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Re: NBA thread 2019-2020
« Reply #105 on: November 07, 2019, 03:32:31 PM »
Maybe.  Maybe not.  Different eras, different types of players, so I couldn't really feel like I was doing either player justice to try to compare. 
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« Reply #106 on: November 07, 2019, 05:56:14 PM »
And just think, I have seen some (not here, but elsewhere) suggest that Green was more important to the Warriors than Klay Thompson the last five years. :lol :lol :lol :lol

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« Reply #107 on: November 07, 2019, 06:14:29 PM »
A reddit user found a correlation between James Harden’s lack of performance on the road and the quality of strips clubs in that city....

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« Reply #108 on: November 09, 2019, 09:40:10 AM »
"Oh, so that's why you wanted D'Angelo Russell so bad."  :lol

Thank God for Andrew Wiggins. Losing to the Warriors with their current active roster would have been an embarrassment. Worried about Towns though. Jeff Teague was out with sickness (guessing the flu, it has been two straight games), and you could Towns was not feeling well. he wouldn't get in the face of his teammates, and waved everyone off except for some fist bumps. Wolves have a back to back against Denver and Detroit on Sunday/Monday. Need the big fella.
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« Reply #109 on: November 09, 2019, 05:34:39 PM »
Dammit Gordon Hayward breaks his left hand. He's been playing so well so far this year. Finally seemed fully recovered.
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« Reply #110 on: November 09, 2019, 11:02:02 PM »
Seriously Tim. I feel so bad for him.
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« Reply #111 on: November 10, 2019, 05:20:35 AM »
Yeah, that kinda fucking blows.  Never want to see that for any player, let alone an A-list talent.
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« Reply #112 on: November 10, 2019, 05:39:14 AM »
I was trying to look it up but didn’t see anything. Did he ever had any major injuries while in Utah?

Hope he recovers quickly.
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« Reply #113 on: November 10, 2019, 01:02:01 PM »
Dammit Gordon Hayward breaks his left hand. He's been playing so well so far this year. Finally seemed fully recovered.

That sucks. The guy was certainly at the top of his game this year after his horrible injury. Sucks. Three month minimum, still a chance to come back this year.
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« Reply #114 on: November 14, 2019, 07:02:18 PM »
Carmelo Anthony is signing with the Blazers for a non-guaranteed contract. This is, IMO, likely his final chance to be playing in the NBA...  :hat
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« Reply #115 on: November 14, 2019, 07:14:18 PM »
Good for him, I’m glad he is getting another chance. He better bring his A game though.
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« Reply #116 on: November 14, 2019, 07:22:49 PM »
Good for him, I’m glad he is getting another chance. He better bring his A game though.

I do not expect much from him at all. He left behind not one but TWO great situations in OKC and then Houston, I just don't see him being remotely good in Portland. After all I just expect much from a 35-year-old jump shooter who plays virtually no D  :natalieportman:
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« Reply #117 on: November 15, 2019, 05:24:22 AM »
Yeah OKC I think was his greatest opportunity. And I don’t mean his A game as in 2010 Melo. I expect him to get 15 minutes at most maybe averaging 10 points. He just better make those minutes count because with a Non-guarantee contract, I’m sure the Blazers will have no problem cutting him off if it doesn’t work out.
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« Reply #118 on: November 15, 2019, 08:29:46 AM »
If Melo has truly embraced a stretch-4 role, and has made the mental shift from primary option to a role player who gets no plays called for him, it could work well. He's not a defensive liability as a 4. He's a liability as a 3 -- too slow. Although in this era of switching, he could be exploited. I guess we'll find out.

IMO, Melo is a Hall of Famer. I just hope this one last hurrah is worth it, and doesn't further taint his legacy as the stops in OKC and Houston did. Again, "taint his legacy" is my opinion. Obviously, people may differ.
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« Reply #119 on: November 15, 2019, 12:43:12 PM »
I think that Melo will make the Hall of Fame, but I was never a big fan of his, personally. Too many long-range jumpers for my taste, and he didn't bring much to the table outside of scoring. Will be interested to see how he adjusts his game in Portland.
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« Reply #120 on: November 15, 2019, 12:48:12 PM »

IMO, Melo is a Hall of Famer.

He is?
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« Reply #121 on: November 15, 2019, 07:18:33 PM »

IMO, Melo is a Hall of Famer.

He is?

He'll probably make it, with voters citing his gold medals as a big reason why (when you could have put any good NBA player on those teams and they win the gold), but I don't think he should.  Remove him from the history of the NBA and nothing changes.  Hard to say someone is a Hall of Famer when that is the case.

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« Reply #122 on: November 15, 2019, 08:18:03 PM »
He shouldn't be.
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« Reply #123 on: November 15, 2019, 08:19:38 PM »
Well, the 4 Golds might be a thing. Remember it's the Basketball HOF, NOT the NBA HOF. But he's just not an HOFer in my book.
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« Reply #124 on: November 18, 2019, 08:28:06 AM »
Hard to believe you guys don't look at Melo's stats, and come to the same conclusion. Particularly in an era where stats are more important than winning.

