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« Reply #70 on: August 06, 2020, 07:29:59 PM »
So JP might use an 8-string for the next DT album? Which he confirmed they will start working on it in the fall.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/john_petrucci_explains_why_he_left_ibanez_announces_plan_to_use_8-string_guitar_on_new_dream_theater.html

I really don't want him to use an 8 on any DT album.  Solo album/project, for sure, but not for DT.

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« Reply #71 on: August 07, 2020, 04:23:12 AM »
So JP might use an 8-string for the next DT album? Which he confirmed they will start working on it in the fall.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/john_petrucci_explains_why_he_left_ibanez_announces_plan_to_use_8-string_guitar_on_new_dream_theater.html

I really don't want him to use an 8 on any DT album.  Solo album/project, for sure, but not for DT.
I'm sure that when DT recorded Awake 26 years ago, people said that too about him using a 7-string. And then out came The Mirror and everyone loved it.
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« Reply #72 on: August 07, 2020, 06:59:53 AM »
I can see him doing some interesting rhythm stuff with an 8-string, I just hope he doesn't fall into a "chugging" hole.
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« Reply #73 on: August 07, 2020, 07:02:58 AM »
I would be really (as in: really) surprised if he did fall into that hole. He has such a strong penchant for melodies and melodic soloing. Take this with a grain of salt though, I'm not a guitarist.
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« Reply #74 on: August 07, 2020, 12:25:59 PM »
I can see him doing some interesting rhythm stuff with an 8-string, I just hope he doesn't fall into a "chugging" hole.

Even Kiko Loureiro who is an amazing guitar player with a great sense of melody fell a little bit into the chugga chugga realm on an 8 string for his latest solo album, so I'm really hoping JP/DT doesn't.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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« Reply #75 on: August 07, 2020, 02:20:54 PM »
So JP might use an 8-string for the next DT album? Which he confirmed they will start working on it in the fall.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/john_petrucci_explains_why_he_left_ibanez_announces_plan_to_use_8-string_guitar_on_new_dream_theater.html

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It is certainly possible to make some interesting use with an 8-string guitar, although I am unaware.  :lol

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« Reply #76 on: August 07, 2020, 02:22:45 PM »
I can see him doing some interesting rhythm stuff with an 8-string, I just hope he doesn't fall into a "chugging" hole.

Even Kiko Loureiro who is an amazing guitar player with a great sense of melody fell a little bit into the chugga chugga realm on an 8 string for his latest solo album, so I'm really hoping JP/DT doesn't.

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« Reply #77 on: August 07, 2020, 04:40:55 PM »
I'm sure that when DT recorded Awake 26 years ago, people said that too about him using a 7-string. And then out came The Mirror and everyone loved it.

Na, apples and oranges, when the 7 came out "real" players were experimenting with it and what i can do, but that was 26 years ago when 7s were rare.  Now everyone and their Youtube shred-dog can have an 8 and they all end up just chugging along.  It'll sound just like every other player with an 8.  We'll see.


I can see him doing some interesting rhythm stuff with an 8-string, I just hope he doesn't fall into a "chugging" hole.

I guess that's my biggest objection to using an 8.  It's so difficult to have any separation in the low notes that even when you're playing different ones it's they mostly sound the same unless you're playing notes at least 3 frets away from each other.

However, if there's anyone around that I have hope for NOT being a chuggernaut, it's JP.

My other objection is what happens to the bass?  What's the point of even having a bass player if you're guitars are playing that low (eg. Animals as Leaders)?

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« Reply #78 on: August 10, 2020, 09:32:55 AM »
Logically speaking, JM would then have to use more of the upper range of his 6 string basses, I might be wrong though. (I had this concept in mind when I thought about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_crossing, it's a Bach thing amongst others)
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« Reply #79 on: August 31, 2020, 08:10:17 AM »
Listen to both SA and TV this morning. Wondered how I would rank each song from both albums combined and here is what I came up with. 1-3 was really easy to pick, 4-14 was difficult because I think all those piece are good. #14 could've easily been a top 7. #4 could've easily been drop to #10 or lower. But as of right now, this is what I got.

