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Offline adamack

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Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« on: February 25, 2019, 08:37:40 PM »
Now that D/T is released and has gotten a chance to sink in, if DT were to release "Greatest Hit Part 2" with only songs from the Mangini era, which songs would you pick? You can make it a single disc or double.

Also as a bonus, what song would be your "Greatest Hit" from this era? There obviously isn't a Pull Me Under (or any  successful radio song for that matter), so let's just make it your choice for the definitive MM-era song.

First off, my Greatest Hit is obviously Breaking All Illusions  :)

Here would be my desired discs:

Disc 1

1. Dystopian Overture (it doesn't make sense out of the context of the album, but damnit I love it!)
2. The Enemy Inside
3. Bridges In The Sky
4. S2N
5. Surrender To Reason
6. Ravenskill
7. Beneath The Surface
8. Moment Of Betrayal
9. At Wit's End

Disc 2

1. Breaking All Illusions
2. Fall Into The Light
3. A Better Life
4. On The Backs of Angels
5. Outcry
6. Behind The Veil
7. My Last Farewell
8. Pale Blue Dot

Side Note: Looking back over this makes me realize how good this era is. This doesn't even mention some of my other favorites like Lost Not Forgotten (just a bit too overdone, but LOVE it), The Bigger Picture, Barstool Warrior, Three Days, The X Aspect, and many other songs from the Astonishing.

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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2019, 09:00:20 PM »
Considering the first compilation covered 7 albums worth of material and was a double-disc set, it would seem weird to make one that covers 4 albums a double-disc set as well, so I'm opting for a single disc release that focuses on the songs that the band has released as "singles" for each respective album, along with one epic and an alternate track.

01. On The Backs Of Angels
02. The Looking Glass
03. The Gift Of Music
04. Untethered Angel
05. Bridges In The Sky
06. The Enemy Inside
07. Moment Of Betrayal
08. Paralyzed
09. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
10. Along For The Ride
12. Our New World (Feat. Lzzy Hale)
12. Fall Into The Light

It runs about 74 minutes long and takes 3 songs from each album. The running order just seemed to work, the fact that each group of four runs chronologically is mostly coincidental.

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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2019, 09:25:04 PM »
Even though I am not a big fan, On the Backs of Angels would be their "hit" of the MM era since it got them their first Grammy nomination.

I will go with a blend of my favorites and the shorter, accessible tunes.

1. On the Backs of Angels
2. Breaking All Illusions
3. The Enemy Inside
4. The Looking Glass
5. Surrender to Reason
6. Three Days
7. A New Beginning
8. Moment of Betrayal
9. Our New World
10. Fall into the Light
11. Barstool Warrior
12. Viper King

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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2019, 09:37:52 PM »
This is easy

Bridges in the Sky
The Gift of Music
At Wit's End
Barstool Warrior
Chosen
S2n
Our New World
Breaking All Illusions
Illumination Theory (edited to remove the easter egg so it will fit in one disc)

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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2019, 09:38:13 PM »
I'm no good with durations so tell me if one of them is too long.

Disc 1:

1. False Awakening Suite
2. Bridges in The Sky
3. The Gift of Music
4. The Answer
5. A Better Life
6. Lord Nafaryus
7. A Savior in The Square
8. This is The Life
9. Barstool Warrior
10. At Wit's End

Disc 2:
1. Pale Blue Dot
2. Three Days
3. Paralyzed
4. Heaven's Cove
5. The Path That Divides
6. Illumination Theory
7. Breaking All Illusions
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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2019, 01:11:26 AM »
1. On the Backs of Angels - 8:41
2. The Enemy Inside - 6:16
3. Bridges in the Sky - 11:00
4. A Life Left Behind - 5:48
5. The Looking Glass - 4:52
6. Fall Into the Light - 7:04
7. A New Beginning - 7:40
8. At Wit's End - 8:20 (shortened to leave out "floor recording" easter egg)
9. Far From Heaven - 3:55
10. Breaking All Illusions - 12:24

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2019, 01:14:46 AM »
Well, this is a short list for me.  I'm really not very familiar with the band post-MP.

Our New World ft Lizzy Hale
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2019, 01:24:51 AM »
I took them all chronologically, since I suck at making a good and flowing tracklist. I guess Illumination Theory would be the closer though.

On The Backs of Angels (the "hit" because of the Grammy nomination)
Breaking All Illusions
Beneath The Surface
The Enemy Inside
Along For The Ride
Illumination Theory
The Gift of Music
Moment of Betrayal
Our New World
Fall Into The Light
Barstool Warrior
At Wit's End

For some reason it resulted in three songs per album, purely coincidental. A good blend of epics, ballads, and singles.
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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2019, 04:34:06 PM »
Some great lists! And yes, I totally forgot about the OTBoA Grammy nomination.

