the hell alone, which spread and affects us more because we were pollutin the air to begin with...

It all falls back under the global and waaaaay generic and absolutely broad concept of "Don't screw up the planet" basically, of course there are endless discussions to be held not on a forum but in the offices of power about what do locally and nation for nation, but speaking as I said way generally, it all comes back to one thing: we shouldn't screw up our one and only home so much.

I don't think you're entirely wrong.  And, like the Star One song It's Alive, She's Alive, We're Alive, I seriously think there's merit in the lyric/notion  "Mother Nature's striking back, protecting her domain".
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« Reply #5377 on: September 19, 2020, 10:26:09 AM »
I don't see it more as a striking back, even though of course that term is not meant that literally, but more as our failure to remember that not every single portion of the planet belongs to us.

Nature doesn't conjure up by magic bears to protect itself from humans - but if humans insist to roam freely around areas where there are bears, sooner or later someone's gonna injure or kill a human. We should leave bears alone and it's not mandatory to continue to walk, hike or build in areas where there are bears.

At the same time nature doesn't conjure up a virus because humans are overpopulating and overbuilding an area, but eventually going too deep in the jungle and eating everything that once was alive that can be found in it resulted first in the SARS, and then in this.

It's not that nature creates a volcano - it's mankind that is too often too stupid and gets too close to the lava, to make another metaphor.
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« Reply #5378 on: September 19, 2020, 10:51:40 AM »
I don't see it more as a striking back, even though of course that term is not meant that literally, but more as our failure to remember that not every single portion of the planet belongs to us.

Nature doesn't conjure up by magic bears to protect itself from humans - but if humans insist to roam freely around areas where there are bears, sooner or later someone's gonna injure or kill a human. We should leave bears alone and it's not mandatory to continue to walk, hike or build in areas where there are bears.

At the same time nature doesn't conjure up a virus because humans are overpopulating and overbuilding an area, but eventually going too deep in the jungle and eating everything that once was alive that can be found in it resulted first in the SARS, and then in this.

It's not that nature creates a volcano - it's mankind that is too often too stupid and gets too close to the lava, to make another metaphor.

and that is something I feel and will post on the political/religious section, because my response will go into that direction.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5379 on: September 19, 2020, 11:12:39 AM »
So much of this is just plain common sense, which people do not seem to have

This is truly accurate. 

My brother in law coaches a youth football team in WI.  They've had socially distant practices and workouts.  Games have now started.  Earlier this week, a mom took her kid to get tested, THEN drops him off at my brother in law's practice, despite the chance that the kid had COVID.

Kid tested positive.  My brother in law, nephew and their whole team have been exposed.  All because of one parent that still sent their kid somewhere even though they had gone for a test.  The team is now inactivated for two weeks.  My nephew can't go to school either.  Its aggravating. 

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« Reply #5380 on: September 19, 2020, 11:27:23 AM »
So much of this is just plain common sense, which people do not seem to have

This is truly accurate. 

My brother in law coaches a youth football team in WI.  They've had socially distant practices and workouts.  Games have now started.  Earlier this week, a mom took her kid to get tested, THEN drops him off at my brother in law's practice, despite the chance that the kid had COVID.

Kid tested positive.  My brother in law, nephew and their whole team have been exposed.  All because of one parent that still sent their kid somewhere even though they had gone for a test.  The team is now inactivated for two weeks.  My nephew can't go to school either.  Its aggravating.

Isn't that the risk though, once we make the decision to step out that door. When we go to the store, we have that risk. When we walk and the next door neighbor is outside as well, we have that risk. It's all down to how you as an individual are willing to risk it.

All of the people that are taking part in Sports are accepting that risk and acknowledging there is a chance they'll get it, if Social Distancing is so important.

How did your brother in law's team find out the parent knew their was a chance her kid was positive?

The point is in not knowing people's thoughts. No one has a way knowing if another person knows something, until they find out.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5381 on: September 19, 2020, 01:26:30 PM »
My post wasn't about the risk.  The point is that the parent knew there was a chance their kid had COVID, took them for a test, and then still sent them to football practice.  They should have kept the kid at home until they had the results.  Use common sense.  Don't send your kid somewhere if you think they are sick. 

The kid was asymptomatic, and im sure they notified the league. Who then shut the team down for two weeks and exposed 20+ other kids and their famies.  All because of one parent that did not use common sense.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5382 on: September 19, 2020, 01:29:27 PM »
I take a risk driving the freeway, going to the store, etc.  I am aware and cautious that crotch rockets and autos might zip around me at 90 MPH, go the wrong way on an exit ramp, drive with a .10 or higher alcohol content, etc.  I am aware and cautious that pedestrians won't look or are too busy looking at their phones.  I am aware and cautious that idiots in parking lots will cross the horizontal line from the other lane and pull into a spot that should be open for me.  But I can't stop their behavior.

Same with stores and post offices and restaurants and hotels, and, yes, even casinos (though they and diners we visit are damn strict as hell :tup).  I can't order the idiots to lift up their masks above their mouths or noses, but I can make a snide comment, be cautious, and distance myself even further away.  I cannot do anything about the establishments that are careless, other than to avoid them.  Then I wonder what is wrong with them, and those who are supposed to enforce the rules. 