1)   Glassgow Kiss
2)   Happy Song
3)   Gemini
4)   Damage Control
5)   Glassy-Eyed Zombies
6)   Lost Without You
7)   Snake In My Boot
8)   Terminal Velocity
9)   Tunnel Vision
10)   Animate-Inanimate
11)   Out of the Blue (reminds me a lot of "Tender Surrender" by Steve Vai)
12)   Jaws of Life
13)   The Oddfather (Reminds me of Lost Not Forgotten)
14)   Temple of Circadia (The Dark Eternal Night meets Fall Into The Light)
15)   Curve
16)   The way things fall
17)   Wishful Thinking
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« Reply #80 on: August 31, 2020, 01:45:46 PM »
Hasn't JP already floated the idea of an 8-string around before D/T? I seem to be misremembering this, but anyway. If he wants one, it's because he wants to do some of the stuff that's already done with those, in his own way. Whatever his own way is remains to be seen but if you have an opposition to this I don't know if he's able to do enough things differently to change your mind.

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Re: THE John Petrucci thread
« Reply #81 on: August 31, 2020, 02:08:19 PM »
So JP might use an 8-string for the next DT album? Which he confirmed they will start working on it in the fall.

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/interviews/john_petrucci_explains_why_he_left_ibanez_announces_plan_to_use_8-string_guitar_on_new_dream_theater.html
Hasn't he said things like that for the last several albums?

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« Reply #82 on: September 01, 2020, 05:15:28 AM »
Yeah this same exact discussion happened before the release of D/T  :lol Comparisons with The Mirror and all
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« Reply #83 on: September 01, 2020, 06:05:08 AM »
Didn't JP mention in a recent interview that he and EBMM are working on a sig eight string?
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« Reply #84 on: September 01, 2020, 06:33:45 AM »
Didn't JP mention in a recent interview that he and EBMM are working on a sig eight string?
yes he did (IIRC, that is, not sure)
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« Reply #85 on: September 01, 2020, 07:56:21 AM »
IIRC, he mentioned of there being a talk about an 8-string guitar but never confirmed they were working on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF39uABIQk4&feature=emb_title

Around 8:45 of that video, he mentioned he has thought about it and probably will develop one. years later he alluded to talking with Ernie Ball about design and how to go about an 8 string guitar. But I think now he said they are working on it already, but I might be wrong.
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« Reply #86 on: September 01, 2020, 10:09:18 AM »
I'm sure that when DT recorded Awake 26 years ago, people said that too about him using a 7-string. And then out came The Mirror and everyone loved it.

I just happened upon this post and wanted to assure you that NOT everyone loved The Mirror.
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« Reply #87 on: September 01, 2020, 10:49:47 AM »
I'm sure that when DT recorded Awake 26 years ago, people said that too about him using a 7-string. And then out came The Mirror and everyone loved it.

I just happened upon this post and wanted to assure you that NOT everyone loved The Mirror.
OK, everyone but you loved The Mirror.
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« Reply #88 on: September 01, 2020, 10:55:03 AM »
I'm sure that when DT recorded Awake 26 years ago, people said that too about him using a 7-string. And then out came The Mirror and everyone loved it.

I just happened upon this post and wanted to assure you that NOT everyone loved The Mirror.

Agreed!
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« Reply #89 on: September 01, 2020, 11:22:29 AM »
I'm sure that when DT recorded Awake 26 years ago, people said that too about him using a 7-string. And then out came The Mirror and everyone loved it.

I just happened upon this post and wanted to assure you that NOT everyone loved The Mirror.

Agreed!
OK then, fair enough. I know I liked it. (not right away though, took me some getting used to, have to admit. I loved hearing it live on the Along For The Ride Tour in 2014 though.)
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« Reply #90 on: September 01, 2020, 04:27:52 PM »
I'd gladly welcome an 8 string on a song or two.
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« Reply #91 on: September 04, 2020, 10:22:19 AM »
IIRC, he mentioned of there being a talk about an 8-string guitar but never confirmed they were working on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF39uABIQk4&feature=emb_title

