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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2019, 06:07:26 PM »
14.   Octavarium defeats The Walking Shadow 33-1

Okay who is the one person that voted for The Walking Shadow?!

 :hat

I've never been a fan of 8V.  Call me crazy.

So it was a legitimate vote? I'm good with that. Would rather someone prefer The Walking Shadow to 8VM then to learn that someone messing with the polls for no good reason.

Yep.  Legit vote.
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2019, 10:05:55 AM »
Week 2 Match of the Week https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53628.0

Trial of Tears defeats Voices 18-14

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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2019, 10:07:17 AM »
Standings after Week 2

Tier 1 (1.000 Winning %) – Songs 1-45
Along For the Ride (2-0)
Another Day (2-0)
At Wit’s End (2-0)
Barstool Warrior (2-0)
Beyond This Life (2-0)
The Bigger Picture (2-0)
Blind Faith (2-0)
Breaking All Illusions (2-0)
Bridges in the Sky (2-0)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down (2-0)
A Change of Seasons (2-0)
The Count of Tuscany (2-0)
The Dance of Eternity (2-0)
Disappear (2-0)
Erotomania (2-0)
Finally Free (2-0)
Forsaken (2-0)
Home (2-0)
Illumination Theory (2-0)
In the Name of God (2-0)
In the Presence of Enemies (2-0)
Innocence Faded (2-0)
Learning to Live (2-0)
Lie (2-0)
A Life Left Behind (2-0)
Lines in the Sand (2-0)
Metropolis (2-0)
The Mirror (2-0)
Misunderstood (2-0)
New Millennium (2-0)
Our New World (2-0)
The Path That Divides (2-0)
Pull Me Under (2-0)
The Road to Revolution (2-0)
S2N (2-0)
Sacrificed Sons (2-0)
Scarred (2-0)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (2-0)
Space-Dye Vest (2-0)
The Spirit Carries On (2-0)
Surrender to Reason (2-0)
Take the Time (2-0)
This Dying Soul (2-0)
Three Days (2-0)
Trial of Tears (2-0)


Tier 2 (.500 Winning %) Songs 46-106
6:00 (1-1)
Afterlife (1-1)
Anna Lee (1-1)
The Answer Lies Within (1-1)
As I Am (1-1)
Behind the Veil (1-1)
Beneath the Surface (1-1)
Caught in a Web (1-1)
Chosen (1-1)
Constant Motion (1-1)
Don’t Look Past Me (1-1)
Endless Sacrifice (1-1)
Fall Into the Light (1-1)
Fatal Tragedy (1-1) 
The Gift of Music (1-1)
The Glass Prison (1-1)
The Great Debate (1-1)
Heaven’s Cove (1-1)
Hell’s Kitchen (1-1)
Hollow Years (1-1)
Honor Thy Father (1-1)
Hymn of a Thousand Voices (1-1)
I Walk Beside You (1-1)
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (1-1)
Lord Nafaryus (1-1)
Lost Not Forgotten (1-1)
The Ministry of Lost Souls (1-1)
Never Enough (1-1)
A Nightmare to Remember (1-1)
Octavarium (1-1)
On the Backs of Angels (1-1)
Out of Reach (1-1)
Outcry (1-1)
Overture 1928 (1-1)
Pale Blue Dot (1-1)
Panic Attack (1-1)
Paralyzed (1-1)
Peruvian Skies (1-1)
Prophets of War (1-1)
Ravenskill (1-1)
Repentance (1-1)
The Root of All Evil (1-1)
The Shattered Fortress (1-1)
The Silent Man (1-1)
Strange Déjà vu (1-1)
Stream of Consciousness (1-1)
Surrounded (1-1)
A Tempting Offer (1-1)
These Walls (1-1)
This is the Life (1-1)
Through Her Eyes (1-1)
To Live Forever (1-1)
Under a Glass Moon (1-1)
Untethered Angel (1-1)
Vacant (1-1)
Viper King (1-1)
Voices (1-1)
Wait For Sleep (1-1)
The Walking Shadow (1-1)
When Your Time Has Come (1-1)
Wither (1-1)

Tier 3 (.250 Winning %) Songs 107 & 108
Dystopian Overture (0-1-1)
The X Aspect (0-1-1)

Tier 4 (.000 Winning %) Songs 109-152
2285 Entr’acte (0-2)
Act of Faythe (0-2)
Another Won (0-2)
The Answer (0-2)
Astonishing (0-2)
Begin Again (0-2)
The Best of Times (0-2)
A Better Life (0-2)
Brother, Can You Hear Me? (0-2)
Burning My Soul (0-2)
Cover My Eyes (0-2)
The Dark Eternal Night (0-2)
The Enemy Inside (0-2)
Enigma Machine (0-2)
Eve (0-2) 
False Awakening Suite (0-2)
Far From Heaven (0-2)
A Fortune in Lies (0-2)
Just Let Me Breathe (0-2)
The Killing Hand (0-2)
Light Fuse and Get Away (0-2)
The Looking Glass (0-2)
Losing Faythe (0-2)
Moment of Betrayal (0-2)
My Last Farewell (0-2)
A New Beginning (0-2)
One Last Time (0-2)
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (0-2)
Only A Matter of Time (0-2)
Raise the Knife (0-2)
Raw Dog (0-2)
Regression (0-2)
A Rite of Passage (0-2)
Room 137 (0-2)
A Savior in the Square (0-2)
Speak to Me (0-2)
Status Seeker (0-2)
Take Away My Pain (0-2)
Through My Words (0-2)
The Way It Used to Be (0-2)
Where Are You Now? (0-2)
Whispers On the Wind (0-2)
You Not Me (0-2)
Ytse Jam (0-2)










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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2019, 10:18:35 AM »
Three songs from the latest album already in the lead, not bad for d/t!

No real suprises in the first group but it's nice to see Our New World and The Path that Divides there... also I'd say no major headscratchers in the songs with 2 defeats.
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« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2019, 10:55:07 AM »
Little idea for a fun sweepstakes mini-competition: How many songs from The Astonishing do you think (please note that) will get into the top 64? We currently have eight. (Hell's Kitchen is currently in the 64th position in this list as it stands.)

I'm gonna guess...six.

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« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2019, 01:07:08 PM »
Ravenskill and A New Beginning have most chances I'd say.
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #41 on: March 24, 2019, 04:38:17 PM »
also I'd say no major headscratchers in the songs with 2 defeats.

The Enemy Inside and The Killing Hand should be higher I'd say...
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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2019, 09:25:57 AM »
No real suprises in the first group but it's nice to see Our New World and The Path that Divides there... also I'd say no major headscratchers in the songs with 2 defeats.

I don't remember the match ups, but "The Killing Hand," "Only a Matter of Time," and "Ytse Jam" being 0-2 is quite a surprise to me.


(Hell's Kitchen is currently in the 64th position in this list as it stands.)

"Hell's Kitchen" is currently tied with 60 other songs for 46th place
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« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2019, 10:40:32 PM »
Three songs from the latest album already in the lead, not bad for d/t!

No real suprises in the first group but it's nice to see Our New World and The Path that Divides there... also I'd say no major headscratchers in the songs with 2 defeats.

