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If you see that one man is violently beating up some girl/woman on the street, would you personally react and try to stop him?
What would you do?


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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2019, 03:36:44 PM »
Yes.


Oh, against women? No.




Obviously yes. What would I do? How the hell would I know? It's a call made in the moment.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2019, 04:03:27 PM »
The genders of the persons involved are irrelevant.  Whether I'd intervene would depend on the particular facts and circumstances.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2019, 04:07:38 PM »
Does this question even need to be asked? of course yes.

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 04:24:41 PM »
The genders of the persons involved are irrelevant.  Whether I'd intervene would depend on the particular facts and circumstances.
Mostly this. If I considered it a beating rather than a fight I'd certainly want to get involved. I'd do so very conscious of both people, though. Plenty of guys have tried to intervene in scenarios like described only to have the beaten woman smash them in the back of the head with a large, heavy object. Women are, um, unpredictable.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2019, 06:59:30 PM »
The genders of the persons involved are irrelevant.  Whether I'd intervene would depend on the particular facts and circumstances.
Mostly this. If I considered it a beating rather than a fight I'd certainly want to get involved. I'd do so very conscious of both people, though. Plenty of guys have tried to intervene in scenarios like described only to have the beaten woman smash them in the back of the head with a large, heavy object. Women are, um, unpredictable.

This.  I'm not here to swing the balance in a fight, if that's what it is.  I am here to help someone who got ambushed or is otherwise overmatched in a battle they never wanted to be in in the first place. 

How you tell that in real time?  Beats me.

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2019, 07:53:23 PM »
  If I considered it a beating rather than a fight I'd certainly want to get involved. I'd do so very conscious of both people, though. Plenty of guys have tried to intervene in scenarios like described only to have the beaten woman smash them in the back of the head with a large, heavy object. Women are, um, unpredictable.

I agree with this.  Or what if the guy is a fighter and starts pounding you in the face the second you try to help?  I know everyone is supposed to be a hero and come to the rescue, but I am not about to get a broken nose or worse. Ultimately, like others have said, it depends on the situation. 

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2019, 01:11:33 AM »
On paper, yes, regardless of the gender.

When I'm actually there? me, a shy skinny guy who never ever had a fight even at school? who knows if I could get the courage or I would be too blocked by fear.

It depends also on the actual situation, what kind of beating is going on, the place, how many people are there etc.....
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2019, 02:18:44 AM »
In an old apartment complex I lived in for a few years, I would do laps around it for a small workout.  One evening a saw a guy punch a girl in the stomach on the street outside their building.  I was SHOCKED, I couldn't believe my eyes.  She was clearly in pain.  I was across the street, not that close and I yelled and made him stop.  I didn't cross the street, I just said something like "hey man stop thats wrong" and he threatened me but did stop.  The girl said thank you and they went inside.  I couldn't stop thinking after if I made things worse or if I helped out, like did they go inside and he beat her worse or did he calm down and they actually stopped? 

In the end, I feel like I'd do the same thing if I had witnessed something that was flat out wrong and hurtful to someone, it's very hard to just ignore something like that.

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2019, 04:24:16 AM »
But what if that violent bully is some maniac who has a knife or maybe even a gun in his pocket? You can never know.
I think the best option in those cases is calling the cops.






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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2019, 09:59:00 AM »
Cram I think you did the ideal thing- when people know they're being watched, unless they're methed out or something, they'll probably stop. I probably wouldn't jump into the middle of a fight for multiple reasons (potential weapons, I'm not super strong) but you can make your presence known, even if that means saying "hey motherfucker, I'm recording this and calling the cops." Sure that could backfire, so I'd probably say it from a distance and not if there was nobody else around. If it was a dark street at night, I would probably go somewhere safe and then call the cops so as not to get myself killed.
Also Barto, "women are unpredictable?" Come on. What about the guy who just started beating her up publicly? People are unpredictable. It's very possible a woman who's in an abusive relationship might defend the guy in this case, not because she's a woman and unpredictable, but because she's brainwashed and emotionally destroyed by the douchebag who has her convinced she needs him. This shit applies to all genders.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2019, 10:01:17 AM »
The genders of the persons involved are irrelevant.  Whether I'd intervene would depend on the particular facts and circumstances.

