Aerosmith - Trouble In Paradise

[Anguyen92]

Oh boy.  I found this in another forum discussing the Aerosmith drama regarding this court decision.  We got a bunch of well qualified people here that is well-versed in legal stuff.  This should be an interesting read when it comes to a court case between long-time band members and how terminology like "employer," "employee," and "corporation" is being referenced in this read. 

https://www.scribd.com/document/443943778/Kramer-v-Vidaloo-Decision-2083cv52?fbclid=IwAR0Z_qs-fRAwTy3pkTl00kLNTglm_iZ8KVstifFe5_eqMUzv15ZIl4tzaQk

Edit: I like this part so far, "Paragraph 16 then states that those agreements were not drafted as effectively as they should have been and have been the source of several controversies among the band members." No kidding.

[cramx3]

I thought I read that he did the audition but they said no after?

https://www.scribd.com/document/443943778/Kramer-v-Vidaloo-Decision-2083cv52?fbclid=IwAR0Z_qs-fRAwTy3pkTl00kLNTglm_iZ8KVstifFe5_eqMUzv15ZIl4tzaQk

Just started reading this and I found the answer to the question.  I can't quote that doc so I'll summarize, he didn't do the audition when he wanted to return to the residency so they continued with the tech playing drums.  But Kramer wanted to get back to the band to perform at the awards and do the 2020 residency dates so he did the audition (which was recording his drums to a click and sending the tapes to the rest of the band).  The band then met and voted 4-1 (Kramer being the 1) in favor of the tech's drumming being better.  This also shows opinions of two others, one who says it was sufficient, one who says the tech was much better.  Who the hell knows.

The band did say they would bring him back for the residency not the awards because they would need too much time to rehearse with him. 

He also get's paid 100% of his shares for everything besides the live performance which he gets 90% and the tech gets 10%.  I can't imagine this is about money since he's been getting paid.

Also, this stems from their agreement not having anything stated on the requirements to return to the band from injury.

I got to think there is more to this, if he's getting paid and has an opportunity to return, did he just destroy his chances of returning by suing them?  It must be something more personal behind it IMO.  That was definitely an interesting read though.

[cramx3]

So their big 50th anniversary show at Fenway... I'm thinking about going.  For one, that will be a cool way to visit Fenway Park for the first time, second, its right around my birthday just like it was when i saw them in Vegas last fall, so might be a nice little (OK, probably kind of big since I bet ticket prices aren't cheap and they weren't last year either) birthday gift to myself.  And third, it will keep my streak of a concert a year in MA.  This is tempting...

[Stadler]

Fenway - and the area around it - is awesome.  I just saw The Cult at a club literally across the street from the Green Monster. 

[cramx3]

I bought a ticket and booked a hotel room.  It's refundable and being that I got a cheaper first row of the bleacher seat, I'm sure I can sell it if things come up.  But I did put a work vacation day in and I definitely want to make it.    also Extreme is opening, so while it may not be Joey playing drums and the guys might be a bit too old to sound great, I think it's going to be a really fun night in Boston almost exactly one year from seeing them in one of my favorite (out of 59) concerts of 2019.

[Stadler]

An Extreme/Aerosmith double bill?  I might get off my fat ass for that one. I saw the Pornograffiti 25th tour and they killed it (even though they were CLEARLY upset about something with the venue). 

[cramx3]

Yea, it's like a Boston hometown show for Aerosmith's 50th Anniversary with also Boston's Extreme.  Also, another Boston hometown show the next night at Fenway for New Kids on the Block 

[cramx3]

So Joey performed with them last night... was this all for attention?

[Adami]

So Joey performed with them last night... was this all for attention?

Doubtful. Looks like this is just what happens sometimes with these situations. Things get out of hand and then (in good situations) calm down.

[jammindude]

Agreed.   This is just another day at the office in the end.   Because (as we've discovered over the last couple of decades) they are not really "brothers"...or even friends.   They are co-workers.  Period.  Co-workers that don't even really like each other most of the time, but they put up with each other because they all have this understanding that they are best serving their customers by presenting the 5 of them.   But at the same time, there is also an understanding that the company is primarily Tyler and Perry.  Anyone else *could* be replaced and the "brand would continue...but the brand would also suffer...so they try to avoid such things.    But poop happens, and that's all this was. 