Ummmm The Killing Hand? Raise the Knife?
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2019, 03:12:59 PM »
Week 3-A - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53642.0
1.   Hell’s Kitchen defeats False Awakening Suite 31-4
2.   Caught in a Web & Lie tied at 18-18   
3.   Endless Sacrifice defeats Honor Thy Father 26-10
4.   I Walk Beside You defeats Don’t Look Past Me 27-9
5.   Build Me Up, Break Me Down defeats Light Fuse and Get Away 19-16
6.   Misunderstood defeats Beneath the Surface 26-10 
7.   Begin Again defeats My Last Farewell 16-13 
8.   Afterlife defeats You Not Me 24-11 
9.   Voices defeat A Tempting Offer 34-1 
10.   When Your Time Has Come defeats A Rite of Passage 17-15 
11.   Wait For Sleep defeats Act of Faythe 30-6 
12.   A Savior In the Square defeats Where Are You Now? 19-13
13.   A Fortune in Lies defeats Vacant 22-14 
14.   Untethered Angel defeats A Nightmare to Remember 20-16
15.   A Life Left Behind defeats Viper King 20-13 
16.   Through Her Eyes defeats Our New World 21-14 
17.   On the Backs of Angels defeats To Live Forever 23-12 
18.   Peruvian Skies defeats The X Aspect 31-5 
19.   Under a Glass Moon defeats A New Beginning 24-11 

Week 3-B -  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53648.0
1.   Finally Free defeats 2285 Entr’acte 30-1 
2.   Home defeats Eve 27-4 
3.   Lifting Shadows Off a Dream defeats Brother, Can You Hear Me? 28-3
4.   Barstool Warrior defeats Moment of Betrayal 25-4
5.   Never Enough defeats Astonishing 16-13
6.   Another Day defeats Wither 24-7 
7.   Ytse Jam defeats Along For the Ride 22-8 
8.   Fall Into the Light defeats Heaven’s Cove 22-8
9.   Take the Time defeats The Answer Lies Within 29-2 
10.   Out of Reach defeats Through My Words 21-9 
11.   Trial of Tears defeats One Last Time 25-6 
12.   Pale Blue Dot defeats These Walls 16-15 
13.   Enigma Machine defeats Hymn of a Thousand Voices 16-13
14.   Outcry defeats This is the Life 18-12 
15.   This Dying Soul & Panic Attack tied 15-15 
16.   Illumination Theory defeats Dystopian Overture 25-6 
17.   The Spirit Carries On defeats Prophets of War 27-4 
18.   Overture 1928 defeats Three Days 20-10
19.   Surrounded defeats The Bigger Picture 28-3 

Week 3-C - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53652.0
1.   A Better Life defeats Far From Heaven 17-14
2.   Erotomania defeats Hollow Years 21-10
3.   Innocence Faded defeats Chosen 22-8
4.   Learning to Live defeats Burning My Soul 28-3 
5.   Beyond This Life defeats Losing Faythe 29-2
6.   Metropolis defeats Behind the Veil 28-3 
7.   Octavaium defeats Another Won 29-2
8.   At Wit’s End defeats New Millennium 27-3 
9.   The Path That Divides defeats Repentance 17-13 
10.   The Mirror defeats Sacrificed Sons 19-12 
11.   Room 137 defeats The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 17-14
12.   Scarred defeats The Killing Hand 27-4 
13.   The Great Debate defeats Speak to Me 22-8
14.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats The Looking Glass 28-3 
15.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Stream of Consciousness 16-15 
16.   The Enemy Inside defeats Status Seeker 26-5
17.   Surrender to Reason defeats The Dark Eternal Night 18-13
18.   Strange déjà vu defeats The Gift of Music 27-4 
19.   The Glass Prison defeats Space-Dye Vest 20-11

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« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2019, 04:18:56 PM »
Week 3-D - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53659.0
1.   6:00 defeats Forsaken 31-6
2.   Constant Motion defeats Just Let Me Breathe 23-14 
3.   As I Am defeats Only a Matter of Time 26-11 
4.   Anna Lee defeats Whispers On the Wind 32-5 
5.   Paralyzed defeats The Way It Used to Be 30-7 
6.   Pull Me Under defeats The Walking Shadow 32-5 
7.   The Road to Revolution defeats Raw Dog 28-7 
8.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Raise the Knife 19-16
9.   The Root of All Evil defeats Regression 36-1 
10.   Ravenskill defeats The Silent Man 19-18 
11.   S2N defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 23-14
12.   The Best of Times defeats The Answer 22-13
13.   In the Name of God defeats Cover My Eyes 35-2
14.   The Count of Tuscany defeats Take Away My Pain 30-6 
15.   A Change of Seasons defeats Fatal Tragedy 29-8 
16.   Blind Faith defeats Lost Not Forgotten 25-12 
17.   Bridges in the Sky defeats Lord Nafaryus 34-3 
18.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats Disappear 21-16 

Week 3 Match of the Week - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53672.0
Breaking All Illusions defeats Lines in the Sand 26-17

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« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2019, 04:21:14 PM »
Standings after Week 3

Tier 1 (1.000 Winning %) – Songs 1-33
Another Day (3-0)
At Wit’s End (3-0)
Barstool Warrior (3-0)
Beyond This Life (3-0)
Blind Faith (3-0)
Breaking All Illusions (3-0)
Bridges in the Sky (3-0)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down (3-0)
A Change of Seasons (3-0)
The Count of Tuscany (3-0)
The Dance of Eternity (3-0)
Erotomania (3-0)
Finally Free (3-0)
Home (3-0)
Illumination Theory (3-0)
In the Name of God (3-0)
In the Presence of Enemies (3-0)
Innocence Faded (3-0)
Learning to Live (3-0)
A Life Left Behind (3-0)
Metropolis (3-0)
The Mirror (3-0)
Misunderstood (3-0)
The Path That Divides (3-0)
Pull Me Under (3-0)
The Road to Revolution (3-0)
S2N (3-0)
Scarred (3-0)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (3-0)
The Spirit Carries On (3-0)
Surrender to Reason (3-0)
Take the Time (3-0)
Trial of Tears (3-0)

Tier 2 (.833 Winning %) – Songs 34 & 35

Lie (2-0-1)
This Dying Soul (2-0-1)

Tier 3 (.667 Winning %) – Songs 36-77

6:00 (2-1)
Afterlife (2-1)
Along For the Ride (2-1)
Anna Lee (2-1)
As I Am (2-1)
The Bigger Picture (2-1)
Constant Motion (2-1)
Endless Sacrifice (2-1)
Disappear (2-1)
Fall Into the Light (2-1)
Forsaken (2-1)
The Glass Prison (2-1)
The Great Debate (2-1)
Hell’s Kitchen (2-1)
I Walk Beside You (2-1)
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (2-1)
Lines in the Sand (2-1)
Never Enough (2-1)
New Millennium (2-1)
Octavarium (2-1)
On the Backs of Angels (2-1)
Our New World (2-1)
Out of Reach (2-1)
Outcry (2-1)
Overture 1928 (2-1)
Pale Blue Dot (2-1)
Paralyzed (2-1)
Peruvian Skies (2-1)
Ravenskill (2-1)
The Root of All Evil (2-1)
Sacrificed Sons (2-1)
The Shattered Fortress (2-1)
Space-Dye Vest (2-1)
Strange Déjà vu (2-1)
Surrounded (2-1)
Three Days (2-1)
Through Her Eyes (2-1)
Under a Glass Moon (2-1)
Untethered Angel (2-1)
Voices (2-1)
Wait For Sleep (2-1)
When Your Time Has Come (2-1)


Tier 4 (.500 Winning %) Songs 78 & 79

Caught in a Web (1-1-1)
Panic Attack (1-1-1)


Tier 5 (.333 Winning %) – Songs 80-115

The Answer Lies Within (1-2)
Begin Again (1-2)
Behind the Veil (1-2)
Beneath the Surface (1-2)
The Best of Times (1-2)
A Better Life (1-2)
Chosen (1-2)
Don’t Look Past Me (1-2)
The Enemy Inside (1-2)
Enigma Machine (1-2)
Fatal Tragedy (1-2) 
A Fortune in Lies (1-2)
The Gift of Music (1-2)
Heaven’s Cove (1-2)
Hollow Years (1-2)
Honor Thy Father (1-2)
Hymn of a Thousand Voices (1-2)
Lord Nafaryus (1-2)
Lost Not Forgotten (1-2)
The Ministry of Lost Souls (1-2)
A Nightmare to Remember (1-2)
Prophets of War (1-2)
Repentance (1-2)
Room 137 (1-2)
A Savior in the Square (1-2)
The Silent Man (1-2)
Stream of Consciousness (1-2)
A Tempting Offer (1-2)
These Walls (1-2)
This is the Life (1-2)
To Live Forever (1-2)
Vacant (1-2)
Viper King (1-2)
The Walking Shadow (1-2)
Wither (1-2)
Ytse Jam (1-2)

Tier 6 (.167 Winning %) Songs 116 & 117

Dystopian Overture (0-2-1)
The X Aspect (0-2-1)