This. If I had my daughter with me, alone, I would not. I'd get us away from it. If it was with my wife and daughter, and it looked like someone was severely in trouble, I'd have my wife take her and try to end it. It's just the way I'm wired. Has happened before. It's not the smartest move, because you're never sure what someone else is capable of. But someone getting beat down, whether man or woman, is never the answer.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2019, 10:09:29 AM »
Cram I think you did the ideal thing- when people know they're being watched, unless they're methed out or something, they'll probably stop. I probably wouldn't jump into the middle of a fight for multiple reasons (potential weapons, I'm not super strong) but you can make your presence known, even if that means saying "hey motherfucker, I'm recording this and calling the cops." Sure that could backfire, so I'd probably say it from a distance and not if there was nobody else around. If it was a dark street at night, I would probably go somewhere safe and then call the cops so as not to get myself killed.
Also Barto, "women are unpredictable?" Come on. What about the guy who just started beating her up publicly? People are unpredictable. It's very possible a woman who's in an abusive relationship might defend the guy in this case, not because she's a woman and unpredictable, but because she's brainwashed and emotionally destroyed by the douchebag who has her convinced she needs him. This shit applies to all genders.
Yeah, you took that far more seriously than I intended.

And personally, I think there is an argument to be made that women are less predictable, but it's not really a factor in the point I was making, as you pointed out.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2019, 10:12:15 AM »
It's completely situational. If it's a dude that's built like a silver back gorilla and he's is whaling on a girl, I'm sorry, but not a chance.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2019, 10:15:31 AM »
I'd definitely say something at the very least, if nothing else to draw more public attention to the situation because there's no way in hell my 100lbs ass would be able to physically do anything about it.

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2019, 10:15:36 AM »
I'd call 911 to report a domestic in progress, including descriptions of both parties, and then attempt to help.


It's not just women who are "unpredictable". Any domestic incident can turn into you getting the shit kicked out of you by both parties. A couple years ago, a few guys at work got involved in something like this. There was a really popular bar and restaurant here in the vicinity of our property (Large HOA on the marina, which 2 shopping centers bordering our property). We dealt with shit flowing from the bar all the time. One of my guys came across a dude who was shit faced and beating on his girlfriend. Normally we don't get involved in shit going on on the public property, but in this case my guy decided to help her out. He yelled at him, and got him to stop... and he turned towards my guy and tried to tackle him. My guy, who was a football player in high school, dropped the guy. As he was trying to subdue the dude (the cops had been called and more of my guys were going out to back him up), his girlfriend, who was just getting the shit beat out of her, started pounding on my guy. Now she was tiny, like 5'2" and couldn't have weighed more than 110lbs, and found quickly that she can't do much damage, so she grabbed his radio (big Motorola walkie talkie) off  of my guy's belt and tried to throw it at his head. She missed, and it wound up in the marina. By that time, the cops were showing up and they took care of everything.

Basically what I am trying to say is people are crazy. 
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2019, 10:22:08 AM »
I can say from experience before you get involved, you need to assess the situation. Don't just react without thinking. You could end up in a world of shit for trying to do the "right thing". Look to see if there are witnesses to corroborate your story should the police become involved.

Three years ago, just before Halloween, I had walked out of a bar after seeing my friend's band play and noticed an altercation between a guy and two girls who were trying to keep him from driving drunk. They had refused to give him his keys, and he went apeshit. He was throwing punches and eventually grabbed one by the hair to control her.

That is when I stepped in. I pulled the girls behind me and told them to stay there. The guy got in my face and started yelling "COME ON!! BE A MAN! TRY TO KICK MY ASS!!" I told him the only way it would happen is if he tried to touch me or the girls. He proceeded to talk more shit, then the cops showed up. They questioned the girls, and neither of them told the cops about what he did because they didn't want him to go to jail.

Now, if things had gotten physical with this guy, and I had injured him, the girls would have likely kept their mouths shut about what he did in this scenario, as well, which is something I didn't think about until afterward. I could have gone to jail for "doing the right thing".