[Zydar]

More trouble - Steven Tyler enters rehab, Aerosmith cancels upcoming tour dates.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/steven_tyler_enters_rehab_aerosmith_cancel_upcoming_tour_dates.html

"In a new official announcement shared through their social media, Aerosmith have revealed that vocalist Steven Tyler has "relapsed and voluntarily entered a treatment program." Due to the issue, Aerosmith are canceling their upcoming Las Vegas residency dates planned for June and July".

[cramx3]

Sucks and I hope he gets better.  Still planning on going to the Fenway Park show in September but I wonder if he will be OK by then. 

[TAC]

..and Joey Kramer wasn’t even doing those dates either.

[Stadler]

More trouble - Steven Tyler enters rehab, Aerosmith cancels upcoming tour dates.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/steven_tyler_enters_rehab_aerosmith_cancel_upcoming_tour_dates.html

"In a new official announcement shared through their social media, Aerosmith have revealed that vocalist Steven Tyler has "relapsed and voluntarily entered a treatment program." Due to the issue, Aerosmith are canceling their upcoming Las Vegas residency dates planned for June and July".

So help an old man out... didn't this very thing - I mean, exactly: foot injury, surgery, resulting relapse on painkillers - happen already about five years ago?   I read the press release, and I had a wicked case of deja vu, and I felt like I had read that exact same release once before.

[goo-goo]

Peace Out tourdates. Seems like this is their farewell tour. No Joey Kramer though.

Aerosmith, Peace Out Tour
Sept. 02 – Philadelphia, PA @ Wells Fargo Center
Sept. 06 – Pittsburgh, PA @ PPG Paints Arena
Sept. 09 – Belmont Park, NY @ UBS Arena
Sept. 12 – Toronto, ON @ Scotiabank Arena
Sept. 15 – Chicago, IL @ United Center
Sept. 18 – Detroit, MI @ Little Caesars Arena
Sept. 21 – Cleveland, OH @ Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse
Sept. 24 – Raleigh, NC @ PNC Arena
Sept. 27 – Washington, DC @ Capital One Arena
Oct. 11 – Tampa, FL @ Amalie Arena
Oct. 14 – Atlanta, GA @ State Farm Arena
Oct. 17 – Charlotte, NC @ Spectrum Center
Oct. 20 – Sunrise, FL @ FLA Live Arena
Oct. 23 – Austin, TX @ Moody Center
Oct. 26 – St Louis, MO @ Enterprise Center
Oct. 29 – Indianapolis, IN @ Gainbridge Fieldhouse
Nov. 01 – San Antonio, TX @ AT&T Arena
Nov. 04 – Tulsa, OK @ BOK Center
Nov. 07 – Dallas, TX @ American Airlines Center
Nov. 10 – Omaha, NE @ CHI Health Center
Nov. 13 – St Paul, MN @ Xcel Energy Center
Nov. 16 – Kansas City, MO @ T-Mobile Center
Nov. 19 – Denver, CO @ Ball Arena
Nov. 22 – Salt Lake City, UT @ Vivint Arena
Nov. 25 – Portland, OR @ Moda Center
Nov. 28 – Seattle, WA @ Climate Pledge Arena
Dec. 01 – San Francisco, CA @ Chase Center
Dec. 04 – San Jose, CA @ SAP Center
Dec. 07 – Los Angeles, CA @ The Kia Forum
Dec. 10 – Phoenix, AZ @ Footprint Center
Dec. 28 – Newark, NJ @ Prudential Center
Dec. 31 – Boston, MA @ TD Garden
Jan. 04 – Cincinnati, OH @ Heritage Bank Arena
Jan. 07 – Louisville, KY @ KFC Yum! Center
Jan. 10 – Nashville, TN @ Bridgestone Arena
Jan. 13 – Knoxville, TN @ Thompson-Boling Arena
Jan. 16 – Buffalo, NY @ KeyBank Center
Jan. 19 – New York, NY @ Madison Square Garden
Jan. 23 – Columbus, OH @ Schottenstein Center
Jan. 26 – Montreal, QC @ Bell Centre

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[ReaperKK]

Will have to try and catch them

[cramx3]

Interesting that there's a minimum 3 days between shows. I'd imagine that has a lot to do with Stevens health. I'd like to go to the NJ or NYC show.

