Coronavirus

[MirrorMask]

In Italy we tried that for a while and eventually all parks are being closed down and sports activity is being suggested close to home. Just like strolling your dog which was an excuse to tour the entire town, it's been suggested to stay within 200 m from home.

I can see for high population density areas, even going for a walk can be an issue. For those of us in a suburban area, I really hope it never comes to banning that. I could walk for 30 minutes and maybe pass 2 people in my neighborhood. I can see keeping kids off of playground equipment though. But we are going to be very dependent on getting out for walks to keep us and the kids from going crazy in the house.

Yeah, but with the oversaturated hospitals, being paranoid becomes a necessity. You go out for a short run, you stumble, fall and break your ankle, then you gonna have to call the ambulance and you pile up on people needing more attention, and what if you're asintomatic and you infect someone? what if you sit on a bench where someone asintomatic sneezed an half hour ago and you touch it with your hands?

I agree, these are unrealistic scenarios, but you have to consider how many people are out there and how many irresponsable ones  there are. True, in 99% of the cases, going out alone for a short walk won't harm anyone. That 1% is covered by staying at home.

I'm not saying that everyone who takes a quiet solitary walk in the middle of nowhere should feel guilty, far from it. In your specific case I envy you, and I also think you're not doing anything wrong, it's good to be still outside from time to time. But I also see the necessity to become paranoid about it and urging everyone to stay always home.

[The Walrus]

Arguing that it's a bad idea to go for a walk because you'll stumble and trip and break your ankle is like arguing you shouldn't take the trash out because you may cut yourself on a piece of glass. At some point the paranoia becomes extreme and oppressive. In a suburban or especially rural community you should be fine talking a brief stroll around the block

[bosk1]

At some point the paranoia becomes extreme and oppressive.

Ya think?

[ZKX-2099]

Tom hanks is still alive. Can everybody calm down now?

[Harmony]

In Italy we tried that for a while and eventually all parks are being closed down and sports activity is being suggested close to home. Just like strolling your dog which was an excuse to tour the entire town, it's been suggested to stay within 200 m from home.

I can see for high population density areas, even going for a walk can be an issue. For those of us in a suburban area, I really hope it never comes to banning that. I could walk for 30 minutes and maybe pass 2 people in my neighborhood. I can see keeping kids off of playground equipment though. But we are going to be very dependent on getting out for walks to keep us and the kids from going crazy in the house.

Yeah, but with the oversaturated hospitals, being paranoid becomes a necessity.

This is a line outside a NY ER right now 

People definitely need to be more cautious.  We broke a glass in our home yesterday and I was concerned about someone needing stitches if they got cut.  I'd probably get out my sewing bag vs. going to an ER or UC at this point.

[hefdaddy42]

My brother works in retail.  He is likely to be furloughed at the end of the week.

While my department at work is considered "essential" and is thus still reporting to the office, I developed a low grade fever this morning, so I went home to work from there.  Could be any number of things, and since I have diabetes, any number of things could occur.

[cramx3]

Damn, stay safe Hef.

[cramx3]

Seriously ... everyone that can - STAY THE FUCK HOME except for truly essential reasons - and doing home reno's while under isolation ain't essential.  I'm sorry, but everyone rushing out to Walmart and Home Depot ... how is that any different than the spring breakers in Clearwater?

Wish I could. Can't. If I miss a single paycheck I am fucked. I have no choice.

That's completely fair... and for many like you, WORK is essential.  I'm totally cool with that.

Yea, work is essential.  Home improvements?  No not really.

Was told last night that I will be needed to go in.  I got email notification that I am essential.  However, the building won't let me work there normally so I've got to work from home and prep things and then go in for a few hours to bang it all out.  However, the work load is getting really high as our networks are getting maxed out from everyone online so my list of things to do in a short time on site are getting way too large.  Oh well.  I guess it's better than being furloughed or laid off.  I just hope someone recognizes the ONE (literally the only person on the east coast) person who has to leave their house to keep this company functioning. 

Also, since we are online advertising, it would seem, ads aren't "essential" but the government is using our platform for PSAs from the CDC.  So instead of ads, we are also doing this with our platform which is why it is "essential".  The CEO of our parent company was also on CNN stating our employees are going to work to keep the internet going.  Someone's got to do it...