Around 8:45 of that video, he mentioned he has thought about it and probably will develop one. years later he alluded to talking with Ernie Ball about design and how to go about an 8 string guitar. But I think now he said they are working on it already, but I might be wrong.
Thanks for the link!  That is a cool interview, but I saw a recent interview about his new solo album and he mentioned the eight string being developed. I don't have the link though..
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« Reply #92 on: October 02, 2020, 12:05:53 PM »
Well now, never thought you needed it, but the JP signature model beard oil is here...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nWEj8czolRk
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« Reply #93 on: October 02, 2020, 12:18:22 PM »
Well now, never thought you needed it, but the JP signature model beard oil is here...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nWEj8czolRk

Reminds me of:

It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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« Reply #94 on: October 02, 2020, 06:33:38 PM »
Well now, never thought you needed it, but the JP signature model beard oil is here...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nWEj8czolRk

It's funny, it would be exactly the same as every other beard product out there, yet, I'd still buy it.  Any chance to feel more manly should not be overlooked.
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« Reply #95 on: October 15, 2020, 10:53:02 PM »
A question for all Petrucci enthusiasts! :)

In Rock Discipline when John is showing his rig and guitars, he has this red-coloured ibanez.
Does anyone know what the model is? Any pics of the guitar?

Here is the Psycho exercises video where you can see the guitar  ;D
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« Reply #96 on: March 08, 2021, 06:00:03 AM »
Just watched a recent interview with JP, within the last month or so. Was very happy to hear him say his biggest pet peeve when it comes to guitar is all the blowhard elitists who say technical players can’t have “feel”. He does a great job of explaining why it’s so ignorant.

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« Reply #97 on: March 08, 2021, 09:41:22 AM »
Just watched a recent interview with JP, within the last month or so. Was very happy to hear him say his biggest pet peeve when it comes to guitar is all the blowhard elitists who say technical players can’t have “feel”. He does a great job of explaining why it’s so ignorant.
I saw that yesterday.  Needless to say, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
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« Reply #98 on: March 08, 2021, 01:35:01 PM »
Just watched a recent interview with JP, within the last month or so. Was very happy to hear him say his biggest pet peeve when it comes to guitar is all the blowhard elitists who say technical players can’t have “feel”. He does a great job of explaining why it’s so ignorant.

Yeah I watched that one too.  Good stuff.
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« Reply #99 on: March 09, 2021, 03:56:01 AM »
Which interview is this guys?
Anyone have the link?
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« Reply #100 on: November 06, 2021, 07:03:11 PM »
https://www.guitarworld.com/features/john-petrucci-dream-theater-view-from-the-top-of-the-world



I have been saying for years, often falling on deaf ears, that I hear so much Gary Moore in John's playing, yet I've never heard JP mention Gary before.

Until today!

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« Reply #101 on: November 06, 2021, 10:03:35 PM »
"The guitarist also partnered with Iron Smoke Distillery to introduce his first signature bourbon whiskey (Rock the Barrel), and he even came out with his own brand of grooming products. Yes, you read that right: Petrucci’s Nebula line, developed in collaboration with Captain Fawcett, includes beard balm, beard oil and mustache wax."

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« Reply #102 on: November 07, 2021, 12:03:31 PM »
I'm sure that when DT recorded Awake 26 years ago, people said that too about him using a 7-string. And then out came The Mirror and everyone loved it.

Na, apples and oranges, when the 7 came out "real" players were experimenting with it and what i can do, but that was 26 years ago when 7s were rare.  Now everyone and their Youtube shred-dog can have an 8 and they all end up just chugging along.  It'll sound just like every other player with an 8.  We'll see.


I can see him doing some interesting rhythm stuff with an 8-string, I just hope he doesn't fall into a "chugging" hole.

I guess that's my biggest objection to using an 8.  It's so difficult to have any separation in the low notes that even when you're playing different ones it's they mostly sound the same unless you're playing notes at least 3 frets away from each other.

However, if there's anyone around that I have hope for NOT being a chuggernaut, it's JP.

My other objection is what happens to the bass?  What's the point of even having a bass player if you're guitars are playing that low (eg. Animals as Leaders)?
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« Reply #103 on: December 17, 2021, 10:39:10 AM »
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I'm honestly much more interested in the backing track, which sounds more like a new JP solo track we've never heard before :eek
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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« Reply #104 on: December 17, 2021, 11:49:15 AM »
That was a pretty good track  :metal

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