Tier 7 (.000 Winning %) Songs 118-152

2285 Entr’acte (0-3)
Act of Faythe (0-3)
Another Won (0-3)
The Answer (0-3)
Astonishing (0-3)
Brother, Can You Hear Me? (0-3)
Burning My Soul (0-3)
Cover My Eyes (0-3)
The Dark Eternal Night (0-3)
Eve (0-3) 
False Awakening Suite (0-3)
Far From Heaven (0-3)
Just Let Me Breathe (0-3)
The Killing Hand (0-3)
Light Fuse and Get Away (0-3)
The Looking Glass (0-3)
Losing Faythe (0-3)
Moment of Betrayal (0-3)
My Last Farewell (0-3)
A New Beginning (0-3)
One Last Time (0-3)
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (0-3)
Only A Matter of Time (0-3)
Raise the Knife (0-3)
Raw Dog (0-3)
Regression (0-3)
A Rite of Passage (0-3)
Speak to Me (0-3)
Status Seeker (0-3)
Take Away My Pain (0-3)
Through My Words (0-3)
The Way It Used to Be (0-3)
Where Are You Now? (0-3)
Whispers On the Wind (0-3)
You Not Me (0-3)


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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2019, 01:09:59 AM »
Three songs off d/t continue to be in the lead!

Pity that Speak to Me and Raise the Knife can't get any but I assume their status as almost forgotten songs works against them. And also Astonishing (the song) getting always defeating, woe!

EDIT: Didn't notice that Build Me Up, Break Me Down is in the lead. Positively surprised since I guess I'm in the minority in appreciating as well the simpler side of DT. Or probably it was just up against Raw Dog and Another Won  :lol
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2019, 11:30:49 AM »
Pity that Speak to Me and Raise the Knife can't get any but I assume their status as almost forgotten songs works against them.

I think the vast majority of folks on these boards know the songs pretty well.  I think their 0-3 record is more an indication that they're not very good songs -- especially since, for the most part, they didn't exactly have difficult matchups.  RTK lost to Pale Blue Dot, which seems to be high on most folks lists of favorites from DOT, but it also lost to not-very-highly-regarded songs like Disappear and The Shattered Fortress.  Speak to Me couldn't even beat The Great Debate or A Life Left Behind, and its other loss was to Erotomania.
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2019, 12:16:18 PM »
Week 4-A - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53685.0
1.   New Millennium defeats A Fortune in Lies 22-15
2.   Erotomania defeats Dystopian Overture 28-9
3.   Another Day defeats Losing Faythe 34-2 
4.   The Dark Eternal Night defeats 2285 Entr’acte 23-14
5.   Beyond This Life defeats Hymn of a Thousand Voices 32-5
6.   Take the Time defeats The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 36-1
7.   Stream of Consciousness defeats The Silent Man 29-8
8.   Speak to Me defeats The Way It Used to Be 25-6
9.   S2N defeats Three Days 26-11
10.   Hell’s Kitchen defeats Brother, Can You Hear Me? 31-7
11.   Astonishing defeats Light Fuse and Get Away 19-18
12.   Trial of Tears defeats Raw Dog 38-0 
13.   Home defeats Burning My Soul 38-0
14.   Pull Me Under defeats Vacant 29-9 
15.   On the Backs of Angels defeats Wither 26-12 
16.   One Last Time defeats Whispers On the Wind 37-1 
17.   Lord Nafaryus defeats Afterlife 19-18
18.   The Glass Prison defeats The Best of Times 34-4 
19.   Surrounded & The Mirror tied 19-19 

Week 4-B - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53693.0
1.   The Gift of Music defeats A Better Life 26-9
2.   Lie defeats Another Won 29-6
3.   The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Take Away My Pain 21-15
4.   The Path That Divides defeats The Answer 27-6 
5.   Surrender to Reason defeats The Shattered Fortress 20-16 
6.   These Walls defeats Room 137 24-12
7.   Raise the Knife defeats Through My Words 26-10 
8.   To Live Forever defeats Regression 27-9 
9.   Heaven’s Cove defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down
10.   Outcry defeats Wait For Sleep 19-17
11.   Panic Attack defeats When Your Time Has Come 24-11
12.   Ytse Jam defeats Our New World 20-16
13.   Behind the Veil defeats Just Let Me Breathe 30-6 
14.   A New Beginning defeats Only a Matter of Time 20-15 
15.   Fall Into The Light defeats Enigma Machine 33-2 
16.   Moment of Betrayal defeats Act of Faythe 
17.   Bridges in the Sky defeats I Walk Beside You 31-5
18.   Finally Free defeats Disappear 22-14 
19.   Lifting Shadows Off a Dream defeats At Wit’s End 19-17 

Week 4-C - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53698.0
1.   A Change of Seasons defeats The Enemy Inside 34-2 
2.   The Great Debate defeats The Answer Lies Within 31-5
3.   The Bigger Picture defeats The Looking Glass 21-14
4.   The Root of All Evil defeats Status Seeker 32-4 
5.   Scarred defeats The Walking Shadow 33-2 
6.   Caught In a Web defeats Hollow Years 26-10
7.   This Dying Soul defeats Repentance 32-4 
8.   Sacrificed Sons defeats This is the Life 19-17 
9.   Viper King defeats Prophets of War 22-13 
10.   Voices defeats Overture 1928 27-9
11.   Forsaken defeats Cover My Eyes 28-8
12.   Eve defeats Don’t Look Past Me 25-9 
13.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Anna Lee 24-12   
14.   Out of Reach defeats You Not Me 30-6
15.   A Life Left Behind defeats Never Enough 25-10
16.   Innocence Faded defeats Beneath The Surface 20-16
17.   My Last Farewell defeats A Tempting Offer 17-15
18.   Blind Faith defeats Honor Thy Father 31-5
19.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats Barstool Warrior 19-16 

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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2019, 01:00:57 PM »
Tiebreakers for final standings

For 2 Songs with the same winning percentage:
1. Head to Head Winner (If applicable)
2. Record against common songs (If applicable)
3. Strength of Victory (Average Winning Percentage of Songs defeated during the season).
4. Strength of Schedule (Average Winning Percentage of Songs faced during the season).
5. Total Votes Cast for song during the regular season.

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« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2019, 01:59:25 PM »
Tiebreakers for final standings

For 2 Songs with the same winning percentage:
1. Head to Head Winner (If applicable)
2. Record against common songs (If applicable)
3. Strength of Victory (Average Winning Percentage of Songs defeated during the season).
4. Strength of Schedule (Average Winning Percentage of Songs faced during the season).
5. Total Votes Cast for song during the regular season.

You went the NFL route for tiebreakers. I like it.
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2019, 03:10:41 PM »
Tiebreakers for final standings

For 2 Songs with the same winning percentage:
1. Head to Head Winner (If applicable)
2. Record against common songs (If applicable)
3. Strength of Victory (Average Winning Percentage of Songs defeated during the season).
4. Strength of Schedule (Average Winning Percentage of Songs faced during the season).
5. Total Votes Cast for song during the regular season.

You went the NFL route for tiebreakers. I like it.

Absolutely. I think it's the most fair way to go.

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« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2019, 09:56:18 PM »
Pity that Speak to Me and Raise the Knife can't get any but I assume their status as almost forgotten songs works against them.

I think the vast majority of folks on these boards know the songs pretty well.  I think their 0-3 record is more an indication that they're not very good songs -- especially since, for the most part, they didn't exactly have difficult matchups.  RTK lost to Pale Blue Dot, which seems to be high on most folks lists of favorites from DOT, but it also lost to not-very-highly-regarded songs like Disappear and The Shattered Fortress.  Speak to Me couldn't even beat The Great Debate or A Life Left Behind, and its other loss was to Erotomania.

I always thought RTK was held in very high regard. 

In fact, I distinctly remember many people saying when they heard it...."This should have made it onto FII instead of Lines in the Sand"
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« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2019, 04:05:01 AM »
Even though Lines in the sand is considered a classic by many, I would agree with that. But then again, I would actually exchange plenty of FII songs for the ones that can only be heard in the demos.