[Stadler]

Saw them at Fenway late last year and they still deliver.  It's a little more polished than the Aerosmith of the '70s and '80s, but a solid two hours, no question.

They're saying all the right things about Joey Kramer ("he's a brother, we want him to be well") but John Douglass is still the drummer for this run of shows.

In the press release I read, I heard they might be adding some shows; I don't know if that's at the end - more geography - or it's in-between the dates listed.  Joe Perry's comment seemed to indicate that it was more geography at the end.

[Volante99]

Was curious about seeing them in St Paul, but it looks like $300 minimum for a lower level ticket. Gonna pass on that one. Caught them about 20 years ago during the KISS/Aerosmith double headline tour. (Aerosmith absolutely destroyed KISS, btw).

This has got to be one of the slowest selling concerts for a major act I’ve seen in awhile- 6 hours on sale and interestingly all the cheaper upper level tickets are sold out while a ton of 1st/2nd row lower level seats sitting there for sale >$1000.

If that’s not an indication that tickets are priced too high then I don’t know what is. Clearly, only a very small number of people in the Twin Cities want to pay over a G to see Aerosmith. Go figure.

[TAC]

Was curious about seeing them in St Paul, but it looks like $300 minimum for a lower level ticket.

That's fucked!

Might be one of the worst major acts I've ever seen on stage.

[Stadler]

Was curious about seeing them in St Paul, but it looks like $300 minimum for a lower level ticket.

That's fucked!

Might be one of the worst major acts I've ever seen on stage.

Really?  When did you see them?  They were, for a while, one of the "see them whenever they come around" bands, so I've seen them a lot.  I've seen some shit - the '84 tour when Steven fell off the drum riser, bombed out of his tits - to some really good shows - PUMP was probably the best.   Fenway was polished, but it was pretty damn good.

[TAC]

Was curious about seeing them in St Paul, but it looks like $300 minimum for a lower level ticket.

That's fucked!

Might be one of the worst major acts I've ever seen on stage.

Really?  When did you see them?  They were, for a while, one of the "see them whenever they come around" bands, so I've seen them a lot.  I've seen some shit - the '84 tour when Steven fell off the drum riser, bombed out of his tits - to some really good shows - PUMP was probably the best.   Fenway was polished, but it was pretty damn good.

I saw the Done With Mirrors ('85), Permanent Vacation ('88), and Pump ('89).

I thought the Pump stage was awesome, and Tyler is a great showman, but I thought they were not great live. I find Joe Perry one of the cringiest rockers out there. And Kramer, Hamilton, and Whitford just have nothing on say Rudd, Williams, and Young.

In '85, Ted Nugent blew them off the stage. And I don't mean maybe. In '88, GnR blew them off the stage, and in '89, Skid Row was way more interesting than they should've been.

[Stadler]

Was curious about seeing them in St Paul, but it looks like $300 minimum for a lower level ticket.

That's fucked!

Might be one of the worst major acts I've ever seen on stage.

Really?  When did you see them?  They were, for a while, one of the "see them whenever they come around" bands, so I've seen them a lot.  I've seen some shit - the '84 tour when Steven fell off the drum riser, bombed out of his tits - to some really good shows - PUMP was probably the best.   Fenway was polished, but it was pretty damn good.

I saw the Done With Mirrors ('85), Permanent Vacation ('88), and Pump ('89).

I thought the Pump stage was awesome, and Tyler is a great showman, but I thought they were not great live. I find Joe Perry one of the cringiest rockers out there. And Kramer, Hamilton, and Whitford just have nothing on say Rudd, Williams, and Young.