Melo has scored more than 25,500 points in 16+ seasons. An average of 24 ppg. He's been an All-Star selection 12 times. He's been on an All-NBA team seven times. And as you've mentioned, the gold medals. On that alone, his statistical qualifications put him by far and away higher than a ton of people already in the BB HOF.

People forget that just because Carmelo has never won a championship, it doesn't mean that should keep him from the Hall. Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton -- all first to come to my mind. All of them, HOFers. And if you look at stats...he's actually on par with all of them.

The difference is, Melo played in a bridge era from those guys, to this new system of no mid-range shots that started five years ago. Melo is a relic in this era. Hopefully, he caps off his career this season with a productive run (losing to the Wolves, of course), and calls it a career. But he's a sure-fire Hall of Famer, and people who don't think so, need to go look at his stats in comparison to others from his era.
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« Reply #125 on: November 18, 2019, 09:47:44 AM »
Stats are more important than winning?  Nope, not at all. This ain't baseball. :P

Ewing, Barkley, Malone and Stockton all played in the finals.  Carmelo Anthony's stats were so empty that he played six full seasons in NY, won one playoff series, and missed the playoffs in three of them...in the East (which was the weaker conference at the time).  His teams made it out of the first round in his entire career twice.  TWICE!  That is pathetic.

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« Reply #126 on: November 18, 2019, 01:03:27 PM »
Stats are more important than winning?  Nope, not at all. This ain't baseball. :P

Ewing, Barkley, Malone and Stockton all played in the finals.  Carmelo Anthony's stats were so empty that he played six full seasons in NY, won one playoff series, and missed the playoffs in three of them...in the East (which was the weaker conference at the time).  His teams made it out of the first round in his entire career twice.  TWICE!  That is pathetic.

Penalizing a player whose teams weren't good enough for them to compete in the NBA Finals is wrong. How about Chris Mullin? Never played in an NBA Finals. One of my favorites of all time. Hall of Famer. Another favorite who never played in an NBA Finals - Bernard King. Hall of Famer. Guess who is statistically a better player? Carmelo Anthony.

Look, I don't have a horse in the Melo race. He played for my second favorite and hometown team, The Knicks. But when that trade went down with Denver, I was against it. I wanted to develop the young pieces the Knicks had. Do the rebuild the right way. Unfortunately, Dolan is an ass, and made Donnie Walsh make the deal. That said, to deny the HOF worthiness of Carmelo Anthony just isn't logical.

He's a Hall of Fame player whose career bridge two different eras of the sport, and ultimately, this current era isn't ideal for his type of game. Carmelo is an old school scorer. He's not a stretch-4. He's a traditional scoring SF who was forced his last two years (OKC and Houston) due to age and the era in which he plays, to become a spot up shooter. It's time for Melo to retire, and it has been since the final year with the Knicks.

If people remember, Melo outright refused to play the PF position with the Knicks. Because he knew that his game would suffer. He's not a spacer. He's a ball dominant SF who needs the ball in the mid-range. Once the Knicks and Melo parted, he was forced to adapt -- and he didn't.

He's a relic, but a much worthy Hall of Fame level player. Period.
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« Reply #127 on: November 19, 2019, 10:13:08 PM »
Words are the Lakers and the Warriors are fighting to sign this kid right now!  :metal  :lol  :hefdaddy

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« Reply #128 on: November 20, 2019, 06:57:53 PM »
Luka Doncic is incredible.

That is all.

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« Reply #129 on: November 20, 2019, 07:37:54 PM »
Luka Doncic is incredible.

That is all.

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« Reply #130 on: November 20, 2019, 07:40:05 PM »
Luka Doncic is incredible.

That is all.

Luka will become the absolute BEST player in the league in a tear or 2.
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« Reply #131 on: November 21, 2019, 10:12:13 AM »
If Luka gets his body right, and barring injury, he'll be top-20, all-time. Yeah, I'm going there. He is THAT good. You can see he has that special touch on his shot. Ala Jordan, Bird, Curry...you know when it is going in. And if you know hoops But ONLY if he takes Lebron's approach to fitness. Like any 19 or 20 year old, he loves fast food and doesn't eat well. That has to change. But seriously the dude is SPECIAL. He has the whole package...at 20 years old. No weaknesses, other than fitness. Crazy.

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« Reply #132 on: November 22, 2019, 08:00:39 PM »
Kemba Walker taken off on a stretcher. Fucking scary as shit.
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« Reply #133 on: November 23, 2019, 05:05:44 PM »
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2863971-woj-nba-discussing-shorter-schedule-play-in-postseason-tournament-more

I am all for the conference finals reseeding and play-in tournament... but I am not sure about the in season tournament to create more "championship chances". What are your thoughts?
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« Reply #134 on: November 25, 2019, 07:42:47 AM »
I am fine with conference reseeding and a shorter season (though what's 4 games really going to do except eliminate back to back games?).