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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2019, 07:35:30 AM »
Week 4-D - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53701.msg2539024#msg2539024
1.   Paralyzed defeats Untethered Angel 19-15
2.   The Count of Tuscany defeats The Killing hand 23-12 
3.   Strange Déjà vu defeats The Road to Revolution 32-3 
4.   Space-Dye Vest defeats The X Aspect 29-6 
5.   Ravenskill defeat Through Her Eyes 24-11
6.   Under a Glass Moon defeats Peruvian Skies 23-12 
7.   Endless Sacrifice defeats False Awakening Suite 29-6 
8.   Lines in the Sand defeats Along for the Ride 30-5 
9.   6:00 defeats The Dance of Eternity 18-16
10.   Pale Blue Dot defeats Where Are You Now? 29-4
11.   Octavarium defeats A Nightmare to Remember 34-1
12.   Misunderstood defeats A Rite of Passage 33-2 
13.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Chosen 31-4 
14.   Constant Motion & Far From Heaven tied 17-17 
15.   In the Name of God defeats Begin Again 32-3
16.   Metropolis defeats A Savior in the Square 33-1
17.   Learning to Live defeats As I Am 31-4
18.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats The Spirit Carries On 25-9

Week 4 Match of the Week - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53704.0
Breaking All Illusions defeats Illumination Theory 30-9
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2019, 08:00:53 AM »
Standings after Week 4

Tier 1 (1.000 Winning %) – Songs 1-25
Another Day (4-0)
Beyond This Life (4-0)
Blind Faith (4-0)
Breaking All Illusions (4-0)
Bridges in the Sky (4-0)
A Change of Seasons (4-0)
The Count of Tuscany (4-0)
Erotomania (4-0)
Finally Free (4-0)
Home (4-0)
In the Name of God (4-0)
In the Presence of Enemies (4-0)
Innocence Faded (4-0)
Learning to Live (4-0)
A Life Left Behind (4-0)
Metropolis (4-0)
Misunderstood (4-0)
The Path That Divides (4-0)
Pull Me Under (4-0)
S2N (4-0)
Scarred (4-0)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (4-0)
Surrender to Reason (4-0)
Take the Time (4-0)
Trial of Tears (4-0)

Tier 2 (.875 Winning %) – Songs 26-28
Lie (3-0-1)
The Mirror (3-0-1)
This Dying Soul (3-0-1)

Tier 3 (.750 Winning %) – Songs 29-59
6:00 (3-1)
At Wit’s End (3-1)
Barstool Warrior (3-1)
The Bigger Picture (3-1)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down (3-1)
The Dance of Eternity (3-1)
Endless Sacrifice (3-1)
Fall Into the Light (3-1)
Forsaken (3-1)
The Glass Prison (3-1)
The Great Debate (3-1)
Hell’s Kitchen (3-1)
Illumination Theory (3-1)
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (3-1)
Lines in the Sand (3-1)
New Millennium (3-1)
Octavarium (3-1)
On the Backs of Angels (3-1)
Out of Reach (3-1)
Outcry (3-1)
Pale Blue Dot (3-1)
Paralyzed (3-1)
Ravenskill (3-1)
The Road to Revolution (3-1)
Sacrificed Sons (3-1)
Space-Dye Vest (3-1)
The Spirit Carries On (3-1)
Strange Déjà vu (3-1)
The Root of All Evil (3-1)
Under a Glass Moon (3-1)
Voices (3-1)


Tier 4 (.625 Winning %) Songs 60-63
Caught in a Web (2-1-1)
Constant Motion (2-1-1)
Panic Attack (2-1-1)
Surrounded (2-1-1)

Tier 5 (.500 Winning %) Songs 64-91
Afterlife (2-2)
Along For the Ride (2-2)
Anna Lee (2-2)
As I Am (2-2)
Behind the Veil (2-2)
Disappear (2-2)
Fatal Tragedy (2-2) 
The Gift of Music (2-2)
Heaven’s Cove (2-2)
I Walk Beside You (2-2)
Lord Nafaryus (2-2)
Lost Not Forgotten (2-2)
The Ministry of Lost Souls (2-2)
Never Enough (2-2)
Our New World (2-2)
Overture 1928 (2-2)
Peruvian Skies (2-2)
The Shattered Fortress (2-2)
Stream of Consciousness (2-2)
These Walls (2-2)
Three Days (2-2)
Through Her Eyes (2-2)
To Live Forever (2-2)
Untethered Angel (2-2)
Viper King (2-2)
Wait For Sleep (2-2)
When Your Time Has Come (2-2)
Ytse Jam (2-2)


Tier 6 (.250 Winning %) Songs 92-124
The Answer Lies Within (1-3)
Astonishing (1-3)
Begin Again (1-3)
Beneath the Surface (1-3)
The Best of Times (1-3)
A Better Life (1-3)
Chosen (1-3)
The Dark Eternal Night (1-3)
Don’t Look Past Me (1-3)
The Enemy Inside (1-3)
Enigma Machine (1-3)
Eve (1-3) 
A Fortune in Lies (1-3)
Hollow Years (1-3)
Honor Thy Father (1-3)
Hymn of a Thousand Voices (1-3)
Moment of Betrayal (1-3)
My Last Farewell (1-3)
A New Beginning (1-3)
A Nightmare to Remember (1-3)
One Last Time (1-3)
Prophets of War (1-3)
Raise the Knife (1-3)
Repentance (1-3)
Room 137 (1-3)
A Savior in the Square (1-3)
The Silent Man (1-3)
Speak to Me (1-3)
A Tempting Offer (1-3)
This is the Life (1-3)
Vacant (1-3)
The Walking Shadow (1-3)
Wither (1-3)


Tier 7 (.125 Winning %) Songs 125 & 127
Far From Heaven (0-3-1)
Dystopian Overture (0-3-1)
The X Aspect (0-3-1)


Tier 7 (.000 Winning %) Songs 128-152
2285 Entr’acte (0-4)
Act of Faythe (0-4)
Another Won (0-4)
The Answer (0-4)
Brother, Can You Hear Me? (0-4)
Burning My Soul (0-4)
Cover My Eyes (0-4)
False Awakening Suite (0-4)
Just Let Me Breathe (0-4)
The Killing Hand (0-4)
Light Fuse and Get Away (0-4)
The Looking Glass (0-4)
Losing Faythe (0-4)
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (0-4)
Only A Matter of Time (0-4)
Raw Dog (0-4)
Regression (0-4)
A Rite of Passage (0-4)
Status Seeker (0-4)
Take Away My Pain (0-4)
Through My Words (0-4)
The Way It Used to Be (0-4)
Where Are You Now? (0-4)
Whispers On the Wind (0-4)
You Not Me (0-4)


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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 4 Standings
« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2019, 07:49:59 AM »
Busy weekend. So standings won't be posted for another day or so.


Week 5-A - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53716.0
1.   6:00 defeats Sacrificed Sons 20-18 
2.   Moment of Betrayal defeats Heaven’s Cove 24-11
3.   Repentance defeats A Better Life 20-18 
4.   A Change of Seasons defeats Room 137 36-3
5.   Space-Dye Vest defeats Raise the Knife 27-11
6.   Scarred defeats Raw Dog 38-1 
7.   Ravenskill defeats Speak to Me 21-15 
8.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats Regression 37-2 
9.   Stream of Consciousness defeats Paralyzed 29-10 
10.   Status Seeker defeats Prophets of War 22-16
11.   Overture 1928 defeats The Answer 35-3 
12.   Panic Attack defeats Take Away My Pain 26-11 
13.   Our New World defeats The Answer Lies Within 24-15
14.   Breaking All Illusions defeats These Walls 33-5 
15.   A Life Left Behind defeats The Gift of Music 21-16 
16.   The Count of Tuscany defeats One Last Time 28-11
17.   On the Backs of Angels & The Bigger Picture tied at 18-18 
18.   Pull Me Under defeats Strange Déjà vu 21-17 
19.   Surrounded defeats Pale Blue Dot 24-15 