In '85, Ted Nugent blew them off the stage. And I don't mean maybe. In '88, GnR blew them off the stage, and in '89, Skid Row was way more interesting than they should've been.

I'd agree with the Nugent.  I didn't see the Permanent Vacation tour, but I did see Pump, and I'd probably agree with Skid Row. 

If you're not into Joe Perry, though, that's the ticket, because so much of Aerosmith is that vibe.

[TAC]

Well, I compare them to AC/DC because with AC/DC, you have Angus running around doing his thing, and with Aerosmith, you have Tyler who is a great showman.

But there's a collective that each respective band has or doesn't have. With AC/DC, there's this force that comes at you, even as they're pretty much just standing around. The Aerosmith collective has never been very strong to me.
And I love old Aerosmith, as well as the old Joe Perry albums.

[King Postwhore]

I saw them on the Permanant Vacation tour.  They were good.  Not mind blowing live.  They filmed footage for the Video "Angel" that night.  Dokken opened up for them which was a great opener. 

[TAC]

I saw them on the Permanant Vacation tour.  They were good.  Not mind blowing live.  They filmed footage for the Video "Angel" that night.  Dokken opened up for them which was a great opener.

Oh shit, I saw that leg of the tour as well. You have to blow live if Dokken looks good.

[King Postwhore]

  I knew as fast as I typed it you were ready to blast away at Dokken and that leads to.......

[Kwyjibo]

To each his own I guess, but I saw Aerosmith a couple of times during the Pump and Get A Grip tours and they were killer. Not just Tyler but all of them. Seldom experienced so much energy on stage.

Openers that I remember were Mr. Big and The Black Crowes and while both were good they couldn't hold a candle to Aerosmith's performance.

[EPICVIEW]

Was curious about seeing them in St Paul, but it looks like $300 minimum for a lower level ticket.

That's fucked!

Might be one of the worst major acts I've ever seen on stage.

Really?  When did you see them?  They were, for a while, one of the "see them whenever they come around" bands, so I've seen them a lot.  I've seen some shit - the '84 tour when Steven fell off the drum riser, bombed out of his tits - to some really good shows - PUMP was probably the best.   Fenway was polished, but it was pretty damn good.

I too have seen them a lot... for some reason the Nine Lives tour I really enjoyed.. Ill be seeing them on this final tour because I have to by law

[TAC]

Openers that I remember were Mr. Big and The Black Crowes and while both were good they couldn't hold a candle to Aerosmith's performance.

Mr. Big and The Black Crowes would make any headliner look good.




Actually I saw TBC on their very first small club tour for their first album and enjoyed it a lot.

[cramx3]

I wasn't able to be available to check for tickets during the on sale time, but not surprisingly, I would have been priced out and am certainly fair away from current prices I see.  Which seems I'm not the only one as I'm somewhat surprised the two local shows (NJ, NYC) are not sold out.  The pricing for the behind the stage seats is absurd to me as well. Maybe it does give hope for a cheap single ticket to pop up and I can go to one of the shows.  If Fenway was my last experience, I'd be OK with that though.  I'd love to see this tour, but it's not a must see since I got to go to the Fenway show which likely will be better than this current tour anyway.

[Sebastián Pratesi]

New compilation was announced recently. It's called Greatest Hits, just like their 1980 set Greatest Hits. 

This time, there's no 2 new songs (like there were in 1994, 2002 and 2006). As far as I can tell, there's nothing unreleased either. Matter of fact, there's only one song post O, Yeah! Ultimate Aerosmith Hits (and it's a Diane Warren composition).

And that's on the deluxe edition! The standard 1CD/2LP version ends with "I Don't Wanna Miss A Thing". It's as if the band were celebrating their 25th anniversary. 

I got into the band in 2002, with the O, Yeah! set. Even back then, my friend and I used to joke about the number of Aerosmith compilations available. I think that 12-year-old me would find it quite amusing to learn about this one.

On an unrelated note... How cool is "Gotta Love It", right? Dat bass!