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2019, 11:21:34 AM »
I have on a few different occassions. I once nearly beat a guy to death who had almost choked his girlfriend to death outside of a bar. She wound up with a crushed larynx, but survived. I jumped on him and pulled him off of her, and he turned on me. I beat the shit out of him, and me and two other guys held him until the police arrived and they took her, and later him, to the hospital.

I also once witnessed a domestic violence murder. One summer, about 30 years ago, I helped a friend build a massive deck in his back yard. It tooks us weeks.  His neighbor (the Mrs.) was a retired teacher from my old elementary school. I had grown up with her daughter. She was estranged from her husband of 30 years. He had worked in a nearby factory that had shut down. Throughout that summer he would occassionaly show up at the house and they would argue, and then he would leave.

This particular day, he showed up and was talking to us for a bit about the deck, and the weather, and if we'd seen his wife. We had not. Later, he as moving furniture around on the patio. We realized much later he was actually barricading the back door from the outside, so she could not run out the back door. We didn't pay too much attention to him. It technically was still his house. He was there nearly everyday. None of our business. So, we just kept working.

A short while later, she had come home; and we heard him screaming from the front of the house, "Get out of the fucking car! Now!" Then heard his wife yelling back, "No, Just leave!" Get out of here, or I'm calling the police!" He screamed, "Get out now bitch!" So, we stopped what we were doing and ran around the house. We got to my friends driveway, and she was in her stopped car along the curb in front of their house. He was trying to open her car door. Before we could say anything, or think about intervening, he pulled a 9mm from the back of his wasitband, and fired three shots into the car. Their daughter had been in the car with her mother. She immediatley jumped out of the car, and ran across the street sceaming. Her father pivoted and fired two shots at her, striking her once in the back. She continued to run and went into a neighbors unlocked front door screaming. The car, still idiling, rolled up slightly onto the curb and rolled about 40 feet down the street before coming to rest against a mailbox.

After shooting his daughter, he swung the gun around and pointed it at us. We were both, young, athletic and each holding claw hammers in our hands! We were 20 feet away from him at best. He leveled the gun at us, then calmly said, "You guys don't know the Hell she's been putting me through." Then simply dropped the pistol on the ground. We both immediately ran past him and to the car. She was already dead, and slumped over on the seat. He just stood there.

There were tons of people outside. It was the summer. Lots of witnesses. I think someone called the police when they started to argue, because it seemed like mere seconds later a patrol car came around the corner of the street sideways. To this day, it was one of the best "drifts" I've ever seen. A huge cop in our town, they called "Big John", jumped out. John was about 6'8". He pulled his pistol, and screamed, "On the ground, fruit loop! NOW!". The dude dropped to the ground, John, walked around the car, and holding the gun with his right hand, picked the dude off the ground with his left, and slammed him across the hood and seconds later, he was in cuffs. Still with one hand John picked him up by his belt, and tossed him into the back of his cruiser. 

His daughter survived, at least physically. The bullet struck her shoulder blade and fragments went into her thigh. But no permanent damage. He got 25 years to life. Looking back this guy was always known as being kind of creepy. He would leer at women and especially teenage girls. All of his daughters friends thought he was weird. At the local supermarket you'd occassionally see him trying to chat up a much younger female grocery clerk. He always gave off a perverted vibe.

Sometime in 2005 or 2006 his DNA was matched with an unsolved murder from back in 1974. Turns out, when his daughter and I were probaby 10 or 11, he had abducted , raped and killed a 15 year old girl who had hitched a ride one night after her boyfriends car had broken down, and he couldn't pick her up from work. He raped her, then beat her to death, and then dumped her body. He had bragged about it in prison, and someone ratted him out. The story matched the old cold case, and they later matched his DNA.

My friend and I testified at the first murder trial of his wife prior to the sentencing, as he'd  confessed to the actual murder. He would have been eligible for parole I think in 2022. Not now.