Looking through these, some favorites are:

BAL
BITS
ONW
AWE
TEI
FITL

And I'm surprised only two of us chose Surrender To Reason to be on it! I never quite grasped whether that was a beloved DT song, or just a middle of the road song according to fans.

I'm NOT however surprised that I'm the only one who chose Dystopian Overture, ha. Aside from not many people liking it, it really doesn't fit well on something like this.

Also, I thought a couple more would choose PBD. Though I have seen mixed feelings about it. I think it's just one of those songs that, when a person is into it, they absolutely love it. But it's not quite for everyone.

And good point Marc, about it being suited better for a single disc. I hadn't thought of that, but it's got me thinking about which ones I'd narrow down to one album. Whichever songs they'd be, it would make one hell of a disc.

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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2019, 05:42:20 PM »
On the Backs of Angels would be their "hit" of the MM era since it got them their first Grammy nomination.

Yeah, exactly.  There really isn't much to debate on that one. 

As far as other songs that would be included, I think you have to include all the promo singles.  So that would be:

1.  OTBOA
2.  BMU/BMD
3.  TEI
4.  AFTR
5.  The Looking Glass
6.  The Gift of Music
7.  Our New World
8.  Untethered Angel
9.  Fall Into the Light
10.  Paralyzed

Without doing the math, I'm not sure how many more songs we could include.  As loath as I am do to it, I guess we have to include Breaking All Illusions.  Let's assume we can fit three other songs on a single disk.  I might go with:
-Moment of Betrayal (not my favorite from TA, but a solid song that the band would likely have looked at as a potential single if they were releasing another one)
-Barstool Warrior (similar reasoning)
-Behind the Veil (I have to have a "favorite song" from at least one album)
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2019, 06:35:07 PM »
Disc One

1) On the Backs of Angels (8:42)
2) Paralyzed (4:17)
3) Fall Into the Light (7:04)
4) This is the Life (6:57)
5) Build Me Up, Break Me Down (6:59)
6) Untethered Angel (6:14)
7) Breaking All Illusions (12:24)
8) Beneath the Surface (5:26)

Runtime: 58:03

Disc Two

1) False Awakening Suite (2:42)
2) The Enemy Inside (6:17)
3) Our New World (4:12)
4) Moment of Betrayal (6:11)
5) The Looking Glass (4:53)
6) The Gift of Music (4:00)
7) Along For the Ride (4:45)
8) Illumination Theory (22:17)

Runtime: 55:17

Total Runtime: 1:53:20
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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2019, 10:49:24 AM »
I'm only going to use one 10+ minute song:

01. On the Backs of Angels
02. False Awakening Suite
03. The Enemy Inside
04. The Gift of Music
05. Out of Reach
06. Fall Into the Light
07. The Looking Glass
08. Along for the Ride
09. Moment of Betrayal
10. Paralyzed
11. Untethered Angel
12. Far from Heaven
13. Breaking All Illusions
14. Our New World (feat. Lizzy Hale)

Spotify tells me this is ~79 minutes

Disc 2 I guess:

01. Behind the Veil
02. A Savior in the Square
03. When Your Time Has Come
04. Room 137
05. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
06. This is the Life
07. Brother, Can You Hear Me?
08. S2N
09. The Path That Divides
10. Barstool Warrior
11. Surrender to Reason
12. Three Days
13. Beneath the Surface
14. Viper King

Spotify says this is about 76min.

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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2019, 11:23:27 AM »
On The Backs Of Angels
The Looking Glass
Fall Into The Light
This Is The Life
Enigma Machine
Paralyzed
Outcry
Behind The Veil
Untethered Angel
Along For The Ride
Barstool Warrior
Breaking All Illusions

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2019, 11:48:57 AM »
On the Backs of Angels
Lost Not Forgotten
This is the Life
Bridges in the Sky
Outcry
Breaking all Illusions
Beneath the Surface
The Enemy Inside
The Bigger Pucture
Surrender to Reason

Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
A Life Left Behind
Ravenskill
Chosen
A New Beginning
The Path That Divides
The Walking Shadow
Hymn of a Thousand Voices
Our New World
Fall Into the Light
Barstool Warrior
At Wit’s End


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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2019, 12:27:49 PM »
If I had to keep it to one disc

1. Bridges in the Sky
2. Breaking All Illusions
3. The Bigger Picture
4. The Enemy Inside
5. The Gift of Music
6. Moment of Betrayal
7. Paralyzed
8. At Wit's End
9. Pale Blue Dot

This is too tough to do...:(

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Disc 1 ADTOE
Disc 2 DT
Disc 3 Astonishing Disc 1
Disc 4 Astonishing Disc 2
Disc 5 D/T

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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2019, 12:55:46 PM »
On the Backs of Angels would be their "hit" of the MM era since it got them their first Grammy nomination.

