2019 NFL Thread v. Chiefs are Champs, Missouri rules the sports world

[El Barto]

Yeah, the last man selected is dubbed Mr. Irrelevant, and there's actually a lot of hoopla about it. Aside from the trophy there's a banquet dinner in his honor and a trip to Disney World. 

[cramx3]

A trip to Disney? 

[Stadler]

See, I love that stuff.  That's pretty cool, especially if the person has a sense of humor about it.

[Cool Chris]

I honestly cannot think of anything les interesting than the draft.

I am not a huge sports fan these days, but even back when I was, I would agree with this sentiment.

[PowerSlave]

I used to watch it faithfully every year. Now I just look up the results online after work to get a quick synopsis.

[cramx3]

I used to watch it faithfully every year. Now I just look up the results online after work to get a quick synopsis.

Yea, I forgot last night to even check, but now that I look.....  oh Gettleman, you really don't want to be the Giants GM do you?  How can a GM today, not know player value 

from espn:

Biggest question: Does Jones have franchise quarterback talent? One scout thought Jones was a "backup" with "pedestrian talent." Jones went to Duke as a non-scholarship player and isn't exactly blessed with a cannon arm or a dynamic skill set. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay didn't see it with Jones, either. He had him ranked as his 59th-best player in the draft. The Giants took him significantly higher. -- Jordan Raanan

Like, if you wanted this guy badly, fine, we need a QB, but the value was no where near #6.  There were much better players available at positions of need as well.

[Rattlehead]

It seems we may have seen the last of Tyreek Hill in a Chiefs jersey 

He should be permanently banned from the NFL.

[romdrums]

I used to watch it faithfully every year. Now I just look up the results online after work to get a quick synopsis.

Yea, I forgot last night to even check, but now that I look.....  oh Gettleman, you really don't want to be the Giants GM do you?  How can a GM today, not know player value 

from espn:

Biggest question: Does Jones have franchise quarterback talent? One scout thought Jones was a "backup" with "pedestrian talent." Jones went to Duke as a non-scholarship player and isn't exactly blessed with a cannon arm or a dynamic skill set. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay didn't see it with Jones, either. He had him ranked as his 59th-best player in the draft. The Giants took him significantly higher. -- Jordan Raanan

Like, if you wanted this guy badly, fine, we need a QB, but the value was no where near #6.  There were much better players available at positions of need as well.

The Giants are the new Browns.

[El Barto]

I used to watch it faithfully every year. Now I just look up the results online after work to get a quick synopsis.

Yea, I forgot last night to even check, but now that I look.....  oh Gettleman, you really don't want to be the Giants GM do you?  How can a GM today, not know player value 

from espn:

Biggest question: Does Jones have franchise quarterback talent? One scout thought Jones was a "backup" with "pedestrian talent." Jones went to Duke as a non-scholarship player and isn't exactly blessed with a cannon arm or a dynamic skill set. ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay didn't see it with Jones, either. He had him ranked as his 59th-best player in the draft. The Giants took him significantly higher. -- Jordan Raanan

Like, if you wanted this guy badly, fine, we need a QB, but the value was no where near #6.  There were much better players available at positions of need as well.

Jones was certainly polarizing. For every scout that thought he was second rate, there's another that thinks he's going to be great. He struck me as a huge question mark, but I definitely think the upside was great enough to take a flyer on him (#6 I don't know about, though). By all accounts he's super tough, competitive, and has a phenomenal quarterback mind. Plus there's his size. If a team can work on his mechanics to improve his arm the potential is through the roof.

The Patriots seem to have drafted another Edelman. The kid is by all accounts a great receiver, but he lacks explosiveness and playmaking ability. I gather this was one of those "value" picks. At least they didn't trade down. And I liked the reaction from the Patriots fans in their little box. Their excitement completely froze when the name was announced as they all paused to ask "who the fuck is that?" 

[King Postwhore]

 

Even though those who paid attention know he was at Foxborough earlier in the month.  What is surprising is for the second year in a row the Pats drafted for needs which they never do.

[T-ski]

heard an interesting scenario about the draft this morning...

what if New England didn't get their card in at the end of the 1st round, the next pick isn't scheduled until Friday.  are they penalized? could they just put in their pick immediately at the beginning of round 2?  seems teams would take that extra day to work the phones if there isn't some kind of penalty.