[Stadler]

Let's not forget how we got here, though.  We got here because people weren't social distancing, and weren't being prudent with their interactions.  As Mr. "Tend Your Own Garden", I'm biased against those people that take the "well, they mean all THOSE people, not me!" stance - a very common stance, as it happens - but I don't think that the magic is JUST sequestration.  In fact, I worry that being sequestered might actually make us careless with the little things that would truly and provably lower our exposure odds. 

How many people know the survival rate on cardboard?  So what about all those packages that are still being sent?   If I was going to go to Appleby's, and sit in the dining room with an infected person, and instead we both get take out from the same place, does that really materially change my exposure odds?  I'm sure it does, but enough to put that cool diagram above into effect?  I don't know; do you? 

[Lethean]

I believe it's 24 hours on cardboard.

If you get take out, transfer your take out to a plate with out touching it with your hands.  Or, open the container, wash your hands, transfer the food to a plate, throw out the container, wash your hands again, and microwave the food. I believe at least 30 seconds was the recommended time.

[vtgrad]

My brother works in retail.  He is likely to be furloughed at the end of the week.

While my department at work is considered "essential" and is thus still reporting to the office, I developed a low grade fever this morning, so I went home to work from there.  Could be any number of things, and since I have diabetes, any number of things could occur.

Stay positive brother... Jessica and I will be praying for you.  When this is over, cigars and whiskey will come your way.    PM me anytime if you want to talk and I'll throw my number at you.

I've read a few articles about testing temp in the late afternoon instead of in the morning (because our temps fluctuate roughly a degree in either direction during the morning and mid afternoon hours) and that you should consider only 100+ a fever.  Control it as best you can with what you have.  Though I was joking in my earlier post about Baptist being a good hospital... it actually is a very good hospital and system.  Wake will handle things, and you and your family will be fine.

Being pragmatic for a moment, we honestly want to see the denominator (number of confirmed cases) go up and we should all be prepared for it because we're (the US) testing now.  Patient 0 allegedly being traced to mid November 2019 (can't remember where I read that) COVID19 has likely traveled the world already and the world may never actually know the true number of cases.  I honestly wish that someone in our Government would simply say that cases are going to surge over the next few weeks because we're testing now... and I can also wish that the press would communicate that fully instead of making an eye-catching headline and assuming that the entire article is read.  Hopefully and prayerfully, our medical systems will not be over-run too badly and those that need the critical care will receive it; that's where Social Distancing will work for us all I think.

The entire world has to pull together, and I believe we will.

[The Walrus]

I believe it's 24 hours on cardboard.

If you get take out, transfer your take out to a plate with out touching it with your hands.  Or, open the container, wash your hands, transfer the food to a plate, throw out the container, wash your hands again, and microwave the food. I believe at least 30 seconds was the recommended time.

Better yet, DON'T GET TAKEOUT! Learn to cook and you forego all the risk entirely and you let someone avoid going outside one less time.

[Adami]

I believe it's 24 hours on cardboard.

If you get take out, transfer your take out to a plate with out touching it with your hands.  Or, open the container, wash your hands, transfer the food to a plate, throw out the container, wash your hands again, and microwave the food. I believe at least 30 seconds was the recommended time.

Better yet, DON'T GET TAKEOUT! Learn to cook and you forego all the risk entirely and you let someone avoid going outside one less time.

I'm definitely cooking more, but sometimes you just want some chipotle bro.

[Lethean]

I'm not currently getting take out - I've been trying to lose holiday weight and have been cooking since before this started.  (And I think it's been a good move all around for me). But Stadler asked, and if I was getting take out, I'd definitely be following the above advice.

[jingle.boy]

our employees are going to work to keep the internet going.  Someone's got to do it...

Not all heroes wear capes.

At some point the paranoia becomes extreme and oppressive.

Ya think?

I'd like to think that most people would also consider 10M cases "extreme and oppressive".

Paranoia and being overtly/uber cautious to minimize/eliminate any health risk are two different things, imo.  The health system is getting crushed with COVID-19.  I'm not suggesting we all ball-up in a corner cowering in fear of 100% of life, but there's no need to make 5 trips to Home Depot in 2 days - sorry Bill, I gotta say that's an example of an unnecessary risk.

