Your controversial opinions/thoughts on music

[Lethean]

I don't really agree with that.  Most of my favorite artists do indeed blend things together, and I think that's what makes them so interesting for me.  But that experience may be different for others.

I have a theory that the very best bands are the ones that STRADDLE genres (or at least bring other genres into their "preferred" one) and rarely are the top tier bands PURELY in one genre, unless they virtually created it (ala Metallica).   Genesis wasn't just prog, they were pop songwriters from the get-go.   Zeppelin wasn't just "blues", they had a very deep folk streak (even in the electric material).

Thank you, beautifully put. Perfect adherence to a genre makes an act, well, generic to me. I love DT, prog metal bores me, and I could mention a dozen similar instances.

I pretty much agree with that in terms of my own tastes as well.  (Although, I love a lot of prog metal).  But I'm sure there are exceptions of artists that are more "straight" in one genre that are great, or that appeal to others if not to me.

[bosk1]

I dunno.  I like what I like.  If it happens to be a band that fits squarely into a single genre, that's fine.  If it happens to be a band that incorporates others genres or styles into their music, that's fine too.  If it sounds good and someone likes it, who cares?   

[Samsara]

I dunno.  I like what I like.  If it happens to be a band that fits squarely into a single genre, that's fine.  If it happens to be a band that incorporates others genres or styles into their music, that's fine too.  If it sounds good and someone likes it, who cares? 

 

Agreed.

[WildRanger]

I think there are few people who actually listen to *nothing* but metal.  There are some, but I bet the vast majority like, even love, at least one song that's not metal.  Even those who might make negative comments about "pop" in general probably like something.  But if you think metal fans are bad - well, we're far from the worst.  And, we generally don't think fans of other genres of music are degenerates of some sort.

One thing is for sure. Most metalheads are hostile towards hip hop. Anything rap is crap to them, they just tend to dismiss the entire genre of that music.

[WildRanger]

Opinion: metal is the only genre of music ever and anything not classified as metal isn't real music

Classical music >>>>> metal
And I'm saying this as someone who listens metal way more than classical.

Wagner's "Ride Of The Valkyries" blows (widely considered) the best songs in metal away.

[Adami]

Opinion: metal is the only genre of music ever and anything not classified as metal isn't real music

Classical music >>>>> metal
And I'm saying this as someone who listens metal way more than classical.

Wagner's "Ride Of The Valkyries" blows (widely considered) the best songs in metal away.

Elmur Fudd singing "Kill duh wabbit..." >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ride of the Valkyries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxiv3CBMS4M

[Cool Chris]

Ride of the Valkyries as used in Apocalypse Now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ride of the Valkyries in any other context

[Podaar]

Opinion: metal is the only genre of music ever and anything not classified as metal isn't real music

Classical music >>>>> metal
And I'm saying this as someone who listens metal way more than classical.

Wagner's "Ride Of The Valkyries" blows (widely considered) the best songs in metal away.

Elmur Fudd singing "Kill duh wabbit..." >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ride of the Valkyries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxiv3CBMS4M

Finally! Someone gets my love of Elmer’s singing.

[MirrorMask]

Maybe not really "controversial", and I'll say it as an hyperbole catered to my selfish desires and tastes, but.... Lady Gaga should totally ditch her techno / pop style and go full on rock - metal. At the very least, she should do an acoustic album, piano and voice only, of her best known (or more fitting) songs of her catalogue, I'd buy it in an heartbeat.

Not a fan of her actual style at all, but she can sing and she can obviously can compose and on YouTube you can find piano versions of stuff like Bad Romance, Diamond Heart, The Edge of Glory which are phenomenal. I want a full album of that!

[KevShmev]

The Black Album is better than ...And Justice for All.

In the Court of the Crimson King is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

Gavin Harrison overplays way too much in a live setting.

[ReaperKK]

The Black Album is better than ...And Justice for All.

Completely agree

[Rob24]

Maybe not really "controversial", and I'll say it as an hyperbole catered to my selfish desires and tastes, but.... Lady Gaga should totally ditch her techno / pop style and go full on rock - metal. At the very least, she should do an acoustic album, piano and voice only, of her best known (or more fitting) songs of her catalogue, I'd buy it in an heartbeat.

Not a fan of her actual style at all, but she can sing and she can obviously can compose and on YouTube you can find piano versions of stuff like Bad Romance, Diamond Heart, The Edge of Glory which are phenomenal. I want a full album of that!

I'm the total opposite, maybe that's more of a controversial opinion? I think her electro-pop style is what gave her identity and makes a fun, artsy package of melodic weirdness, while her whole broadway / movie persona just seems like something that is retro for the sake of it.

Electronic elements in production don't make the music any less "real" or musical.

[Zantera]

AJFA > Black Album easily. Heck I'd say my controversial opinion would be Load > Black Album.

[Cool Chris]

In the Court of the Crimson King is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

King Crimson is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

[Max Kuehnau]

In the Court of the Crimson King is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

King Crimson is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

Seriously: Are DT as great as everyone thinks they are? I don't think there is any one prog band absolutely every prog fan will love. I may be wrong of course.