Now, Play-in Tournament...I'm not so sure about. I get the appeal of it, but how often do we have an 8 seed advancing to the 2nd round? or even to conference finals? I understand that for the NBA, that would create more "drama" at the end of the regular season where more often than not, the last few games mean nothing to most teams. Play-in tournament would raise the stakes for seeds 7 and 8 that don't have a guarantee spot for the playoffs. This would generate more views for the NBA, fans of those teams seeded 9 or 10 have something to look forward to, and again, more "drama". I understand why they would want to do it, but I would rather do seeds 1-16 than play-in tournament.
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« Reply #135 on: November 25, 2019, 08:52:44 AM »
I'm not sure I understand what is being proposed. Here is what I *DO* understand, hopefully some of you can explain the rest:

1. Shorten the "regular season" to 78 games (does this include the mid-season tournament being talked about?)

2. Once we're down to four teams total, those teams get re-seeded, so 1 plays 4, 2 plays 3 (I think). Anyone know how the re-seeding would be determined?

3. Seeds 9 and 10 at the end of the season are essentially wild card entries who play one another to have to play the eighth seed of the play-in tournament, to determine the final (8th) seed for the playoffs.

4. Playoffs then continue as we know them, until the conference finals?

>>>Doesn't this seem convoluted? Are there any details about what the mid-season tournament actually DOES for playoff chances? This seems like a little much, but I am not understanding it all.

There has to be a simpler way. Just reorganize the schedule like this:

Do away with "conference" and "division."

Every team plays each other twice.

The first half of the season is complete once each team plays against one another once. 29 games.

All Star Break (approx. one week)

The second half of the season is complete once each team plays against one another for a final time. 29 games.

Post Season Break (approx. one week)

The top-20 teams are then ranked by record and tiebreakers (to be determined).

But instead of it being single-elimination, the teams play best-of-three series:

#1 plays #20, #2 plays #19, etc.

In total, you could have a team playing 88 total games if every series went to 3 games. The 10 teams who didn't make the playoffs have played 58 games. So you reduce the total number of games overall for most teams. But then you have some new excitement, and add FOUR teams to the playoff structure overall.

I am sure there are problems with this model, but it would be exciting for sure. And teams are less inclined, I think, to do "Load Management."
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« Reply #136 on: November 25, 2019, 11:20:04 AM »
1. Shorten the "regular season" to 78 games (does this include the mid-season tournament being talked about?)

No, those 78 games do not include the mid-season tournament. While I understand why Silver wants to do that, I don't think it fits the current NBA model.

2. Once we're down to four teams total, those teams get re-seeded, so 1 plays 4, 2 plays 3 (I think). Anyone know how the re-seeding would be determined?

Season record. That way, if the 2 best records during the season were in the west, you could have both teams meet in the finals.


3. Seeds 9 and 10 at the end of the season are essentially wild card entries who play one another to have to play the eighth seed of the play-in tournament, to determine the final (8th) seed for the playoffs.

7 and 8 play a game. The winner goes into the playoffs. Then 9 and 10 play a game and the winner goes against the loser of the other game for that final spot.  Not sure if that is what you meant in your post but it seems that way.


Regarding your suggestion of just playing each other team 2 times during the season, that's a lot less games than we have now and that would mean shaving off a ton of money of the TV contracts. The 78 games they are proposing + the mid-season tournament + the additional games to get the 7th and 8th seed probably land the same number of games we have right now.
As far as playoffs seeding, this new thing they will try out might end up leading to a system where the playoffs are not decided by conference but we will need to wait and see what happens there.
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« Reply #137 on: November 25, 2019, 11:48:40 AM »
Thank god the Raps have had a relatively easy schedule while Lowry/Ibaka were injured.  At least the B-team is winning against these sub-.500 teams that they're playing.  Five of their next nine are against top-of-the-league teams.  Should be a good litmus test for them.
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« Reply #138 on: November 25, 2019, 01:17:54 PM »
Thank god the Raps have had a relatively easy schedule while Lowry/Ibaka were injured.  At least the B-team is winning against these sub-.500 teams that they're playing.  Five of their next nine are against top-of-the-league teams.  Should be a good litmus test for them.

I've been impressed with the Raptors. Siakim has shown further growth being a #1 option and handling being doubled. VanVleet (got it right) is making people pay. I still don't see them coming out of the East, but they absolutely could do it. Philly is beatable, as is Milwaukee.
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« Reply #139 on: November 25, 2019, 08:31:30 PM »
The C's have been fighting through adversity.   I like that a ton. It's not pretty but is shows what their made of.
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