Going for a walk to get outside ... sure thing - so long as the 6 ft distances can be maintained.  But when 2M inside of NY City have that attitude ....  It's like voting.  1 person's action don't make a difference.  When a massive chunk of the population aggregates with the same behaviour, that's the problem. 

I say this knowing full well my rural environment avails me to situations and luxuries not everyone has.  At this point, any non-COVID health need is at risk of A) not getting attention, and B) opening up the possibility of continued spread of COVID-19

This is not 'eliminating risk' ... Vancouver over the weekend:



As Stads says... tend your own garden (and hope that everyone else does as well).

[Stadler]

I believe it's 24 hours on cardboard.

If you get take out, transfer your take out to a plate with out touching it with your hands.  Or, open the container, wash your hands, transfer the food to a plate, throw out the container, wash your hands again, and microwave the food. I believe at least 30 seconds was the recommended time.

Better yet, DON'T GET TAKEOUT! Learn to cook and you forego all the risk entirely and you let someone avoid going outside one less time.

I've been on a roll with that lately.  Last night was chicken parm; fairly straightforward, but I might make something more fancy tonight, since it's snowing.

[jammindude]

Boeing has now suspended operations. 20 employees have tested positive. People are saying this is the first time in history that Boeing has just suspended operations.

[Indiscipline]

A few considerations from the trenches:

. I'm naturally in constant phone contact with my grandmother of 98 and last night I asked her: "Is this lockdown like WWII?" She answered: "Not at all. We helped each other staying together then, now you gotta help shutting in". Solidarity through solitude. Gotta be a first.

. First world health crisis in the social media era. Once we did what the doctors told us to do, now we know.

. During the first week of lockdown I forecast a big natality rate spike, after two weeks I'm guaranteeing a huge spike in divorces.


Meanwhile contagion rate and deaths 'round here are slightly decreasing. Maybe this nationwide quarantine is working.

[bosk1]

I'll be interested to see where we are in about 2 weeks time.  By then, we SHOULD have much more meaningful data, both here in the U.S., and worldwide.  Right now, the biggest numbers are in China and Italy, and the numbers STILL aren't really big enough to tell us much of significance.  And both of those countries have somewhat unique situations.  I would say that, worldwide, we are still at the "we don't know much" stage. 

[hefdaddy42]

Stay positive brother... Jessica and I will be praying for you.  When this is over, cigars and whiskey will come your way.   

Thanks pal, I appreciate it.  But believe you me, cigars and whiskey will help me through all of this lol

I'm not worried, mostly because there is nothing yet to worry about.  My wife is worried enough for the both of us.

[JayOctavarium]

I wonder how the states are going to handle ALL of the unemployment claims.

[jingle.boy]

I would say that, worldwide, we are still at the "we don't know much" stage.

True. But we know enough to be extremely concerned, cautious, and diligent to all the warnings and guidance being given by health authorities.

[ProfessorPeart]

Hotels.com said it best. Just saw a new commercial with Captain Obvious isolating himself. The tagline is this:

Hotels.com
Just Stay Home

Can't argue with that.

[jingle.boy]

Ontario in lockdown. Non essential businesses are to close by Wednesday. I fully expect the rest of the country to follow suit tomorrow or Wednesday.  We should be already.

[bosk1]

I would say that, worldwide, we are still at the "we don't know much" stage.

True. But we know enough to be extremely concerned, cautious, and diligent to all the warnings and guidance being given by health authorities.

And that has nothing to do with what I was talking about.  But in response:  cautious and diligent?  Absolutely.  Concerned?  Not really.

[jingle.boy]

You’re not concerned?

[ErHaO]

We should absolutely be concerned in general, because no healthcare system in the world seems capable of treating the amount of people that require intensive and longer term hospitalization (weeks). At this point that is not a maybe, that is proven fact based on many different locations with significant outbreaks. And in such a situation, where the healthcare is at capacity, a significant amount of people will die, corona or not. Car accident and someone is critical? Shit out of luck, the hospital is full. That will be the situation very quickly if people do not take this seriously enough.