Week 5-B - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53720.0
1.   The Enemy Inside defeats A Fortune in Lies 23-14
2.   Out of Reach defeats The Best of Times 19-17
3.   As I Am defeats The Silent Man 29-7 
4.   A Nightmare to Remember defeats The Dark Eternal Night 23-14
5.   The Killing Hand defeats A Rite of Passage 26-9
6.   The Glass Prison defeats A Tempting Offer 35-2 
7.   The Looking Glass defeats A Savior In the Square 27-10 
8.   The Great Debate defeats Act of Faythe 31-5 
9.   Afterlife defeats The Path That Divides 19-16 
10.   The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Anna Lee 22-14
11.   Along For the Ride defeats The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 23-12 
12.   The Dance of Eternity defeats A New Beginning 21-15 
13.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Another Won 26-9
14.   At Wit’s End defeats The Root of All Evil 30-7
15.   Barstool Warrior defeats The Way It Used to Be 33-4 
16.   The Spirit Carries On defeats Behind the Veil 27-10 
17.   The Mirror defeats Another Day 27-10 
18.   Take the Time defeats Outcry 29-8   
19.   Astonishing defeats The Road To Revolution 22-13 

Week 5-C - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53728.0
1.   The X Aspect defeats Begin Again 17-14
2.   Beneath the Surface defeats The Walking Shadow 22-10
3.   Match Moved to Week 5-D, Match 1
4.   Peruvian Skies defeats Surrender to Reason 24-10 
5.   Bridges in the Sky defeats This Dying Soul 25-8
6.   To Live Forever defeats Brother, Can You Hear Me? 22-9
7.   Through Her Eyes defeats Burning My Soul 22-12 
8.   Trial of Tears defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 32-2
9.   Caught in a Web defeats Through My Words 30-4 
10.   Vacant defeats Chosen 23-11
11.   Under a Glass Moon defeats Cover My Eyes 33-1
12.   Constant Motion defeats Viper King 19-16 
13.   Disappear defeats Untethered Angel 26-8
14.   When Your Time Has Come defeats Don’t Look Past Me 22-9
15.   Dystopian Overture defeats Where Are You Now? 27-4 
16.   Wait For Sleep defeats Enigma Machine 26-7 
17.   Erotomania defeats You Not Me 32-1 
18.   Voices defeats Endless Sacrifice 27-7 
19.   Blind Faith defeats Three Days 23-11

Week 5-D - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53736.0
1.   Beyond This Life defeats This is the Life 28-5 
2.   Fall Into The Light defeats Whispers On the Wind 31-2
3.   Ytse Jam defeats Eve 23-10 
4.   Wither defeats False Awakening Suite 23-10 
5.   Octavarium defeats Far From Heaven 31-2 
6.   Finally Free defeats Never Enough 31-2 
7.   Fatal Tragedy defeats Only a Matter of Time 30-3 
8.   New Millennium defeats Forsaken 18-15
9.   S2N defeats 2285 Entr’acte 31-2
10.   Metropolis defeats Hollow Years 30-2 
11.   Hell’s Kitchen defeats My Last Farewell 26-6 
12.   Honor Thy Father defeats Losing Faythe 25-8 
13.   Lines in the Sand defeats I Walk Beside You 26-7 
14.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Hymn of a Thousand Voices 27-5 
15.   Illumination Theory defeats Lord Nafaryus 23-10 
16.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats Light Fuse and Get Away 28-5 
17.   Lie defeats Just Let Me Breathe 26-7 
18.   Learning to Live defeats Innocence Faded  30-3
19.   In the Name of God defeats Lifting Shadows Off a Dream 23-10 

Week 5 Match of the Week - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53739.0
Home defeats Misunderstood 21-14

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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 4 Standings
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2019, 09:52:18 AM »
Standing after Week 5.

As a reminder, tiebreakers will be applied at season's end. Top 64 make it to the Championship Tournament.

Standings after Week 5

Tier 1 (1.000 Winning %) – Songs 1-20
Beyond This Life (5-0)
Blind Faith (5-0)
Breaking All Illusions (5-0)
Bridges in the Sky (5-0)
A Change of Seasons (5-0)
The Count of Tuscany (5-0)
Erotomania (5-0)
Finally Free (5-0)
Home (5-0)
In the Name of God (5-0)
In the Presence of Enemies (5-0)
Learning to Live (5-0)
A Life Left Behind (5-0)
Metropolis (5-0)
Pull Me Under (5-0)
S2N (5-0)
Scarred (5-0)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (5-0)
Take the Time (5-0)
Trial of Tears (5-0)

Tier 2 (.900 Winning %) – Songs 21 & 22
Lie (4-0-1)
The Mirror (4-0-1)

Tier 3 (.800 Winning %) – Songs 23-45
6:00 (4-1)
Another Day (4-1)
At Wit’s End (4-1)
Barstool Warrior (4-1)
The Dance of Eternity (4-1)
Fall Into the Light (4-1)
The Glass Prison (4-1)
The Great Debate (4-1)
Hell’s Kitchen (4-1)
Illumination Theory (4-1)
Innocence Faded (4-1)
Lines in the Sand (4-1)
Misunderstood (4-1)
New Millennium (4-1)
Octavarium (4-1)
Out of Reach (4-1)
The Path That Divides (4-1)
Ravenskill (4-1)
Space-Dye Vest (4-1)
The Spirit Carries On (4-1)
Surrender to Reason (4-1)   
Under a Glass Moon (4-1)
Voices (4-1)

Tier 4 (.700 Winning %) Songs 46-52
The Bigger Picture (3-1-1)
Caught in a Web (3-1-1)
Constant Motion (3-1-1)
On the Backs of Angels (3-1-1)
Panic Attack (3-1-1)
Surrounded (3-1-1)
This Dying Soul (3-1-1)

Tier 5 (.600 Winning %) Songs 53-80
Afterlife (3-2)
Along For the Ride (3-2)
As I Am (3-2)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down (3-2)
Disappear (3-2)
Endless Sacrifice (3-2)
Fatal Tragedy (3-2) 
Forsaken (3-2)
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (3-2)
Lost Not Forgotten (3-2)
The Ministry of Lost Souls (3-2)
Our New World (3-2)
Outcry (3-2)
Overture 1928 (3-2)
Pale Blue Dot (3-2)
Paralyzed (3-2)
Peruvian Skies (3-2)
The Road to Revolution (3-2)
The Root of All Evil (3-2)
Sacrificed Sons (3-2)
The Shattered Fortress (3-2)
Strange Déjà vu (3-2)
Stream of Consciousness (3-2)
Through Her Eyes (3-2)
To Live Forever (3-2)
Wait For Sleep (3-2)
When Your Time Has Come (3-2)
Ytse Jam (3-2)

Tier 6 (.400 Winning %) Songs 81-100
Anna Lee (2-3)
Astonishing (2-3)
Behind the Veil (2-3)
Beneath the Surface (2-3)
The Enemy Inside (2-3)
The Gift of Music (2-3)
Heaven’s Cove (2-3)
Honor Thy Father (2-3)
I Walk Beside You (2-3)
Lord Nafaryus (2-3)
Moment of Betrayal (2-3)
Never Enough (2-3)
A Nightmare to Remember (2-3)
Repentance (2-3)
These Walls (2-3)
Three Days (2-3)
Untethered Angel (2-3)
Vacant (2-3)
Viper King (2-3)
Wither (2-3)

Tier 7 (.300 Winning %) Songs 101 & 102
Dystopian Overture (1-3-1)
The X Aspect (1-3-1)

Tier 8 (.200 Winning &) Songs 103-129
The Answer Lies Within (1-4)
The Best of Times (1-4)
Begin Again (1-4)
A Better Life (1-4)
Chosen (1-4)
The Dark Eternal Night (1-4)
Don’t Look Past Me (1-4)
Enigma Machine (1-4)
Eve (1-4) 
A Fortune in Lies (1-4)
Hollow Years (1-4)
Hymn of a Thousand Voices (1-4)
The Killing Hand (1-4)
The Looking Glass (1-4)
My Last Farewell (1-4)
A New Beginning (1-4)
One Last Time (1-4)
Prophets of War (1-4)
Raise the Knife (1-4)
Room 137 (1-4)
A Savior in the Square (1-4)
The Silent Man (1-4)
Speak to Me (1-4)
Status Seeker (1-4)
A Tempting Offer (1-4)
This is the Life (1-4)
The Walking Shadow (1-4)