[cramx3]

Jones was certainly polarizing. For every scout that thought he was second rate, there's another that thinks he's going to be great. He struck me as a huge question mark, but I definitely think the upside was great enough to take a flyer on him (#6 I don't know about, though). By all accounts he's super tough, competitive, and has a phenomenal quarterback mind. Plus there's his size. If a team can work on his mechanics to improve his arm the potential is through the roof.

He definitely has potential and could be good.  He was also coached by Eli/Peyton's QB coach.  He's got a lot of the checks for a NFL QB, no doubt.  But his draft stock was much lower.  I think they reached, and reached very far taking him #6.  And that seems to be my issue with Gettleman is not making the most of what he has in a league where every inch matters, every dollar matters in the cap, and every decision is important, you can't risk losing value you already have.  I already felt they lost value in the Beckham trade and I definitely feel like they did in their top pick too.

[El Barto]

Even though those who paid attention know he was at Foxborough earlier in the month.  What is surprising is for the second year in a row the Pats drafted for needs which they never do.

I don't see this or Sony Michel as a "need" pick. Quite the opposite, in fact. RB was pretty low on the list of priorities last year, simply because they could pick up any of a dozen players and plug him in. While they do need receivers this year, a possession receiver isn't really the priority. Both of these strike me very much as value picks. They were the best players available to them and they'll make use of them.

[Stadler]

I think with Belichick, you can't confuse the POSITION with the PLAYER.  I think for Belichick, the POSITION of running back is crucial, but he doesn't value any PLAYER in that position that highly, because he knows there are other ways to get what he wants.  I personally think that Belichick makes fun of the organizations that drop tens of millions of dollars on guys like Le'vean Bell like we make fun of musicians that lip synch.   

I don't know what to think about that Giants pick.  Those are the qualities they value as an organization - tough, good positional mind - even if they haven't really shown that lately.   I don't know.   Proof will be in the pudding, I guess.

[King Postwhore]

Even though those who paid attention know he was at Foxborough earlier in the month.  What is surprising is for the second year in a row the Pats drafted for needs which they never do.

I don't see this or Sony Michel as a "need" pick. Quite the opposite, in fact. RB was pretty low on the list of priorities last year, simply because they could pick up any of a dozen players and plug him in. While they do need receivers this year, a possession receiver isn't really the priority. Both of these strike me very much as value picks. They were the best players available to them and they'll make use of them.

Both drafts a running back and a receiver were priorities.  They styles have nothing to do with it though.

The talk last year was they needed a running back when they didn't resign Dion Lewis, the year before Blount left and they signed Gillislee and he didn't pan out.  Now who knew in the first round!  That was very un Belichick like.  Jut like the receiver this year. 

These positions were needs, nobody expected they would come in the first round though.  He usually puts stock in other positions for the 1st round.

[El Barto]

Even though those who paid attention know he was at Foxborough earlier in the month.  What is surprising is for the second year in a row the Pats drafted for needs which they never do.

I don't see this or Sony Michel as a "need" pick. Quite the opposite, in fact. RB was pretty low on the list of priorities last year, simply because they could pick up any of a dozen players and plug him in. While they do need receivers this year, a possession receiver isn't really the priority. Both of these strike me very much as value picks. They were the best players available to them and they'll make use of them.

Both drafts a running back and a receiver were priorities.  They styles have nothing to do with it though.

The talk last year was they needed a running back when they didn't resign Dion Lewis, the year before Blount left and they signed Gillislee and he didn't pan out.  Now who knew in the first round!  That was very un Belichick like.  Jut like the receiver this year. 

These positions were needs, nobody expected they would come in the first round though.  He usually puts stock in other positions for the 1st round.

Yeah, I disagree. The position they play will factor into it at some point, three equally valuable players you take the one you need the most, but overall it's about taking the best player for NE. If the best player on the board had been an OL, they'd have taken him last night.

[El Barto]

Yeah, of course NE considered it. 

Q: Have you ever looked into what the scenario is if the clock were to run out on you with the 32nd pick?