And unfortunately, that was the case here. Full beaches, people playing sports in parks, crowded markets etc. The result? An increasing tense situation in our hospitals (one of our hospitals has patients in tents outside the building already) and the government had to announce stronger rules. We now will not have events or gatherings of people until the first of june. It is that dire.

[bosk1]

@Jingle:  Not overly, no.  We don't know enough to be concerned, and health officials aren't saying anything that causes me to be concerned.  At least, not a about the virus--the behavior of many in reacting to the virus is a whole different story.  But, again, that does not excuse caution or diligence at all. 

Anyhow, back to my musings about the data, it will be interesting to see what this looks like once we begin approaching the typical numbers for other colds.  I saw a couple of sources saying that there are about 1 billion cases of colds every year in this country (although data is spotty due to lack of reporting).  When we get a true understanding and appreciation of the numbers from this particular one, we should be getting a handle on meaningful comparisons.

[jingle.boy]

^ gotchya.

[jammindude]

It doesn't use the language...but wouldn't this qualify as "shelter in place"? 

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/governor-kate-brown-tightens-social-distancing/283-b6f9bd09-22d6-48dd-a42f-8bc5596d9373?fbclid=IwAR1RrYIJ0kj_SucKsi6vnb-PLwvetC22o3IZzhOqiJ6EGtLzUN-MQAdXFVY

If you don't want to click, apparently the Governor of Oregon is issuing stricter guidelines (including fines and jail) if you don't stay home.

[Lonk]

It doesn't use the language...but wouldn't this qualify as "shelter in place"? 

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/governor-kate-brown-tightens-social-distancing/283-b6f9bd09-22d6-48dd-a42f-8bc5596d9373?fbclid=IwAR1RrYIJ0kj_SucKsi6vnb-PLwvetC22o3IZzhOqiJ6EGtLzUN-MQAdXFVY

If you don't want to click, apparently the Governor of Oregon is issuing stricter guidelines (including fines and jail) if you don't stay home.

Some people seem to have an issue with the term "Shelter-in-place", so they are calling it different things (in this case, Stay-at-home order).

[Adami]

Technically, shelter in place is used for like immediate deadly emergencies, like an active shooter. It's where you find whatever shelter is closest and barricade yourself in until given the all clear.

This, while quite similar, is still not that.

Not that it matters. What we call this shouldn't be too important, just what it is.

[DragonAttack]

@Jingle:  Not overly, no.  We don't know enough to be concerned, and health officials aren't saying anything that causes me to be concerned.  At least, not a about the virus--the behavior of many in reacting to the virus is a whole different story.  But, again, that does not excuse caution or diligence at all. 

Anyhow, back to my musings about the data, it will be interesting to see what this looks like once we begin approaching the typical numbers for other colds.  I saw a couple of sources saying that there are about 1 billion cases of colds every year in this country (although data is spotty due to lack of reporting).  When we get a true understanding and appreciation of the numbers from this particular one, we should be getting a handle on meaningful comparisons.

The numbers will be under reported

from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

March 20 (GMT)
Italy: in the city of Bergamo, there were 108 more deaths in the first 15 days of March this year compared to 2019 (164 deaths in 2020 vs. 56 deaths in 2019) according to the mayor of the city Giorgio Gori. During this period, 31 deaths were attributed to the coronavirus (less than 30% of the additional deaths this year)

"There are significant numbers of people who have died but whose death hasn't been attributed to the coronavirus because they died at home or in a nursing home and so they weren't swabbed," said the mayor [source]

[eric42434224]

Stay positive brother... Jessica and I will be praying for you.  When this is over, cigars and whiskey will come your way.   

Thanks pal, I appreciate it.  But believe you me, cigars and whiskey will help me through all of this lol

I'm not worried, mostly because there is nothing yet to worry about.  My wife is worried enough for the both of us.

Lol I think everyone missed this Hef.

Vtgrad says, “whiskey and cigars on way when all is over.”
Hef says, “now is better, please and thx”. 

All hands on deck!  Stogies and Mash for Hef, Stat!

[bosk1]

The numbers will be under reported

Oh, I know.  That's kinda my point.