Yeah, exactly.  There really isn't much to debate on that one. 

As far as other songs that would be included, I think you have to include all the promo singles.  So that would be:

1.  OTBOA
2.  BMU/BMD
3.  TEI
4.  AFTR
5.  The Looking Glass
6.  The Gift of Music
7.  Our New World
8.  Untethered Angel
9.  Fall Into the Light
10.  Paralyzed

Without doing the math, I'm not sure how many more songs we could include.  As loath as I am do to it, I guess we have to include Breaking All Illusions.  Let's assume we can fit three other songs on a single disk.  I might go with:
-Moment of Betrayal (not my favorite from TA, but a solid song that the band would likely have looked at as a potential single if they were releasing another one)
-Barstool Warrior (similar reasoning)
-Behind the Veil (I have to have a "favorite song" from at least one album)

Nice! Yes, this is most accurate as to what the compilation would actually be. Thinking about it - it's not such a bad disc considering it's the singles.

The only songs I really dislike are AFTR (not the WORST, but definitely in the lower 50% for me),  and The Looking Glass (ugh, ha).

The Gift Of Music has always been a weird one for me. Love the second half of the song, but not a big fan of the first. Our New World I could give or take - definitely need to be in the right mood.

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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2019, 03:59:21 AM »
Disc 1 (77:33)

1   8:42   On the Backs of Angels
2   7:04   Fall into the Light
3   10:12   Lost Not Forgotten
4   6:11   Moment of Betrayal
5   4:23   Room 137
6   12:25   Breaking All Illusions
7   6:21   S2n
8   22:15   Illumination Theory

Disc 2 (77:15)

1   6:14   Untethered Angel
2   6:17   The Enemy Inside
3   7:39   A New Beginning
4   6:52   Behind the Veil
5   4:00   Viper King
6   11:25   Outcry
7   6:01   Enigma Machine
8   8:26   Pale Blue Dot
9   11:01   Bridges in the Sky
10   9:20   At Wit's End

Album representation:

ADTOE 53:45 (5 tracks)
DT 41:25 (4 tracks)
TA 13:50 (2 tracks)
D/T 45:48 (7 tracks)

Comments:

Track order needs tweaking. The Path That Divides, My Last Farewell, and Paralyzed left off due to time constraints. Could fit one of those songs if 80 min disc time limit, or if outros from At Wit's End and Illumination Theory were cut. If outros cut and up to 80:15 per disc, then could add both The Path That Divides and Paralyzed.

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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2019, 05:34:21 AM »
On the Backs of Angels
Lost Not Forgotten
Bridges in the Sky
Outcry
Breaking All Illusions
The Enemy Inside
The Bigger Picture
Illumination Theory
The Gift of Music
A New Beginning
Moment of Betrayal
Our New World
Untethered Angel
Barstool Warrior
At Wit's End
Pale Blue Dot

Greatest Hit:  On the Backs of Angels

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2019, 07:06:17 AM »
Dream Theater Greatest Hit (and 21 other cool songs) is 2 hours 18 minutes long. That's long enough for 40% of the entire MM era... and if you discount The Astonishing (because of it's abnormal length and odd format, not because of the music) you could fit literally about 70% of A Dramatic Turn Of Events, Dream Theater self titled and Distance Over Time on a double album that long. And even though The Astonishing is long, it has a lot of repeating themes and redundancies, so it'd be quite easy to pick a strong sample of a few songs from it. So I guess what I'm getting at is that it'd be pretty easy to make a greatest hits for the Mangini era without having to make many hard choices if I'm allowed an album as long as DT's first Greatest Hits album. For that reason I think it's only an interesting question if it's restricted quite a bit to be under 90 minutes at the most

Breaking All Illusions is probably the only must for me on the album as well. But I agree with what's been said that On The Backs Of Angels belongs on the album, and it's a strong song anyway. And if I'm trying to build something that actually could be a Greatest Hits I probably wouldn't just pick my favourite songs in order until I hit the time limit.

