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Re: Joker Movie
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2019, 09:28:04 PM »
It's not that confusing, but I'll break it down.

Starting with Man of Steel, DC has created an in-continuity universe. Similar to the MCU. It's not great, but it's meant to largely be mostly cohesive.

So any DC live action movie after Man of Steel takes place within that universe. Inside that universe, Jared Leto is the Joker. A terrible one, but whatever.

This movie is just...outside of that. So it is totally unconnected. They are not rebooting the Joker (in universe, since they are not creating a new universe of films), they are simply doing a stand-alone movie with a different vision.

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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2019, 09:40:48 PM »
Yes that actually does make sense, thank you! (now please explain the current issue revolving around the Golan Heights just as succinctly... :))

I had to look up MCU, that is how out of touch I am.

I appreciate that someone is trying to create a universe with continuity, but I also am sympathetic to the point Bosk brought up. But like him, I will also accept that as my issue.

But here is a question... does DC own the rights to the Joker? If so, why are they creating multiple movies with multiple visions for a character? (revenue, I know...)
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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2019, 10:48:14 PM »
Here's a ripple though.....

Don't think for ONE SECOND that if Joker is a major hit, that they won't start thinking about retconning Joaquin's version into the DECU and pretending like Leto's version never existed.

Money talks.   
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« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2019, 10:49:52 PM »
Here's a ripple though.....

Don't think for ONE SECOND that if Joker is a major hit, that they won't start thinking about retconning Joaquin's version into the DECU and pretending like Leto's version never existed.

Money talks.

Nah.
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« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2019, 10:53:03 PM »
Here's a ripple though.....

Don't think for ONE SECOND that if Joker is a major hit, that they won't start thinking about retconning Joaquin's version into the DECU and pretending like Leto's version never existed.

Money talks.

Nah.

You watch.   *IF* Joker makes more money than Venom, I'll bet money that they will at least start talking about it.   Whether Joaquin will agree to it or not is another story.
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Re: Joker Movie
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2019, 10:55:12 PM »
Well none of us will have any idea what they talk about. But nah.

Joker is set in the 80s. So unless they’re going for a 70 something year old Joker.

One idea I had years ago was to make Leto a joker wannabe, imitating the real joker.. I guess if they got super lame, they could do that with Joaquin’s Joker, but at no point will they just switch them out. Sorry. 
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« Reply #41 on: April 07, 2019, 06:54:21 AM »
Right now continuity is out the door as they reboot the whole series kicking out Snyder.
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« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2019, 08:33:13 AM »
They're not rebooting anything. They're just doing something new. They're breaking continuity and allowing a personal a film maker to make his own interpretation of the character. . . .

They do this stuff in comics all the time. You'll get a random story about someone that is totally out of continuity and is just a writer/artist exploring a neat story that couldn't be told in the main universe.

I was going to mention this point in my earlier post, but by the time I had it written, I just didn't think this needed to be said. 

Acknowledged that, yes, they DO do this kind of thing all the time in the comics.  And it annoyed me in that format as well.  To me, it takes away from the realism and takes away from the stakes when there really is NOT any set "canon" for any given character, and he/she can just be reinterpreted and reimagined endlessly whenever a new author comes onboard with a different vision for who and what the character should be.  I liked way back when Magneto evolved over a long period of time from being just an evil supervillain, to being sympathetic, to coming over to the "good" side and running Xavier's school, to back to the dark side again, and on and on.  It was one character that changed, grew, and evolved, and you could follow that.  It wasn't simply different version of the character where, for that story arc, previous versions of the character didn't exist.  And because of that, his story arc had stakes and gravitas.  When a character is rewritten and rewritten and the audience is left guessing which parts of past story arcs "exist" in any given timeline, the stakes don't matter nearly as much, and the confusion is real, even if the intent is clearly supposed to be "don't be confused--just treat this as a brand new story about a brand new character where nothing you have read or seen before exists."
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Re: Joker Movie
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2019, 09:34:51 AM »
The Joker is a standalone film. However, as I mentioned earlier, they ARE rebooting Batman next year. 2020 release, written and directed by Matt Reeves. IF the Joker film is successful, and IF the new Batman film is successful, I think the two will combine after that.

