Author Topic: 2022 MLB Thread formerly the 2021 thread.. (Read 72366 times)

TAC · « **on:** January 13, 2020, 03:01:32 PM »

Alex Cora outta walk into John Henry's office and resign right now.

Oh, and congrats Nats! It was so nice to see Bryce Harper finally.....oh wait..nevermind.

KevShmev · « **Reply #1 on:** January 13, 2020, 03:17:04 PM »

I don't get why the Astros were not stripped of the 2017 championship. If they cheated to the extent that the GM and manager were both suspended for a year, with talk that one of the assistants (the current BoSox manager) will get similar treatment, how do you not strip them of the championship?

TAC · « **Reply #2 on:** January 13, 2020, 03:24:44 PM »

That's a good question. I've been saying all along that Hinch should get a year. I think MLB is well within their right to vacate those championships.

romdrums · « **Reply #3 on:** January 13, 2020, 03:26:18 PM »

Sounds like they got fired:

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-suspends-astros-gm-jeff-luhnow-manager-aj-hinch-for-a-year-in-sign-stealing-scandal-190918702.html

The Dodgers should be repeat champs.

TAC · « **Reply #4 on:** January 13, 2020, 03:53:49 PM »

Good job by Astros ownership.

Seems the Sox will be looking for a new manager shortly.

No wonder Steven Pearce looked like Babe fucking Ruth in that World Series.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #5 on:** January 13, 2020, 04:11:04 PM »

Remember Applegate Tim? Definitely getting fired.

TAC · « **Reply #6 on:** January 13, 2020, 04:13:23 PM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 13, 2020, 04:11:04 PM

Remember Applegate Tim?

King Postwhore · « **Reply #7 on:** January 13, 2020, 06:01:23 PM »

Wrong brain Tim.

KevShmev · « **Reply #8 on:** January 13, 2020, 06:22:24 PM »

Kelly Bundy is never the wrong answer.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #9 on:** January 13, 2020, 06:25:22 PM »

I didn't say that. Lol

Cool Chris · « **Reply #10 on:** January 13, 2020, 07:04:15 PM »

Quote from: TAC on January 13, 2020, 03:24:44 PM

I think MLB is well within their right to vacate those championships.

I have not followed MLB in years, and have no investment or knowledge about this story. I will just say that for reasons I cannot articulate well, I generally do not like leagues vacating wins/championships.

TAC · « **Reply #11 on:** January 13, 2020, 07:08:59 PM »

Quote from: Cool Chris on January 13, 2020, 07:04:15 PM

Quote from: TAC on January 13, 2020, 03:24:44 PM
I think MLB is well within their right to vacate those championships.

I have not followed MLB in years, and have no investment or knowledge about this story. I will just say that for reasons I cannot articulate well, I generally do not like leagues vacating wins/championships.

It is a pretty extreme measure, for sure.

axeman90210 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2020, 07:25:56 PM »

One argument I saw for vacating the championship is that what owner wouldn't pay a $5 million fine and give up some high round draft picks in exchange for a World Series championship? Essentially that's the price you placed on pervasive, systematic, season-long cheating.

pg1067 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 14, 2020, 10:33:02 AM »

Quote from: axeman90210 on January 13, 2020, 07:25:56 PM

One argument I saw for vacating the championship is that what owner wouldn't pay a $5 million fine and give up some high round draft picks in exchange for a World Series championship? Essentially that's the price you placed on pervasive, systematic, season-long cheating.

Exactly. As a Dodger fan, I'm biased, but I think vacating the titles is the only legitimate deterrent.

I certainly hope that, when the Astros play their first road game on March 30, the fans in Oakland make the rest of the baseball world proud. Same with Blue Jays fans when they open against the Sox on March 26, although I suspect they won't really hear it until they get to Baltimore on March 30.

KevShmev · « **Reply #14 on:** January 14, 2020, 03:42:52 PM »

I don't believe you should ever give a championship to a team that didn't win it, so stripping Houston of it doesn't mean I believe it should be given to the Dodgers. Vacate the championship so there is no 2017 champion. It would suck, but leaving a team that blatantly cheated to win the World Series in the record books as the champs would be a joke.

pg1067 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 14, 2020, 05:53:08 PM »

Quote from: KevShmev on January 14, 2020, 03:42:52 PM

I don't believe you should ever give a championship to a team that didn't win it, so stripping Houston of it doesn't mean I believe it should be given to the Dodgers. Vacate the championship so there is no 2017 champion. It would suck, but leaving a team that blatantly cheated to win the World Series in the record books as the champs would be a joke.

Agree. If they were to vacate the Astros title, it absolutely should be regarded as a blank year. I've seen a lot ranting by a lot of fellow Dodgers fans over the past few days, but I don't think I've seen anyone suggest that the title should be given to the Dodgers. Of course, there are always a few loons in every bunch, so I have seen folks suggesting silly things like that the Astro players' WS bonuses should be given to the Dodger players.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #16 on:** January 14, 2020, 05:59:42 PM »

Cora, Red Sox split ways. Not shocking at all.

gmillerdrake · « **Reply #17 on:** January 14, 2020, 06:05:39 PM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 14, 2020, 05:59:42 PM

Cora, Red Sox split ways. Not shocking at all.