But, yes. If someone was harming someone else, I'd assess the situation, call 911, and definitely get involved.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2019, 11:30:49 AM »
Holy fuck
I just don't understand what they were trying to achieve with any part of the song, either individually or as a whole. You know what? It's the Platypus of Dream Theater songs. That bill doesn't go with that tail, or that strange little furry body, or those webbed feet, and oh god why does it have venomous spurs!? And then you find out it lays eggs too. The difference is that the Platypus is somehow functional despite being a crazy mishmash or leftover animal pieces

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2019, 11:46:57 AM »

Also Barto, "women are unpredictable?" Come on. What about the guy who just started beating her up publicly? People are unpredictable. It's very possible a woman who's in an abusive relationship might defend the guy in this case, not because she's a woman and unpredictable, but because she's brainwashed and emotionally destroyed by the douchebag who has her convinced she needs him. This shit applies to all genders.

Aggressor doesn't have to be her boyfriend or husband, it could be some random guy, maniac.



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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2019, 12:31:34 PM »
Nuno raised an important point. Not only do you need to be mindful of how it's reported to Johnny when he shows up, but you need to consider how things will look when he jumps out of his car screaming. I wouldn't just assume he's going to act any more rationally in the heat of the moment than the guy beating up his old lady or that woman defending her abuser. I seem to recall about six months ago a security getting shot by Johnny while subduing somebody in a similar situation. Witness accounts that you were the goodguy aren't going to keep you from bleeding to death handcuffed with a knee on the back of your neck.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
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Yes.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2019, 04:48:14 AM »
Certainly would, and I have a bunch of times.

Sometimes the defusing went surprisingly smooth, because women-beaters are fundamentally cowards at heart and you can easily shout a coward away, especially in public. Sometimes I got bruised, but - as far as I'm concerned - it's the focking price for being a decent person. One was pretty ugly, involving my sister and her (then) husband. I went Michael, my brother went Sonny, all hell broke loose.

Sure, the average Joe doesn't usually pack heat around here, so I can't really say how I would react in other settings.




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« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2019, 10:47:41 PM »
The genders of the persons involved are irrelevant.  Whether I'd intervene would depend on the particular facts and circumstances.

There are many circumstances where I would never jump in and many where I 100% would jump in.

I'm not hoping it ever happens but I'd be interested to see exactly how I would react if I came across a situation like this (or animal/child/etc abuse).  We can all talk and say we'd help but would we?

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2019, 01:15:03 AM »
Certainly would, and I have a bunch of times.

Sometimes the defusing went surprisingly smooth, because women-beaters are fundamentally cowards at heart and you can easily shout a coward away, especially in public. Sometimes I got bruised, but - as far as I'm concerned - it's the focking price for being a decent person. One was pretty ugly, involving my sister and her (then) husband. I went Michael, my brother went Sonny, all hell broke loose.

Sure, the average Joe doesn't usually pack heat around here, so I can't really say how I would react in other settings.

I never assume a situation like this can be handled with a mere shouting contest. It's best to expect the worst because it can easily happen. There is no way to determine how a complete stranger is going to react, especially one that may be drunk or high.

There is also no way to know whether the women you're trying to protect will lie their asses off to protect their boyfriend or male friend from going to jail, which could result in you going to jail or even being sued. It's actually a very strong possibility, and I'm not having my life ruined over a woman who couldn't give a shit about my well being. I don't owe that to them.

As I mentioned in my previous post, don't just physically jump in without assessing the situation and making sure there are witnesses first. If there are none, you may want to consider another course of action.

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2019, 07:18:18 AM »
That's some really wise piece of advice, mate, seriously.

Alas, in those circumstances, I found myself incapacitated to assess/assume/determine and I just reacted to an instinctive impulse to interrupt a situation I was feeling abhorrent almost on a bodily level. Reading coldly, I fully agree with your analysis, right there and then, brain turned off and probably would again.

Anyways, I need to state - especially in the case of young kids reading these boards - that in no way I feel my experience represents the best way to act in such events (in fact I would point an hypotetical son to your views on the subject), it's just my experience.

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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2019, 03:44:42 PM »
That's some really wise piece of advice, mate, seriously.

Alas, in those circumstances, I found myself incapacitated to assess/assume/determine and I just reacted to an instinctive impulse to interrupt a situation I was feeling abhorrent almost on a bodily level. Reading coldly, I fully agree with your analysis, right there and then, brain turned off and probably would again.