Tier 9 (.100 Winning %) Songs 130
Far From Heaven (0-4-1)


Tier 10 (.000 Winning %) Songs 131-152
2285 Entr’acte (0-5)
Act of Faythe (0-5)
Another Won (0-5)
The Answer (0-5)
Brother, Can You Hear Me? (0-5)
Burning My Soul (0-5)
Cover My Eyes (0-5)
False Awakening Suite (0-5)
Just Let Me Breathe (0-5)
Light Fuse and Get Away (0-5)
Losing Faythe (0-5)
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (0-5)
Only A Matter of Time (0-5)
Raw Dog (0-5)
Regression (0-5)
A Rite of Passage (0-5)
Take Away My Pain (0-5)
Through My Words (0-5)
The Way It Used to Be (0-5)
Where Are You Now? (0-5)
Whispers On the Wind (0-5)
You Not Me (0-5)


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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 5 Standings
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2019, 11:50:45 AM »
I'll see the silliness of my question once I'll have it answered I'm sure, but.... why Lie and The Mirror are on their own in a 4-0-1 category? if they won 4 matches and lost 1, shouldn't they belong together with the bunch of songs that come immediately after?
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 5 Standings
« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2019, 01:57:32 PM »
I'll see the silliness of my question once I'll have it answered I'm sure, but.... why Lie and The Mirror are on their own in a 4-0-1 category? if they won 4 matches and lost 1, shouldn't they belong together with the bunch of songs that come immediately after?

"4-0-1" means 4 wins, zero losses and 1 tie.  The Mirror tied with Surrounded during week 4, and Lie tied with Caught in a Web during week 3.  Neither song has lost yet.
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 5 Standings
« Reply #61 on: April 15, 2019, 03:42:26 PM »
Ah, ok, thanks. I assumed in my head a wins - draws - losses order, so I couldn't figure out why the draw was marked 0.
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 5 Standings
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2019, 09:19:34 AM »
That's 'murrcan sports for ya. Ties/draws are not as frequent as in British sportsball.

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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 5 Standings
« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2019, 09:26:25 AM »
Week 6-A - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53750.0

1.   The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun defeats Regression 22-10 
2.   Take the Time defeats A Better Life 31-3
3.   A Change of Seasons defeats The Answer 32-2
4.   The Answer Lies Within defeats Status Seeker 19-14
5.   Strange Déjà vu defeats The Best of Times 29-5 
6.   Stream of Consciousness defeats The Bigger Picture 24-10 
7.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats The Dark Eternal Night 31-3 
8.   Another Won defeats Whispers On the Wind 18-15
9.   Space-Dye Vest defeats The Enemy Inside 23-11 
10.   The Gift of Music defeats Speak to Me 22-11
11.   The Glass Prison defeats Repentance 31-3 
12.   S2N defeats The Killing Hand 20-14
13.   The Root of All Evil defeats Peruvian Skies 20-14 
14.   Sacrificed Sons defeats The Looking Glass 18-16 
15.   The Ministry of Lost Souls defeats Raise the Knife 19-14
16.   The Mirror defeats Ravenskill 29-5
17.   The Count of Tuscany defeats Surrender to Reason 30-4 
18.   Scarred defeats The Dance of Eternity 30-3 
19.   The Spirit Carries On defeats Outcry 20-14 

Week 6-B - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53754.0
1.   6:00 defeats Take Away My Pain 30-6
2.   Paralyzed defeats The Road to Revolution 30-6
3.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Prophets of War 28-8
4.   The Great Debate defeats Room 137 26-10
5.   Pull Me Under defeats The Silent Man 29-7 
6.   The Path That Divides defeats Raw Dog 30-4
7.   A Life Left Behind defeats Through My Words 30-6
8.   Overture 1928 defeats The Walking Shadow 33-2 
9.   Pale Blue Dot defeats The Way It Used to Be 31-5 
10.   Panic Attack defeats The X Aspect 30-6
11.   These Walls defeats On the Backs of Angels  21-15
12.   This Dying Soul defeats One Last Time 21-14
13.   This is the Life defeats Our New World 19-16
14.   Three Days defeats Out of Reach 21-15 
15.   Through Her Eyes defeats A Fortune in Lies 19-17
16.   A New Beginning defeats To Live Forever 23-11 
17.   Trial of Tears defeats A Nightmare to Remember 30-6
18.   Under a Glass Moon defeats A Rite of Passage 32-2
19.   Metropolis defeats Beyond This Life 28-7 

Week 6-C - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53758.0
1.   Octavarium defeats Behind the Veil 31-3
2.   Vacant defeats A Tempting Offer 25-9 
3.   As I Am defeats Wither 26-8
4.   Voices defeats Afterlife 29-5 
5.   Wait For Sleep defeats Along For the Ride 30-4 
6.   Anna Lee defeats When Your Time Has Come 19-15 
7.   Another Day defeats Where Are You Now? 32-2
8.   Surrounded defeats 2285 Entr’acte 32-2
9.   Astonishing defeats You Not Me 22-12
10.   At Wit’s End defeats Ytse Jam 30-4
11.   Untethered Angel defeats Savior In the Square 21-10
12.   Barstool Warrior defeats Never Enough 27-7 
13.   Viper King defeats Act of Faythe 24-9
14.   New Millennium defeats Begin Again 23-10
15.   Beneath The Surface defeats Only a Matter of Time
16.   Breaking All Illusions defeats Moment of Betrayal 34-0 
17.   Bridges in the Sky defeats My Last Farewell 32-2 
18.   Lines in the Sand defeats Brother, Can You Hear Me? 32-2
19.   Blind Faith defeats Misunderstood 21-13

Week 6-D - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53767.0
1.   Illumination Theory defeats False Awakening Suite 30-5
2.   Lord Nafaryus defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 20-13
3.   Burning My Soul defeats Losing Faythe 22-13
4.   Caught in a Web defeats Lost Not Forgotten 21-14
5.   Learning to Live defeats Chosen 33-2
6.   Lie defeats Constant Motion 25-10
7.   Lifting Shadows Off a Dream defeats Cover My Eyes 32-1
8.   Disappear defeats Light Fuse and Get Away 26-8
9.   In the Name of God defeats Don’t Look Past Me 31-4 
10.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats Dystopian Overture 31- 4
11.   Just Let Me Breathe defeats Enigma Machine 18-17
12.   Erotomania defeats Honor Thy Father 25-10
13.   Eve defeats Hymn of a Thousand Voices 23-12
14.   Fall Into the Light defeats I Walk Beside You 26-9
15.   Far From Heaven defeats Heaven’s Cove 20-14
16.   Finally Free defeats Hollow Years 33-2
17.   Home defeats Forsaken 33-2 
18.   Endless Sacrifice defeats Innocence Faded 20-15 

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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 5 Standings
« Reply #64 on: April 21, 2019, 06:53:05 AM »
Week 6 Match of the Week - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53774.0
Fatal Tragedy defeats Hell’s Kitchen 22-14


Standings after Week 6

Tier 1 (1.000 Winning %) – Songs 1-19
Blind Faith (6-0)
Breaking All Illusions (6-0)
Bridges in the Sky (6-0)
A Change of Seasons (6-0)
The Count of Tuscany (6-0)
Erotomania (6-0)
Finally Free (6-0)
Home (6-0)
In the Name of God (6-0)
In the Presence of Enemies (6-0)
Learning to Live (6-0)
A Life Left Behind (6-0)
Metropolis (6-0)
Pull Me Under (6-0)
S2N (6-0)
Scarred (6-0)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (6-0)
Take the Time (6-0)
Trial of Tears (6-0)

Tier 2 (.917 Winning %) Songs 20 & 21
Lie (5-0-1)
The Mirror (5-0-1)

Tier 3 (.833 Winning %) Songs 22-38
6:00 (5-1)
Another Day (5-1)
At Wit’s End (5-1)
Barstool Warrior (5-1)
Beyond This Life (5-1)
Fall Into the Light (5-1)
The Glass Prison (5-1)
The Great Debate (5-1)
Illumination Theory (5-1)
Lines in the Sand (5-1)
New Millennium (5-1)
Octavarium (5-1)
The Path That Divides (5-1)
Space-Dye Vest (5-1)
The Spirit Carries On (5-1)
Under a Glass Moon (5-1)
Voices (5-1)