Carlos Beltran.....come on down......your the next Manager up on “IT NEVER PAYS TO CHEAT”

King Postwhore · « **Reply #18 on:** January 14, 2020, 06:06:43 PM »

Well it did. Both won World Series.

gmillerdrake · « **Reply #19 on:** January 14, 2020, 06:11:22 PM »

For what it’s worth....IMO this is FAR worse than what Pete Rose was banned from baseball for and has been held out of the HOF for.

TAC · « **Reply #20 on:** January 14, 2020, 06:12:49 PM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 14, 2020, 05:59:42 PM

Cora, Red Sox split ways. Not shocking at all.

I was wondering how this was going to all come down.

Quote from: gmillerdrake on January 14, 2020, 06:05:39 PM

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 14, 2020, 05:59:42 PM
Cora, Red Sox split ways. Not shocking at all.

Carlos Beltran.....come on down......your the next Manager up on “IT NEVER PAYS TO CHEAT”

The local radio station was playing Cora's comments about the Yankee series in London last year, and it was crystal clear he was accusing Beltran of cheating for the Yanks.

Quote from: kingshmegland on January 14, 2020, 06:06:43 PM

Well it did. Both won World Series.

The Astros Championship should be vacated. they were cheating IN THE WORLD SERIES. The home/road splits for the hitters were laughable.

I wouldn't care what they did to the Sox.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #21 on:** January 14, 2020, 06:25:05 PM »

They won't but like the NFL they allow stealing signs and the league offices have always been behind the times.

Just don't allow it.

pg1067 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 15, 2020, 10:32:11 AM »

In case anyone wants to read Rob Manfred's full report: https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/upload/mlb/cglrhmlrwwbkacty27l7.pdf

TAC · « **Reply #23 on:** January 15, 2020, 05:21:57 PM »

WTF??

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/red-sox-aren-t-only-john-henry-owned-team-with-a-cheating-scandal-liverpool-drawing-new-heat-for-hacking-manchester-city/ar-BBYZRur?ocid=hplocalnews

T-ski · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2020, 02:06:31 PM »

now its rumored players on the Astros has wired buzzers on their shoulders to tip them off what pitches were coming.

starting to put the Black Sox scandal to shame.

pg1067 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 16, 2020, 03:29:28 PM »

Beltran's now gone as Mets manager.

KevShmev · « **Reply #26 on:** January 16, 2020, 07:37:03 PM »

And now Mike Trout has been accused of finding a loophole to take HGH.

Just shut down MLB now.

King Puppies and the Acid Guppies · « **Reply #27 on:** January 16, 2020, 09:44:37 PM »

Quote from: T-ski on January 16, 2020, 02:06:31 PM

now its rumored players on the Astros has wired buzzers on their shoulders to tip them off what pitches were coming.

starting to put the Black Sox scandal to shame.

Quote from: KevShmev on January 16, 2020, 07:37:03 PM

And now Mike Trout has been accused of finding a loophole to take HGH.

Just shut down MLB now.

pg1067 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 17, 2020, 09:55:58 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on January 16, 2020, 07:37:03 PM

And now Mike Trout has been accused of finding a loophole to take HGH.

Just shut down MLB now.

Accused by the son of a former MLB player who has absolutely no basis in reality for what he claimed. Sounds like someone wants his 15 minutes of fame.

JayOctavarium · « **Reply #29 on:** January 17, 2020, 02:23:05 PM »

https://twitter.com/sweet_baby_j_21/status/1218199414797410305?s=19

romdrums · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2020, 08:56:01 AM »

pg1067 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2020, 10:27:38 AM »

HOF inductees announced today.

I believe voters can vote for up to 10 candidates, so I marked those I'd vote for if I had a vote.

Returning Candidates
Curt Schilling
Roger Clemens
Barry Bonds
Larry Walker
Omar Vizquel
Manny Ramirez
Jeff Kent
Scott Rolen
Billy Wagner
Todd Helton
Gary Sheffield
Andy Pettitte
Sammy Sosa
Andruw Jones

First-Timers
Derek Jeter
Bobby Abreu
Jason Giambi
Cliff Lee
Rafael Furcal
Eric Chavez
Josh Beckett
Brian Roberts
Alfonso Soriano
Carlos Pena
Paul Konerko
Chone Figgins
Raul Ibanez
Brad Penny
Adam Dunn
J.J. Putz
Jose Valverde
Heath Bell

Helton and Walker are right on the cusp. I heard some well thought out arguments for Rolen yesterday, but I just can't do it. I also can't let Vizquel in based solely on defense. Jeter is the only first-timer who even comes close to moving the needle for me.

KevShmev · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2020, 10:56:20 AM »

Rolen is arguably the greatest defensive third baseman ever (or 2nd behind Mike Schmidt). He should be a lock.

Baseball HoF voters are dopes.

Cool Chris · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2020, 11:17:39 AM »

Brooks Robinson called and would like a word with you about defense at 3rd.

I used to follow MLB HoF closely and with interest. No longer.

KevShmev · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2020, 11:50:50 AM »

Forgot about Brooks Robinson, but Rolen is certainly in the conversation for best defensive third baseman ever. But voters have shown that they don't care about defense. Keith Hernandez won 11 Gold Gloves and was an MVP once (and once kissed Elaine Benes), and he can't get in either.

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Author Topic: 2022 MLB Thread formerly the 2021 thread.. (Read 72366 times)