NC: It’s a great question. We talked about that before the draft, like what were to happen. However many years ago that was, the clock ran out and then it went to the next team. You don’t have the ability to do that anymore, so if it runs out, eventually you have to pick. You’ve got to figure out something to do. If the clock runs out, nobody’s going to trade so you have to make the pick. It’s a great question. If you do it, you could wait until tomorrow morning. Like, could we wait until seven o’clock tomorrow to make the pick? The league probably wouldn’t like that, but at some point we’d probably have to do something.

Q: Could Arizona jump you?

NC: No, that’s what I mean. They can’t – that whole rule, when that happened – I think it was Baltimore and Minnesota – whatever it was, and they jumped in front of them, like, that’s been eliminated. Eventually you’ve got to make a decision.

Q: Doesn’t a part of you just want to watch the world burn though?

NC: No [laughs]. Nobody would be too happy about that.

SI actually says the rule is still in place, so I'm not sure how it would work. It's conceivable that the draft restarts this morning with AZ officially at 32 and NE pending at 33. Part of me is kind of sorry they didn't try it.

[King Postwhore]

Even though those who paid attention know he was at Foxborough earlier in the month.  What is surprising is for the second year in a row the Pats drafted for needs which they never do.

I don't see this or Sony Michel as a "need" pick. Quite the opposite, in fact. RB was pretty low on the list of priorities last year, simply because they could pick up any of a dozen players and plug him in. While they do need receivers this year, a possession receiver isn't really the priority. Both of these strike me very much as value picks. They were the best players available to them and they'll make use of them.

Both drafts a running back and a receiver were priorities.  They styles have nothing to do with it though.

The talk last year was they needed a running back when they didn't resign Dion Lewis, the year before Blount left and they signed Gillislee and he didn't pan out.  Now who knew in the first round!  That was very un Belichick like.  Jut like the receiver this year. 

These positions were needs, nobody expected they would come in the first round though.  He usually puts stock in other positions for the 1st round.

Yeah, I disagree. The position they play will factor into it at some point, three equally valuable players you take the one you need the most, but overall it's about taking the best player for NE. If the best player on the board had been an OL, they'd have taken him last night.

I always know they'll go for the best player no matter the position but the last 2 years, it's been different.  Both  #'1 are not the best player on the board at the time so you can look at it filling needs.  You know how he looks at other team for example who pay stupid money to receivers.  The highest they ever paid was to Moss, 9 million.  Hell #11 makes mid 4's.

[King Postwhore]

Yeah, of course NE considered it. 

Q: Have you ever looked into what the scenario is if the clock were to run out on you with the 32nd pick?

NC: It’s a great question. We talked about that before the draft, like what were to happen. However many years ago that was, the clock ran out and then it went to the next team. You don’t have the ability to do that anymore, so if it runs out, eventually you have to pick. You’ve got to figure out something to do. If the clock runs out, nobody’s going to trade so you have to make the pick. It’s a great question. If you do it, you could wait until tomorrow morning. Like, could we wait until seven o’clock tomorrow to make the pick? The league probably wouldn’t like that, but at some point we’d probably have to do something.

Q: Could Arizona jump you?

NC: No, that’s what I mean. They can’t – that whole rule, when that happened – I think it was Baltimore and Minnesota – whatever it was, and they jumped in front of them, like, that’s been eliminated. Eventually you’ve got to make a decision.

Q: Doesn’t a part of you just want to watch the world burn though?

NC: No [laughs]. Nobody would be too happy about that.

SI actually says the rule is still in place, so I'm not sure how it would work. It's conceivable that the draft restarts this morning with AZ officially at 32 and NE pending at 33. Part of me is kind of sorry they didn't try it.

It is amazing the scenarios that go through that man's mind.

[Rattlehead]

I think the draft is a lot more exciting when your team has a lot of room for improvement like mine (Denver). I'm really excited about Denver getting QB Drew Lock in the second round. I've been reading about the connection between Denver and Lock for months now. It's still kind of hard to believe he fell this far in the draft when guys like Jones and Haskins were taken in the top 15.

[Cool Chris]

Anyone remember Kellen Winslow Jr?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-nfl-star-winslow-ii-faces-potential-life-in-prison/ar-AABiZRH?ocid=spartandhp

[El Barto]

I'll say it again. The 24 other dudes are the luckiest johns on the face of the earth to have a billionaire as a co-defendant.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/in-legal-victory-for-robert-kraft-judge-suppresses-video-in-prostitution-case/ar-AABjfGT?ocid=spartandhp

I wonder if any of them copped out. 