Anyways, I need to state - especially in the case of young kids reading these boards - that in no way I feel my experience represents the best way to act in such events (in fact I would point an hypotetical son to your views on the subject), it's just my experience.

Yeah, it's not easy to put a lid on our instincts when we see shit like that going down, but when I realized how much I could have lost three years ago in the scenario I mentioned in my initial post, I knew I had to rethink how I would approach things if it should occur again.






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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2021, 06:18:51 AM »
How would you explain the cases where some woman attacks you (and defends her abusive partner) if you intervened when you saw her partner beating her up in public?
I've heard there are many those cases.


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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2021, 07:49:03 AM »
No. The net result of my intervention would be 2 beaten up people instead of only 1. How's the world better off with that outcome?

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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2021, 07:57:01 AM »
I can say from experience before you get involved, you need to assess the situation. Don't just react without thinking. You could end up in a world of shit for trying to do the "right thing". Look to see if there are witnesses to corroborate your story should the police become involved.

Three years ago, just before Halloween, I had walked out of a bar after seeing my friend's band play and noticed an altercation between a guy and two girls who were trying to keep him from driving drunk. They had refused to give him his keys, and he went apeshit. He was throwing punches and eventually grabbed one by the hair to control her.

That is when I stepped in. I pulled the girls behind me and told them to stay there. The guy got in my face and started yelling "COME ON!! BE A MAN! TRY TO KICK MY ASS!!" I told him the only way it would happen is if he tried to touch me or the girls. He proceeded to talk more shit, then the cops showed up. They questioned the girls, and neither of them told the cops about what he did because they didn't want him to go to jail.

Now, if things had gotten physical with this guy, and I had injured him,
the girls would have likely kept their mouths shut about what he did in this scenario, as well, which is something I didn't think about until afterward. I could have gone to jail for "doing the right thing".
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2021, 08:03:22 AM »
Like Brian said, it'd be a situational decision for me. I'd certainly yell/command with the police and video tape threat like Jackie said.....but, and most of you have heard me mention, I conceal carry 99.9% of the time. I don't think that's a situation where I'd pull out my gun unless the dude was beating her with a tire iron.....but, if I were to get into a scuffle and 'introduce' that weapon into the fray....it could fall out....he could get his hands on it.....I just don't know that I'd immediately run in and try and stop him. But, I'd have to see the scenario to say for certain.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2021, 08:25:20 AM »
How would you explain the cases where some woman attacks you (and defends her abusive partner) if you intervened when you saw her partner beating her up in public?
I've heard there are many those cases.
Probably the most important step is to be the first to call 911. I've heard of instances where people have had to draw their weapon, or perhaps use their weapon in self defense. They're so rattled that they take a minute to collect themselves. While they're, eh, collecting, the bad guy calls the cops and says some maniac is pointing a gun at people. Unless he's got 9 priors for 211 they're probably going to take his side. First to 911 wins.

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Holy shit, some guys trying to kill some woman! [click]

Then you can intervene (all other factors supporting that decision, of course).

And as I said many years ago, facts supporting your claim of self defense will mean precisely jack shit if Johnny shows up and shoots you twenty seven times because you're the first violent person he sees.
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« Last Edit: June 28, 2021, 09:56:21 AM by TAC »
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2021, 10:22:10 AM »
How would you explain the cases where some woman attacks you (and defends her abusive partner) if you intervened when you saw her partner beating her up in public?
I've heard there are many those cases.

Holy fucking necropost, Batman!

There has never been a "case[] where [any] woman attacks [me]," so it would be impossible to explain something that has never happened.

If you're asking about a hypothetical situation in which a third party intervenes in a physical conflict between a man and a woman, it is impossible to explain a hypothetical situation.  If you want to cite to some actual situation and ask "how would you explain what happened here," that could be possible.
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Re: Would you interfere if you see the violence towards women in public?
« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2021, 10:33:24 AM »
Relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jrchHAN_tY
I stay very much aware of my surroundings when pumping gas, and fuel pump nozzles have a surprisingly effective range. There's a real good chance that guy's getting a face full of 93 octane. I'd just as soon stay out of that sort of thing, myself, but if I'm the guy in the truck I don't think I could live with myself after that. I mean that guy didn't even reach for his phone.
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