2019 NFL Thread v. Chiefs are Champs, Missouri rules the sports world

[El Barto]

Vontaze Burfict was the one holding him back from pummeling his GM and OJ Simpson is telling him to calm down and relax. What more do you need to know about AB? 

Rosenhaus is apparently trying to drive a wedge between Gruden and Mayock in a last ditch effort to get his guaranteed money. In the meantime David Carr and the other team captains have all sided with management. Since AB doesn't seem like the let bygones be bygones type, you're also having to choose between AB and Carr now. Once again, how smart are the Raiders?

Honestly, this is more interesting than the game itself.

[King Postwhore]

Vontaze Burfict was the one holding him back from pummeling his GM and OJ Simpson is telling him to calm down and relax. What more do you need to know about AB? 

 

Imagine if he was cut?  Who would want that S#$%show?

[gmillerdrake]

Vontaze Burfict was the one holding him back from pummeling his GM and OJ Simpson is telling him to calm down and relax. What more do you need to know about AB? 

 

Imagine if he was cut?  Who would want that S#$%show?

I can't imagine they won't suspend him. The article I read says that if he's suspended then they escape paying him all his guaranteed $$$.

[King Postwhore]

Yup.  Well, he put himself in this position.  Shows you how much the Steelers did to deal with this kid when we only heard the whispers out of Pittsburgh. 

[bosk1]

No it wasn't.  Packers won.

[mikeyd23]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27552977/gruden-plan-brown-play-monday-night

I guess that tells us what we need to know about the Raiders. 

[Cool Chris]

OJ Simpson is telling him to calm down and relax.

No way! 

[KevShmev]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27552977/gruden-plan-brown-play-monday-night

I guess that tells us what we need to know about the Raiders. 

I doubt anyone is surprised.  The Raiders are getting duped by Brown and Rosenhaus, who are doing whatever they can to make sure he gets that guaranteed money.  My guess is Mayock wants to cut the cord, but is getting overruled by Gruden who is desperate to win and knows that losing Brown would make that a lot more difficult in the short term.

[Stadler]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27552977/gruden-plan-brown-play-monday-night

I guess that tells us what we need to know about the Raiders. 

That's not good.  Neither is this:

"Right now I think his relationship with Coach Gruden is good, very good," Rosenhaus said Friday. "I'm not going to get into his relationship with Mike Mayock, but I will say that we're hopeful that that will be a good one, as well. It has been in the past; it can be in the future."

Far be it from me to tell Jon Gruden how to coach his team, but you can't have deal fever.  Does Antonio Brown make a 5-11 team into a 11-5 team?  I don't think so.  I'm not even sure he makes a 7-9 team a 9-7 team. 

So why compromise everything?

[gmillerdrake]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27552977/gruden-plan-brown-play-monday-night

I guess that tells us what we need to know about the Raiders. 

If I were Carr I wouldn't throw one pass to him or towards his direction.

[El Barto]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27552977/gruden-plan-brown-play-monday-night

I guess that tells us what we need to know about the Raiders. 

Yep. Now we know.

I'm really amazed that they folded. Deciding to cut the guy would have been a really tough decision. Deciding to suspend him one game for time to re-evaluate was a no brainer. Not only do they wind up married to the guy, but they put up giant billboards announcing that he's above the team. Somebody needs to rework the Ditka/Ricky Williams wedding picture with AB as the groom and Gruden in a gimp suit, because he's definitely the bitch now. Ideal scenario is that he's gone in 6 weeks and the raiders lose 35 million, their quarterback, and their GM because of it.

Also, while being held back from pummeling Mayock he kept calling him a cracker. Imagine if the races were reversed there. Dude would never be allowed to play again.

[Cool Chris]

Or throw it too high/away from him so he can't catch anything. A state line of zero catches with a ton of targets looks a lot worse than zero targets.

[KevShmev]

Barto, I was avoiding that topic on purpose, but it goes without saying that if a white player had called a black GM the equivalent of cracker (not sure what the black equivalent is) that the player would be done.  Cracker is a small slur at worst, but still a slur nonetheless.

As for Carr, he is fighting for his starting QB life, so he can't afford to piss it away just to show up his diva WR.

[gmillerdrake]

Also, while being held back from pummeling Mayock he kept calling him a cracker. Imagine if the races were reversed there. Dude would never be allowed to play again.

That would be National Media news for a week or two......As it stands, this little scenario is just news in the sports world.

[mikeyd23]

Also, while being held back from pummeling Mayock he kept calling him a cracker. Imagine if the races were reversed there. Dude would never be allowed to play again.

That would be National Media news for a week or two......As it stands, this little scenario is just news in the sports world.

Yeah, obviously if the races were reversed things would be much different here.

Overall though, I'm with Barto. I'm surprised they folded completely. I expected the Raiders to give him at least a game or two suspension. Rough look for the organization right now.

[Cool Chris]

I just realized there is no NFL Survivor thread(?) Don't we usually do that every year?

[bosk1]

I was looking for it yesterday.  Bummed there isn't one.

[El Barto]

I just realized there is no NFL Survivor thread(?) Don't we usually do that every year?

That was always Doc's deal. Maybe he's no longer interested in dicking with it. I always enjoyed it, despite being pretty terrible at it.

[Cool Chris]

I could try and set it up if there is interest?

[TAC]

I think I was out after Week 1 last year. I'd be up for it.

[King Postwhore]

Antonio just put out a YouTube hype video with private conversations between Chucky and himself.

The dude is bat shit crazy!

[TAC]

The Raiders only have themselves to blame.

[King Postwhore]

Hey, we can get Antonio for a 3rd and a 5th?  What a steal!

[KevShmev]

 

(that's for both Brown and Gruden)

[King Postwhore]

[KevShmev]

"Officer, I thought it was that Mayock jerk. Those crackers all look the same!"

[King Postwhore]

 

[T-ski]

Lots of talk about the legality of using a private conversation without consent.

This is better than General Hospital.

[KevShmev]

Chris Mortensen has already tweeted that a Raiders source told him that Gruden thought this latest video was awesome.

The enabling continues!

[King Postwhore]

Damn. I hope the Raiders game is on the east coast.  I love to see the Hindenburg blow up again.

[PowerSlave]

Damn. I hope the Raiders game is on the east coast.  I love to see the Hindenburg blow up again.

You were there to see it the first time? Damn, you're older than I thought!!!   

[King Postwhore]

 

Time traveler.  Blob would be happy. 

[KevShmev]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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By fining Antonio Brown $215,073.53 last night for conduct detrimental to the team on Sept. 4, the Raiders voided the $29.125 million worth of guaranteed money in his deal, per league sources.

This could help explain why Brown is now asking the Raiders for his release.

[KevShmev]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
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1m
In addition to fining Antonio Brown $215,073.53 for conduct detrimental to the team that voided $29.125 million worth of guaranteed money in his contract, the Raiders sent Brown a letter that he no longer will be entitled to termination pay if they release him, per sources.

[Stadler]

I said above I'm a fan of Gruden.  I don't think this is a case of "well, he shouldn't have gone for it on fourth down"; that's just subjective gamesmanship.  This is very different.  And I'm really disappointed in Jon for not seeing the bigger picture here.  If I'm another Raider, I'm like "WTF?".

I can count on maybe three fingers the times when a coach's blatant favoritism could be justified (LT, Brady, and I'm going to save the third for a future choice).  In most cases, when a coach gets too enamored with a player it does not end well for the team, and this is that in spades. 

EDIT:  That Schefter bit is interesting; so they saved the money anyway?  Could Gruden be crazy like a fox?  I don't think so, but it's worth asking.