'Limitations' are far easier than another shutdown.  And if wearing a mask is such an infringement, how would they feel if they were a minority during the Jim Crow 'whites only' bullsh*t?
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5383 on: September 19, 2020, 01:46:15 PM »
My post wasn't about the risk.  The point is that the parent knew there was a chance their kid had COVID, took them for a test, and then still sent them to football practice.  They should have kept the kid at home until they had the results.  Use common sense.  Don't send your kid somewhere if you think they are sick. 

The kid was asymptomatic, and im sure they notified the league. Who then shut the team down for two weeks and exposed 20+ other kids and their famies.  All because of one parent that did not use common sense.

We know the risk.  But use common sense and be smart!

But How were the parents and coaches to know she didn't have common sense? It's all Trust, and honor code.

Yes, she's at fault for being an ass. But, so are all of the parents and coaches for accepting that risk just to play football.

Apparently, people can't be reliable, so is it worth the risk of infection?

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5384 on: September 20, 2020, 07:07:54 PM »
But How were the parents and coaches to know she didn't have common sense? It's all Trust, and honor code.

Yes, she's at fault for being an ass. But, so are all of the parents and coaches for accepting that risk just to play football.

Apparently, people can't be reliable, so is it worth the risk of infection?

Some people think it is.  My brother in law coaches his son's team.  My nephew is 13 and is mildly autistic.  He's awkward and has always lagged behind other kids in things like learning to ride a bike, taking an additional 3-5 years beyond his friends to learn.   

My nephew EXCELLS at football.  He lives for it, he's grown, and while he's still awkward, this is one of the few things that he has truly taken a liking to.  So for them, the risk is worth it, because it's the one thing that my nephew loves and that he finally has something in common with his dad, the coach (who played in high school and loves the sport). 

They had to watch my younger nephew (his other son's) game from lawn chairs, far away from the stands.  My brother in law was on the verge of tears as he talked to some family about the situation - having this team yanked away from him for two weeks.  It means a lot to him and my nephew.  And the only reason that it happened is a dumbass parent that figured that they should get their kid tested, but didn't think that maybe they should keep them home until they got the results in case he was positive.  The results took one day.  The kid would have sat out one practice and would not have been responsible for putting his team on ice instead.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5385 on: September 20, 2020, 09:07:45 PM »
But How were the parents and coaches to know she didn't have common sense? It's all Trust, and honor code.

Yes, she's at fault for being an ass. But, so are all of the parents and coaches for accepting that risk just to play football.

Apparently, people can't be reliable, so is it worth the risk of infection?

Some people think it is.  My brother in law coaches his son's team.  My nephew is 13 and is mildly autistic.  He's awkward and has always lagged behind other kids in things like learning to ride a bike, taking an additional 3-5 years beyond his friends to learn.   

My nephew EXCELLS at football.  He lives for it, he's grown, and while he's still awkward, this is one of the few things that he has truly taken a liking to.  So for them, the risk is worth it, because it's the one thing that my nephew loves and that he finally has something in common with his dad, the coach (who played in high school and loves the sport). 

They had to watch my younger nephew (his other son's) game from lawn chairs, far away from the stands.  My brother in law was on the verge of tears as he talked to some family about the situation - having this team yanked away from him for two weeks.  It means a lot to him and my nephew.  And the only reason that it happened is a dumbass parent that figured that they should get their kid tested, but didn't think that maybe they should keep them home until they got the results in case he was positive.  The results took one day.  The kid would have sat out one practice and would not have been responsible for putting his team on ice instead.

I don't know what else to say besides, Trust and Honor Code.

I'm sorry some parent decided to be an asshole and ruin your nephews fun of football. I hope no one comes back positive with it.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5386 on: September 20, 2020, 09:09:08 PM »
Grap, I feel for your nephew, trust me. I know.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5387 on: September 21, 2020, 06:33:46 AM »
As do I.

I'm of mixed emotions reading this last page.  I know, I know, "common sense", but it's not a thing.   We're talking about a heady brew of human nature, psychology, science that is perhaps beyond the average American to REALLY understand (hint:  the ONE THING you probably shouldn't do - indoors, close encounters (read: RESTAURANTS) - are gaining in numbers).    In my state, we're coming off a football season that was emotional and special (Newtown, site of the Sandy Hook shooting five years ago, won their state football title on a last second play) and now the CIAC, the body that governs it, cancelled football for the fall.  Something like 100 players and their parents protested on multiple occasions to get that reversed, all citing "science" (if you count "other states are doing it" as "science").   Plaintive, emotional arguments about the "one chance" that many of these kids have to make an impression on a college coach, thus "their future".   


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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5388 on: September 21, 2020, 06:59:14 AM »
Despite the fact that YOU feel there’s no such thing as common sense, many (here, and in broader society) do. Just saying it over and over and over and over again doesn’t make your view on the matter any more right than others’.

Yes, I realize I’m opening a can of worms with you in this matter. It’s something I think everyone here knows you’re extremely ardent about.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5389 on: September 21, 2020, 07:13:46 AM »
I spent a few hours walking around a pond by a park yesterday, and there were a small handful of people (like, 6 max) across the whole area all evening. Some woman was walking with (I assume) her husband, and she had a mask and kept it down, but when she got like 100 feet away from me she put it up and walked through the grass to avoid getting near me. How stupid is that?  :lol
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