Tier 4 (.750 Winning %) Songs 39-42
Caught in a Web (4-1-1)
Panic Attack (4-1-1)
Surrounded (4-1-1)
This Dying Soul (4-1-1)

Tier 5 (.667 Winning %) Songs 43-65
As I Am (4-2)
The Dance of Eternity (4-2)
Disappear (4-2)
Endless Sacrifice (4-2)
Fatal Tragedy (4-2) 
Hell’s Kitchen (4-2)
Innocence Faded (4-2)
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (4-2)
The Ministry of Lost Souls (4-2)
Out of Reach (4-2)
Overture 1928 (4-2)
Misunderstood (4-2)   
Pale Blue Dot (4-2)
Paralyzed (4-2)
Ravenskill (4-2)
The Root of All Evil (4-2)
Sacrificed Sons (4-2)
The Shattered Fortress (4-2)
Strange Déjà vu (4-2)
Stream of Consciousness (4-2)
Surrender to Reason (4-2)
Through Her Eyes (4-2)
Wait For Sleep (4-2)


Tier 6 (.583 Winning %) Songs 66-68
The Bigger Picture (3-2-1)
On the Backs of Angels (3-2-1)
Constant Motion (3-2-1)

Tier 7 (.500 Winning &) Songs 69-90
Afterlife (3-3)
Along For the Ride (3-3)
Anna Lee (3-3)
Astonishing (3-3)
Beneath the Surface (3-3)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down (3-3)
Forsaken (3-3)
The Gift of Music (3-3)
Lord Nafaryus (3-3)
Lost Not Forgotten (3-3)
Our New World (3-3)
Outcry (3-3)
Peruvian Skies (3-3)
The Road to Revolution (3-3)
These Walls (3-3)
Three Days (3-3)
To Live Forever (3-3)
Untethered Angel (3-3)
Vacant (3-3)
Viper King (3-3)
When Your Time Has Come (3-3)
Ytse Jam (3-3)

Tier 8 (.333 Winning %) Songs 91-104
The Answer Lies Within (2-4)
Behind the Veil (2-4)
The Enemy Inside (2-4)
Eve (2-4) 
Heaven’s Cove (2-4)
Honor Thy Father (2-4)
I Walk Beside You (2-4)
Moment of Betrayal (2-4)
Never Enough (2-4)
A New Beginning (2-4)
A Nightmare to Remember (2-4)
Repentance (2-4)
This is the Life (2-4)
Wither (2-4)

Tier 9 (.250 Winning %) Songs 105-107
Dystopian Overture (1-4-1)
Far From Heaven (1-4-1)
The X Aspect (1-4-1)

Tier 10 (.167 Winning %) Songs 108-134
Another Won (1-5)
Begin Again (1-5)
The Best of Times (1-5)
A Better Life (1-5)
Burning My Soul (1-5)
Chosen (1-5)
The Dark Eternal Night (1-5)
Don’t Look Past Me (1-5)
Enigma Machine (1-5)
A Fortune in Lies (1-5)
Hollow Years (1-5)
Hymn of a Thousand Voices (1-5)
The Killing Hand (1-5)
Just Let Me Breathe (1-5)
The Looking Glass (1-5)
My Last Farewell (1-5)
One Last Time (1-5)
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (1-5)
Prophets of War (1-5)
Raise the Knife (1-5)
Room 137 (1-5)
A Savior in the Square (1-5)
The Silent Man (1-5)
Speak to Me (1-5)
Status Seeker (1-5)
A Tempting Offer (1-5)
The Walking Shadow (1-5)

Tier 11 (.000 Winning %) Songs 135-152
2285 Entr’acte (0-6)
Act of Faythe (0-6)
The Answer (0-6)
Brother, Can You Hear Me? (0-6)
Cover My Eyes (0-6)
False Awakening Suite (0-6)
Light Fuse and Get Away (0-6)
Losing Faythe (0-6)
Only A Matter of Time (0-6)
Raw Dog (0-6)
Regression (0-6)
A Rite of Passage (0-6)
Take Away My Pain (0-6)
Through My Words (0-6)
The Way It Used to Be (0-6)
Where Are You Now? (0-6)
Whispers On the Wind (0-6)
You Not Me (0-6)


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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 6 Standings
« Reply #65 on: April 28, 2019, 07:31:51 AM »
Week 7-A https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53786.0
1.   A Change of Seasons defeats Whispers On the Wind  34-1
2.   Ytse Jam defeats 2285 Entr’acte 25-8
3.   A Better Life defeats Wither 21-14
4.   Voices defeats Only a Matter of Time 30-5 
5.   Never Enough defeats Where Are You Now? 27-8 
6.   Octavarium defeats Wait For Sleep 30-5
7.   New Millennium defeats When Your Time Has Come 22-12 
8.   Under a Glass Moon defeats My Last Farewell 32-2 
9.   Metropolis defeats Viper King 32-3 
10.   Untethered Angel defeats Moment of Betrayal 20-15
11.   Misunderstood defeats Vacant 31-4 
12.   Panic Attack defeats A Rite of Passage 31-4 
13.   Lost Not Forgotten defeats Through Her Eyes 24-10
14.   To Live Forever defeats Lord Nafaryus 20-14
15.   Through My Words defeats Losing Faythe 19-14 
16.   6:00 defeats You Not Me 31-3
17.   These Walls defeats Light Fuse and Get Away 28-7 
18.   Lifting Shadows Off a Dream defeats This Dying Soul 21-14 
19.   Learning to Live defeats Three Days 31-4 

Week 7-B - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53796.0
1.   Lie defeats This is the Life 18-16
2.   The Spirit Carries On defeats Just Let Me Breathe 28-6
3.   In the Name of God defeats The X Aspect 31-3 
4.   Innocence Faded defeats The Walking Shadow 25-8 
5.   In the Presence of Enemies defeats The Way It Used to Be 27-6
6.   Illumination Theory defeats The Road to Revolution 28-6 
7.   Honor Thy Father defeats The Silent Man 18-16
8.   The Root of All Evil defeats I Walk Beside You 27-7 
9.   The Shattered Fortress defeats Hymn of a Thousand Voices 26-6 
10.   Home defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 30-4 
11.   Heaven’s Cove defeats The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun 18-13
12.   The Mirror defeats Hollow Years 33-1
13.   Hell’s Kitchen defeats The Path That Divides 20-14 
14.   The Glass Prison defeats Forsaken 31-3
15.   The Looking Glass defeats Far From Heaven 20-14 
16.   Finally Free defeats The Great Debate 20-14
17.   The Dance of Eternity defeats False Awakening Suite 27-7 
18.   Erotomania defeats The Gift of Music 25-9 
19.   Scarred defeats Bridges in the Sky 23-11

Week 7-C https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53797.0
1.   Fall Into the Light defeats The Dark Eternal Night 23-10 
2.   The Enemy Inside defeats Eve 24-9
3.   Enigma Machine defeats The Answer Lies Within 17-16 
4.   The Count of Tuscany defeats Don’t Look Past Me 30-3
5.   The Bigger Picture defeats Dystopian Overture 23-10 
6.   Surrounded defeats Disappear 18-15 
7.   Chosen defeats The Answer 21-9
8.   Take Away My Pain defeats Cover My Eyes 26-7
9.   A Fortune in Lies defeats Out of Reach 18-15 
10.   Take the Time defeats Constant Motion 31-2
11.   Caught in a Web defeats Status Seeker 30-3
12.   Surrender to Reason defeats Brother, Can You Hear Me? 28-5 
13.   Fatal Tragedy defeats The Killing Hand 28-5 
14.   Strange Déjà vu defeats Burning My Soul 32-1
15.   Stream of Consciousness defeats Build Me Up, Break Me Down 28-5
16.   Beyond This Life defeats Speak to Me 26-7
17.   Beneath the Surface defeats Repentance 23-10
18.   Endless Sacrifice defeats The Best of Times 27-6 
19.   Blind Faith defeats Space-Dye Vest 17-16 