So, my semi-realistic MM era Greatest Hits single disc:

1. On The Backs Of Angels
2. Fall Into The Light
3. The Bigger Picture
4. At Wit's End
Mini-Astonishing Suite:
5. The Gift Of Music
6. Three Days
7. A New Beginning
8. The Enemy Inside
9. Bridges In The Sky
10. Breaking All Illusions

Length: 78 minutes

Turns out this includes the lead single from ADTOE, DT12 and The Astonishing, and the second single from D/T (Untethered Angel would be too similar to OTBOA and The Enemiy Inside, and Fall Into The Light is a much stronger song). It hurts to leave Illumination Theory off, but for DT12 material you could get The Bigger Picture, The Enemy Inside and Behind The Veil for less track time than Illumination Theory, and realisticically that is probably better for a greatest hits album. The Enemy Inside and Behind The Veil are actually my preferred tracks, but I think that The Bigger Picture gives more variety and a better representative of the DT12 material if you can't have Illumination Theory, and Behind The Veil is a bit more similar to it than The Enemy Inside (plus The Enemy Inside is a lead single and gives us a relatively lean fast paced heavier song).

The Astonishing picks are among the strongest tracks on that album imo, but they also give you at least some taste of the story, and arguably they tell the central story in about as short a form possible - land without music, savior with his magical guitar, conflict with the oppressive ruler, resolution through shared love for someone and appreciation of music. Obviously a lot left out (unfortunately none of Arhys' conflict, you could highlight that part instead of Nafaryus and Faythe by going for Moment Of Betrayal and Path That Divides instead), but I feel like you could make a lot of sense of things and feel some jounrey of a story with just those tracks.

At Wit's End and Breaking All Illusions are some of the highlights of the MM era and provide our DT epics for the greatest hits, and Bridges In The Sky was my pick as I think it and Outcry are the next strongest songs and Bridges In The Sky just seemed a better fit here - it's tough not to choose two shorter length songs instead such as say S2N, Behind The Veil or Barstool Warrior. We're probably missing a proper ballad too but there's a lot of lighter stuff here already.
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Re: Make Your Own "Greatest Hit Part 2" (The Mangini Era)
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2019, 07:56:24 AM »
I think it's only an interesting question if it's restricted quite a bit to be under 90 minutes at the most

That's a lot tougher:

1   8:42   On the Backs of Angels
2   7:04   Fall into the Light
3   11:01   Bridges in the Sky
4   6:21   S2n
5   6:17   The Enemy Inside
6   6:14   Untethered Angel
7   7:39   A New Beginning
8   6:01   Enigma Machine
9   8:26   Pale Blue Dot
10   12:25   Breaking All Illusions
11   9:20   At Wit's End

Breakdown:

ADTOE   32:08 (3 tracks)
DT   12:18 (2 tracks)
TA   7:39 (1 track)
D/T   37:25 (5 tracks)
Total 89:30

Still absorbing the new album... will see how how it holds up over time.

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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2019, 10:49:38 AM »
I could see them realistically do something like this...

On The Backs of Angels
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Beneath the Surface
The Enemy Inside
The Looking Glass
Along For the Ride
The Gift of Music
Chosen
Our New World
Untethered Angel
Paralyzed
Fall Into the Light

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2019, 09:21:09 PM »

Inspired by D / T's brisk runtime, I'm going to do mine in less than an hour.

On The Backs of Angels
The Gift or Music
Barstool Warrior
The Enemy Inside (also Grammy nominated)
S2N
The Bigger Picture
Our New World
Breaking All Illusions

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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2019, 10:28:46 AM »
I created my playlist (with some modifications) into a shareable Spotify playlist:

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I've been listening to them on Spotify in the office so that I could still contribute more revenue, no matter how small, to the band.

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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2019, 12:11:40 PM »
I'm going to change the way I approach this, because if it's JUST the Mangini era, then we're leaving out two albums, and one of them is one of my favorites. So this is actually a compilation from the RoadRunner Era. No D/T on it either, as a result.

CD1: The Singles (If it was to actually happen, I have no doubt these would be the songs that got released)
1. Constant Motion
2. Forsaken
3. A Rite of Passage
4. Wither
5. On The Backs of Angels
6. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
7. The Enemy Inside
8. The Looking Glass
9. The Gift of Music
10. Our New World (featuring Lzzy Hale)

CD2: The Other Gems (My personal favorites that I think deserve a spot)
1. In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 1
2. The Dark Eternal Night
3. The Shattered Fortress
4. Bridges In The Sky
5. Beneath The Surface
6. The Bigger Picture
7. Along For The Ride
8. Moment of Betrayal
9. Heaven's Cove

Each CD is just under 70 minutes.
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