[cramx3]

Anyone remember Kellen Winslow Jr?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-nfl-star-winslow-ii-faces-potential-life-in-prison/ar-AABiZRH?ocid=spartandhp

wow and he's going after all these old ladies too wtf is wrong with this dude

[King Postwhore]

I'll say it again. The 24 other dudes are the luckiest johns on the face of the earth to have a billionaire as a co-defendant.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/in-legal-victory-for-robert-kraft-judge-suppresses-video-in-prostitution-case/ar-AABjfGT?ocid=spartandhp

I wonder if any of them copped out. 

Not many sports fans out of N.E think this way but have a rich man involved helped showed the liberties the police were taking.  We all know he got a tug plus but lets just make sure they are charging correctly and not taking liberties in how they get their information.

[Stadler]

Anyone remember Kellen Winslow Jr?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-nfl-star-winslow-ii-faces-potential-life-in-prison/ar-AABiZRH?ocid=spartandhp

wow and he's going after all these old ladies too wtf is wrong with this dude

Okay:  he plays the "CTE" card.    Assuming the jury buys it, what happens if (or when) he dies and is found to be clear of it?

[cramx3]

Anyone remember Kellen Winslow Jr?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-nfl-star-winslow-ii-faces-potential-life-in-prison/ar-AABiZRH?ocid=spartandhp

wow and he's going after all these old ladies too wtf is wrong with this dude

Okay:  he plays the "CTE" card.    Assuming the jury buys it, what happens if (or when) he dies and is found to be clear of it?

then that might explain why he continuously did these acts?  I don't know, but do you mean what does this mean for the NFL?

[Stadler]

Anyone remember Kellen Winslow Jr?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ex-nfl-star-winslow-ii-faces-potential-life-in-prison/ar-AABiZRH?ocid=spartandhp

wow and he's going after all these old ladies too wtf is wrong with this dude

Okay:  he plays the "CTE" card.    Assuming the jury buys it, what happens if (or when) he dies and is found to be clear of it?

then that might explain why he continuously did these acts?  I don't know, but do you mean what does this mean for the NFL?

Well, I wasn't thinking about the NFL, but that's a good point.   I was thinking more about the immediate justice aspect.  To make that defense, he has to admit the crime, but concede he was not "himself" (not a legal term, my word), he gets to avoid severe legal penalty, but it's all circumstantial.  Circumstantial evidence is legitimate evidence, but we're talking about a specific case where BY DEFINITION, the point at which the circumstantial evidence becomes hard, direct evidence is the point at which justice/punishment/ is no longer an option (or even possible).

[El Barto]

I'll say it again. The 24 other dudes are the luckiest johns on the face of the earth to have a billionaire as a co-defendant.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/in-legal-victory-for-robert-kraft-judge-suppresses-video-in-prostitution-case/ar-AABjfGT?ocid=spartandhp

I wonder if any of them copped out. 

Not many sports fans out of N.E think this way but have a rich man involved helped showed the liberties the police were taking.  We all know he got a tug plus but lets just make sure they are charging correctly and not taking liberties in how they get their information.

When they admitted they captured surveillance video of nude men and women getting legitimate massages it created a real problem for them. I was honestly betting against Kraft, even though in principle his argument was correct. Glad it worked out this way.

[TAC]

So the video evidence will be thrown out, but they were allowed to "monitor" weren't they? Can't the officers just testify to what they "monitored"?

[El Barto]

So the video evidence will be thrown out, but they were allowed to "monitor" weren't they? Can't the officers just testify to what they "monitored"?

No, because they were monitoring via the unlawfully obtained video feed. They could probably say that they "monitored" him entering the establishment and leaving 20 minutes later, but that doesn't help them.

[TAC]

I thought the problem was that they recorded the video. I mean, what did the judge agree to when he allowed cameras to be installed in the first place?

[King Postwhore]

The were allowed to monitor not videotape. It affected those innocent people who legitimately went in for a massage.

[TAC]

I got that, but can't they testify to what they monitored without having to present the video.

[cramx3]

It affected those innocent people who legitimately went in for a massage.

I wonder who these people are 

[King Postwhore]