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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #105 on: February 14, 2020, 10:24:26 AM »
I'm sure the writing would've been fine without DC.
"You Or Me" is the writing without DC.

Not great.  But the problem with it isn't "a lack of Desmond Child".

I don't remember saying anything about a problem.
True, which I guess means that you must like the song, for some reason. 

Of course, you also said "I'm sure the writing would've been fine without DC" as if we don't actually know what it would have been without him.  Which we do.
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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #106 on: February 14, 2020, 08:37:27 PM »
Oh no, thatís not it at all.  I donít dislike YOM and YNM is better by some degree, but we all know that both arenít that great.  I never meant to imply otherwise.  Maybe I shouldíve used the word ďcouldíveĒ.  If Kevin Shirley wanted the song re-written, he couldíve asked the band to do it.  I think they were perfectly capable of refining the original composition without the help of DC.  It couldíve been a better song.  The outcome of that particular scenario is something weíll never know.  But, as it turned out, I like YNM better and I have no problem with it.
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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #107 on: February 15, 2020, 05:12:20 AM »
Oh no, thatís not it at all.  I donít dislike YOM and YNM is better by some degree, but we all know that both arenít that great.  I never meant to imply otherwise.  Maybe I shouldíve used the word ďcouldíveĒ.  If Kevin Shirley wanted the song re-written, he couldíve asked the band to do it.  I think they were perfectly capable of refining the original composition without the help of DC.  It couldíve been a better song.  The outcome of that particular scenario is something weíll never know.  But, as it turned out, I like YNM better and I have no problem with it.

I consider YNM to be a great song. It's got a catchy chorus, a simple but effective main riff, tons of groove in the verses, a unique bridge, and it's over in under 5 minutes. What more does it need? I don't know how people dislike this song but love garbage like Constant Motion or A Rite Of Passage. A vast improvement over YOM also.

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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #108 on: February 15, 2020, 07:02:33 AM »
I don't know how people dislike this song but love garbage like Constant Motion or A Rite Of Passage. A vast improvement over YOM also.
Those songs are fantastic.

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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #109 on: February 15, 2020, 03:19:00 PM »
Oh no, thatís not it at all.  I donít dislike YOM and YNM is better by some degree, but we all know that both arenít that great.  I never meant to imply otherwise.  Maybe I shouldíve used the word ďcouldíveĒ.  If Kevin Shirley wanted the song re-written, he couldíve asked the band to do it.  I think they were perfectly capable of refining the original composition without the help of DC.  It couldíve been a better song.  The outcome of that particular scenario is something weíll never know.  But, as it turned out, I like YNM better and I have no problem with it.

I consider YNM to be a great song. It's got a catchy chorus, a simple but effective main riff, tons of groove in the verses, a unique bridge, and it's over in under 5 minutes. What more does it need? I don't know how people dislike this song but love garbage like Constant Motion or A Rite Of Passage. A vast improvement over YOM also.

This is the great thing about Dream Theater. One fanís trash is another fanís treasure.

Seems like people are pretty split on You Not Me or You Or Me.

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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #110 on: February 15, 2020, 03:31:59 PM »
Oh no, thatís not it at all.  I donít dislike YOM and YNM is better by some degree, but we all know that both arenít that great.  I never meant to imply otherwise.  Maybe I shouldíve used the word ďcouldíveĒ.  If Kevin Shirley wanted the song re-written, he couldíve asked the band to do it.  I think they were perfectly capable of refining the original composition without the help of DC.  It couldíve been a better song.  The outcome of that particular scenario is something weíll never know.  But, as it turned out, I like YNM better and I have no problem with it.

I consider YNM to be a great song. It's got a catchy chorus, a simple but effective main riff, tons of groove in the verses, a unique bridge, and it's over in under 5 minutes. What more does it need? I don't know how people dislike this song but love garbage like Constant Motion or A Rite Of Passage. A vast improvement over YOM also.

This is the great thing about Dream Theater. One fanís trash is another fanís treasure.

Seems like people are pretty split on You Not Me or You Or Me.

Truth. Instead of trying to convince people that their opinions should be different, or that my opinion is the "correct" one, I find it more interesting simply to just to find out what people think and maybe learn something in the process.