[Zantera]

In the Court of the Crimson King is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

King Crimson is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

Seriously: Are DT as great as everyone thinks they are? I don't think there is any one prog band absolutely every prog fan will love. I may be wrong of course.

Definitely not. I mean they've made some great albums but in the bigger scope of albums standing the test of time I feel like there's a reason some bands (mostly the 70s prog bands) have albums that transcend the genre and a lot of people like those albums, whereas DT doesn't really have an album like any of those. And even if some would argue the importance of Images & Words I would still say that it's a very niche market.

[DTA]

The Black Album is better than ...And Justice for All.

In the Court of the Crimson King is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

Gavin Harrison overplays way too much in a live setting.

Agree with all of these except: Load > every other Metallica album

[LCArenas]

Cathedral Spires is a top 10 Judas Priest song. Tends to be overlooked because of the whole Jugulator / Demolition era (Jugulator isn't even that bad), but it's outstanding. Tim is a King among men in that song.

[Stadler]

In the Court of the Crimson King is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

King Crimson is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

Seriously: Are DT as great as everyone thinks they are? I don't think there is any one prog band absolutely every prog fan will love. I may be wrong of course.

Genesis is probably the closest, in my opinion.

[The Curious Orange]

In the Court of the Crimson King is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

King Crimson is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

Seriously: Are DT as great as everyone thinks they are? I don't think there is any one prog band absolutely every prog fan will love. I may be wrong of course.

Genesis is probably the closest, in my opinion.

I can't stand Genesis.

[Ninjabait]

Maybe Pink Floyd? I've yet to meet someone who actually hates Pink Floyd

[MirrorMask]

This will come across as a serious nitpicking, but hey, if this isn't the forum for any kind of musical pet peeves, I don't know where else to go 

While I'm not against a click track per se, I think it robs us of something so little but yet that I find exciting - the drummer actually counting the song in. It's something that pumps you up, that comes handful in many situations, such as:

- They're making the "end of the song noise" holding a note to lead directly into the next song, and hearing the next song being counted in prepares you for what's about to start;
- If you know the set, and they're in the above situation, with the song being counted in you can prepare for the exact moment when you can start to sing the initial chorus or hum along to the riff or whatever;
- It's a nice anticipation and buildup, when you're near the end of an Iron Maiden show for example you know that 4 slow counts mean Fear of the Dark is about to start and you can either rejoice, or be annoyed that once again you have to hear Fear of the Dark.

I accept the click track as help, but it should be hidden and masked away. The song "magically" starting out of nowhere makes for a dramatic surprise, but it's also a dead giveaway that they're all synchronized with a click track.

[TAC]

In the Court of the Crimson King is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

King Crimson is not as great as most prog fans think it is.

 

So true!

[The Walrus]

Genesis is really bad and I don't understand how they ever had much success.

[Cool Chris]

Yes Genesis is terrible, though I can see why 80s pop Genesis was big. That 70s stuff though....

[Stadler]

You all are whack. 

(Full disclosure, I'm burning my CDs and DVDs to a network drive, and I literally finished with the "Genesis" material last night.  So for the past week I've had nothing but Genesis, from Trespass (twice) through to burning the audio from the "When In Rome" DVD (it's different than the "Live Over Europe" CD from the same tour) and I have to say, they're better than I remember.  More than ever I believe Phil is one of the greatest drummers in rock, Tony Banks is on par with Rick Wakeman, and Steve Harris was not drunk when he said that Mike Rutherford is one of the best and most underrated bassists in rock.)

[Podaar]

Yeah, I think I'll have to agree with Genesis being really bad as well. I've tried many times to see what folks like Stadler see and always end up confused and frustrated. Take their definitive epic "Supper's Ready", I've probably heard it 100 times and it still sounds like a cobbled up mess.

In other words, I'm with TAC on this one. 

[cramx3]

I just don't really care much for any classic prog, so how about that for controversial 

[Adami]

I just don't really care much for any classic prog, so how about that for controversial 

Rush considered classic prog? Cause other than them, I agree.

[bosk1]

I just don't really care much for any classic prog, so how about that for controversial 

I don't know about controversial, but I agree. 

[Stadler]

Yeah, I think I'll have to agree with Genesis being really bad as well. I've tried many times to see what folks like Stadler see and always end up confused and frustrated. Take their definitive epic "Supper's Ready", I've probably heard it 100 times and it still sounds like a cobbled up mess.

In other words, I'm with TAC on this one. 

The Cinema Show?  No?   The live In The Cage Medley from 3SL?  No? 

[KevShmev]

I just don't really care much for any classic prog, so how about that for controversial 

Rush considered classic prog? Cause other than them, I agree.

Nah, Rush was a hard rock band that stuck their foot in the deep end of prog for a few years, but at heart was always a hard rock band, first and foremost.

You all are whack. 

Agreed. Genesis was terrific, no matter what era we are talking.

[NoseofNicko]

70s Genesis is possibly the greatest music ever you fucks.

[King Postwhore]

....and none were given.

[The Walrus]

I bought Selling England By The Pound for $5. Yuck.