As jammindude said, money talks, and at that point, if they have a legit success on their hands, they'll scramble to maximize the profitability. The DCU is in shambles, and everyone can see it. Fanboys can say all they want, but Justice League, and the whole convoluted stuff they did was in response to the MCU having so much success. DC got on board late, and then tried playing catch up.

This Joker movie, and the new Batman movie, are their attempt to reboot and do something different. Sorta how Deadpool is set apart to a degree, although they mixed in some X-men stuff.

The Dark Knight Trilogy was a standalone because Nolan refused to taint it. My thought is, DC finally realized they blew something great with the Nolan trilogy, and are now trying to do something different so they can be a bit more original. But time will tell.

Again, its ALWAYS about money for these studios. If The Joker and The Batman are successful, the studios will do whatever they can to maximize profit. It'll be interesting to see if The Joker gets an "R" rating. I hope it does.
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Re: Joker Movie
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2019, 09:42:14 AM »
As jammindude said, money talks, and at that point, if they have a legit success on their hands, they'll scramble to maximize the profitability. The DCU is in shambles, and everyone can see it. Fanboys can say all they want, but Justice League, and the whole convoluted stuff they did was in response to the MCU having so much success. DC got on board late, and then tried playing catch up.

And even coming into it late, they STILL could have had something successful if they had put out quality films.  Yeah, it would still have been endlessly compared to the MCU and would still likely be largely seen as being of inferior quality in comparison.  But "less quality by comparison" and "poor quality" are two different things.  Unfortunately, the DCU fell into the latter category.  THAT was their biggest problem.  Or, at least, it is the biggest problem that was within their control.
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Re: Joker Movie
« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2019, 09:45:49 AM »
Well Wonder Woman did great and WW 1984 hopefully with continue this trend.  Shazam is getting very good reviews so hopefully this trend continues.
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Re: Joker Movie
« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2019, 10:00:01 AM »
I'm really curious to see if The Joker movie will introduce re-boots of characters such as Gordon. If it does, I think that signals that it and The Batman will be connected.
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« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2019, 10:06:28 AM »
Well Wonder Woman did great and WW 1984 hopefully with continue this trend.  Shazam is getting very good reviews so hopefully this trend continues.

Oh, sure.  No argument about WW.  I think that, in terms of being a "quality movie," I think many would say it is comparable to the middle-of-the-road MCU films and doesn't touch their best.  But whatever our particular rankings might be, you will get no disagreement from me that it was a good film.  But it is one out of how many in the DCU, the rest of which were NOT good?  The fact that WW stands as such a stark contrast with the rest of the DCU is basically a testament to how bad the DCU in general is, which is what I'm saying. 

As far as Shazam, I can't speak to how good it is, since I haven't seen it.  But assuming for argument's sake that it is VERY good, in terms of boosting the OVERALL quality of the DCU as a whole, I don't think it helps because (1) correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it is part of the connected DCU, is it?  Isn't it just a "standalone" film?  (2) most importantly, even if it is part of the connected DCU, it's kind of "too little too late" in terms of the overall universe's reputation. 
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Re: Joker Movie
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2019, 10:36:31 AM »
No it's part DCU.  I don't want to spoil anything for you in the credit scenes but there is a connection.
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Re: Joker Movie
« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2019, 10:40:18 AM »
I'm not worried about spoilers because (1) I'm not sure if or when I'm going to see it, and (2) I'm not emotionally invested in the DCU nearly enough to care about spoilers.
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« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2019, 10:42:09 AM »
I'm not worried about spoilers because (1) I'm not sure if or when I'm going to see it, and (2) I'm not emotionally invested in the DCU nearly enough to care about spoilers.

Pulled from the Wiki page. SPOILERS obviously. Put in tiny font:

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Shazam and his family are hailed as heroes, and Billy embraces his foster family as his true family. The family return the Eye of Sin to the Rock of Eternity, and realize they can use the Rock as their secret lair. Billy also shows up at school as Shazam to endorse Freddy before revealing he also brought a friend: Superman.

In a mid-credits scene, an imprisoned Sivana is recruited into a partnership with the caterpillar-like creature Mister Mind. In a post-credits scene, Freddy tests whether Shazam can talk to fish, citing Aquaman, only for Shazam to dismiss the power as stupid.
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