As far as You Not Me goes I can't really motivate myself to care one way or another. I don't think it's a "bad" song, but it doesn't do anything for me either...so I never listen to it. But then I find most of FII is that way. I can't think of a single tune on that record that I really want to listen to. You'd probably be surprised to know that I actually think "Anna Lee" is one of the stronger songs. It's a very interesting arrangement with lots of lovely chord changes and accompanying melody lines. It's almost like DT doing a Spock's Beard homage in spots. That "bridge" sounds like it's straight from the Neal Morse playbook. It's a nice, sweet little tune that has grown on me over the years. I can't really say that about anything else from that album. 

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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #111 on: February 15, 2020, 04:42:36 PM »
I think YNM is an awful song, forsaken is ok, ROP is not very good but at least itís weird, and constant motion is textbook ďboring modern DTĒ.

Of course those are all just my opinions.

If youíre looking for progressive metal none of those songs are going to help you find it.   

YNM sounds like it could be on one of Alice Cooperís terrible 90ís albums, and Heís a top 10 artist for me.

The fact that Trial of Tears and YNM are on the same album is pretty funny.

Anyways, just my two cents.  I already stated my opinion BMUBMD which is not a good one.

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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #112 on: February 15, 2020, 05:59:21 PM »
I like the first three songs on that album, the rest fall flat with me.
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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #113 on: February 15, 2020, 08:34:54 PM »
I think YNM is an awful song, forsaken is ok, ROP is not very good but at least itís weird, and constant motion is textbook ďboring modern DTĒ.

Of course those are all just my opinions.

If youíre looking for progressive metal none of those songs are going to help you find it.   

YNM sounds like it could be on one of Alice Cooperís terrible 90ís albums

Agree with everything here. It sounds like a lot of the bad 90s Metal that came from hair bands desperate to remain relevant (the chorus at least).

There are only a handful of DT songs Iíd put in the awful category. YNM is one. Along for the Ride is another but I know it has its fans as well. Build Me Up Break Me Down is not good, but I wouldnít go as far to say itís awful either.

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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #114 on: February 16, 2020, 12:22:14 AM »
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You'd probably be surprised to know that I actually think "Anna Lee" is one of the stronger songs.

Totally. Always loved it. The key changes, arrangements, James - very touching.

BMUBMD has a very catchy chorus. I don't like the screams and synth hits. But i really like the main chorus. The lyrics fit well too.

ROP is DT at their most bar-band pointless to me. "Hey, let's do a song with that Eastern scale everyone does from time to time". Not what i want from DT at all. But I can't stand the SC and BCASL period as a whole so...

And, you know what, i really like You Not Me. Very well written. Another go-to track from FII for me.

I think DT mainly work for me as a heavy rock band with prog and all the other bits added on. The affecting song-writing is what i love. I love the playful bits of heavier metal too (i count things like TGP, R137, PBD as that). Whenever they veer towards "tough" metal styles with a straight face it sounds unnatural to me and turns me off. (Eg TOT, SC, BCASL)
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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #115 on: February 16, 2020, 09:28:43 AM »
My problem was that the Kesha song Tik Tok was popular at that time, with a bridge that goes

'You build me up, you break me down
My heart, it pounds, yeah, you got me'

So it seemed to me that DT was turning to the top 40 charts for inspiration
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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #116 on: February 16, 2020, 02:31:58 PM »
Love Anna Lee, one of their best ballads.  Itís like Dream Theater does Elton John.

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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #117 on: February 16, 2020, 04:19:24 PM »
Love Anna Lee, one of their best ballads.  Itís like Dream Theater does Elton John.

When DS was there, it was almost like Elton John was a member.  :angel: ;D
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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #118 on: February 17, 2020, 06:59:26 AM »
I don't know how people dislike this song but love garbage like Constant Motion or A Rite Of Passage. A vast improvement over YOM also.
IMO they are all pretty bad.
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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #119 on: February 17, 2020, 09:06:03 PM »
I don't know how people dislike this song but love garbage like Constant Motion or A Rite Of Passage. A vast improvement over YOM also.
IMO they are all pretty bad.

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Re: Why donít people like BMUBMD?
« Reply #120 on: February 18, 2020, 07:39:47 AM »
Thank you so much.
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