Week 7-D https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53808.0
1.   On the Backs of Angels defeats A Nightmare to Remember 21-13
2.   Barstool Warrior defeats Sacrificed Sons 23-11
3.   Behind the Veil defeats Room 137 23-10
4.   S2N defeats Begin Again 31-2 
5.   At Wit’s End defeats Raise the Knife 32-2 
6.   Another Won defeats Regression 22-7 
7.   Ravenskill defeats Astonishing 27-7 
8.   As I Am defeats Raw Dog 34-0 
9.   Another Day defeats Paralyzed 20-14 
10.   Pull Me Under defeats Afterlife 27-7 
11.   Peruvian Skies defeats Anna Lee 30-4 
12.   Along For the Ride defeats Prophets of War 18-16
13.   Outcry defeats Act of Faythe 30-4   
14.   Overture 1928 defeats A Tempting Offer 26-7
15.   Pale Blue Dot defeats A Savior in the Square 29-5
16.   A New Beginning defeats One Last Time 19-15
17.   A Life Left Behind defeats Our New World 17-16
18.   Trial of Tears defeats Lines in the Sand 23-12 

Week 7 Match of the Week  https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=53813.0
Breaking All Illusions defeats Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 20-14 


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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 6 Standings
« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2019, 07:44:53 AM »

Standings after Week 7

Tier 1 (1.000 Winning %) – Songs 1-17
Blind Faith (7-0)
Breaking All Illusions (7-0)
A Change of Seasons (7-0)
The Count of Tuscany (7-0)
Erotomania (7-0)
Finally Free (7-0)
Home (7-0)
In the Name of God (7-0)
In the Presence of Enemies (7-0)
Learning to Live (7-0)
A Life Left Behind (7-0)
Metropolis (7-0)
Pull Me Under (7-0)
S2N (7-0)
Scarred (7-0)
Take the Time (7-0)
Trial of Tears (7-0)

Tier 2 (.929 Winning %) Songs 18 & 19
Lie (6-0-1)
The Mirror (6-0-1)

Tier 3 (.857 Winning %) Songs 20-34
6:00 (6-1)
Another Day (6-1)
At Wit’s End (6-1)
Barstool Warrior (6-1)
Beyond This Life (6-1)
Bridges in the Sky (6-1)
Fall Into the Light (6-1)
The Glass Prison (6-1)
Illumination Theory (6-1)
New Millennium (6-1)
Octavarium (6-1)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (6-1)
The Spirit Carries On (6-1)
Under a Glass Moon (6-1)
Voices (6-1)


Tier 4 (.786 Winning %) Songs 35-37
Caught in a Web (5-1-1)
Panic Attack (5-1-1)
Surrounded (5-1-1)

Tier 5 (.714 Winning %) Songs 38-57
As I Am (5-2)
The Dance of Eternity (5-2)
Endless Sacrifice (5-2)
Fatal Tragedy (5-2) 
The Great Debate (5-2)
Hell’s Kitchen (5-2)
Innocence Faded (5-2)
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream (5-2)
Lines in the Sand (5-2)
Misunderstood (5-2)   
Overture 1928 (5-2)
Pale Blue Dot (5-2)
The Path That Divides (5-2)
Ravenskill (5-2)
The Root of All Evil (5-2)
The Shattered Fortress (5-2)
Space-Dye Vest (5-2)
Strange Déjà vu (5-2)
Stream of Consciousness (5-2)
Surrender to Reason (5-2)

Tier 6 (.643 Winning %) Songs 58-60
The Bigger Picture (4-2-1)
This Dying Soul (4-2-1)
On the Backs of Angels (4-2-1)

Tier 7 (.571 Winning %) Songs 61-76
Along For the Ride (4-3)
Beneath the Surface (4-3)
Disappear (4-3)
Lost Not Forgotten (4-3)
The Ministry of Lost Souls (4-3)
Out of Reach (4-3)
Outcry (4-3)
Paralyzed (4-3)
Peruvian Skies (4-3)
Sacrificed Sons (4-3)
These Walls (4-3)
Through Her Eyes (4-3)
To Live Forever (4-3)
Untethered Angel (4-3)
Wait For Sleep (4-3)
Ytse Jam (4-3)

Tier 8 (.500 Winning &) Song 77
Constant Motion (3-3-1)

Tier 9 (.429 Winning %) Songs 78-96
Afterlife (3-4)
Anna Lee (3-4)
Astonishing (3-4)
Behind the Veil (3-4)
Build Me Up, Break Me Down (3-4)
The Enemy Inside (3-4)
Forsaken (3-4)
The Gift of Music (3-4)
Heaven’s Cove (3-4)
Honor Thy Father (3-4)
Lord Nafaryus (3-4)
Never Enough (3-4)
A New Beginning (3-4)
Our New World (3-4)
The Road to Revolution (3-4)
Three Days (3-4)
Vacant (3-4)
Viper King (3-4)
When Your Time Has Come (3-4)

Tier 10 (.286 Winning %) Songs 97-110
Another Won (2-5)
The Answer Lies Within (2-5)
A Better Life (2-5)
Chosen (2-5)
Enigma Machine (2-5)
Eve (2-5) 
A Fortune in Lies (2-5)
I Walk Beside You (2-5)
The Looking Glass (2-5)
Moment of Betrayal (2-5)
A Nightmare to Remember (2-5)
Repentance (2-5)
This is the Life (2-5)
Wither (2-5)

Tier 11 (.214 Winning %) Songs 111-113
Dystopian Overture (1-5-1)
Far From Heaven (1-5-1)
The X Aspect (1-5-1)


Tier 12 (.143 Winning %) Songs 114-136
Begin Again (1-6)
The Best of Times (1-6)
Burning My Soul (1-6)
The Dark Eternal Night (1-6)
Don’t Look Past Me (1-6)
Hollow Years (1-6)
Hymn of a Thousand Voices (1-6)
Just Let Me Breathe (1-6)
The Killing Hand (1-6)
My Last Farewell (1-6)
One Last Time (1-6)
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (1-6)
Prophets of War (1-6)
Raise the Knife (1-6)
Room 137 (1-6)
A Savior in the Square (1-6)
The Silent Man (1-6)
Speak to Me (1-6)
Status Seeker (1-6)
Take Away My Pain (1-6)
A Tempting Offer (1-6)
Through My Words (1-6)
The Walking Shadow (1-6)

Tier 13 (.000 Winning %) Songs 137-152
2285 Entr’acte (0-7)
Act of Faythe (0-7)
The Answer (0-7)
Brother, Can You Hear Me? (0-7)
Cover My Eyes (0-7)
False Awakening Suite (0-7)
Light Fuse and Get Away (0-7)
Losing Faythe (0-7)
Only A Matter of Time (0-7)
Raw Dog (0-7)
Regression (0-7)
A Rite of Passage (0-7)
The Way It Used to Be (0-7)
Where Are You Now? (0-7)
Whispers On the Wind (0-7)
You Not Me (0-7)

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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 7 Standings
« Reply #67 on: April 28, 2019, 10:52:41 AM »
Through My Words actually won?!

As it happens, this is TMW's first time competing in the main tournament of DT the League, so while this is its first ever win in the competition, it's only had seven opportunities to win a match. It did partake in the 2016 pre-tournament Outsiders' Survivor.
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 7 Standings
« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2019, 11:09:03 AM »
I'm surprised Blind Faith managed to win them all so far and that Only a Matter of Time didn't get any, Through My Words got a win even before that song! Ok, I understand that the pairings might be easy / hard on the songs, but still, I thought by now OaMoT could get some.

Also, S2N so far is the leading track of the latest album... and Erotomania is the leader of the instrumentals, 7 times out of 7 so far it was judged better with a song with actual singing, but I know I'm in the vast minority on this forum considering an instrumental song, as beautiful as it might be, as starting with the "handicap" of not having a singer  :D
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Re: Dream Theater The League - Home Thread - Week 7 Standings
« Reply #69 on: April 29, 2019, 01:53:34 PM »
I'm not surprised at all about Blind Faith and Only a Matter of Time.  What's surprising to me is that SDOIT has a loss and TCoT doesn't after 7 weeks.  ???
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