2019 NFL Thread v. Chiefs are Champs, Missouri rules the sports world

[King Postwhore]

Well the Pats are trading to get a crazy man in the fold.  Say hello to the newest Patriot, Michael Bennett.

[El Barto]

They're not giving up much to get him. Swap a 5 for a 7 next year. Not a bad deal at all.

I'm more interested in seeing if they go after Rosen or that kid from Duke. The Duke kid seems to have all of the right characteristics, but his arm doesn't look very strong at all to me, and his passes aren't very tight. He's got great touch, but the looks of it, but I'm not sure that'll cut it in the NFL.

[King Postwhore]

Can you ever figure out what BB will do?  They have needs and you think he'll draft or trade for that position and never does.  I look forward every year to free agency and the draft to see what he does.

[El Barto]

Can you ever figure out what BB will do?  They have needs and you think he'll draft or trade for that position and never does.  I look forward every year to free agency and the draft to see what he does.

And it never really seems to make much sense, but works more often than not.

[PowerSlave]

AB to Chuckyville.

Bye, Bitch...

[KevShmev]

This trade was lose-lose.

The Steelers just lost their best player for little compensation, and the Raiders just gave huge money to a WR which will hamper their ability to strengthen their poor team.

[PowerSlave]

This trade was lose-lose.

The Steelers just lost their best player for little compensation, and the Raiders just gave huge money to a WR which will hamper their ability to strengthen their poor team.

On the plus side, as a Steelers fan, the cap hit only lasts for one season and the two biggest sources of drama are gone from the team. It's true that I expected them to get more in compensation, but if it helps rid the locker room of cancer then it may well be worth it.

[KevShmev]

True, it could be addition by subtraction in the long run, but in the short term, he is a huge loss to the team on the field.  He has been arguably the best WR in football for the last 5-6 years and you don't lose that guy and not feel the effects.  And now we will see how good Smith-Schuster really is.  He looked great last year as the number 2 with A. Brown taking all of the coverage, but now he won't be afforded the luxury of single coverage on a regular basis.

[PowerSlave]

Very true. It will be interesting to see if last year's 3rd round pick has a big improvement this off-season, or if they try to use a pick in the draft on a replacement.

[El Barto]

Seems to me that Oakland has never been a particularly good environment for malcontent receivers.

[PowerSlave]

Seems to me that Oakland has never been a particularly good environment for malcontent receivers.

It has a chance of becoming a successful match if Carr returns to the form of a few years ago. Otherwise, he'll (AB) will be crying on social media before the season is over, and starting the bullshit that he pulled this past season over again. He had Tomlin that was too easy on him up to this point. Chucky will wear his ass out in no time flat.

[Rattlehead]

I hate the idea of my Broncos having to go against AB twice a year now  I'm not sure if Gruden's plan will ultimately work out, but it's certainly looking a lot better now that they got AB for peanuts and have several first round picks in this year's draft. It seems like the Amari Cooper trade was as good of an example as you'll ever see of a win-win trade in today's NFL.

I didn't want AB in Denver, but if I knew that was all it would take to get him, I would've been fine with it...

[El Barto]

Seems to me that Oakland has never been a particularly good environment for malcontent receivers.

It has a chance of becoming a successful match if Carr returns to the form of a few years ago. Otherwise, he'll (AB) will be crying on social media before the season is over, and starting the bullshit that he pulled this past season over again. He had Tomlin that was too easy on him up to this point. Chucky will wear his ass out in no time flat.

The guy's spent his entire career surrounded by great talent. Despite what he thinks of Rothlisburger he's taking a huge downgrade here. He's always had a good run game behind him. He's always had another great receiver opposite of him, and maybe a great TE. He's going to a team in rebuilding mode that's going to suck for a couple of years. I don't think he'll handle it well. After a 35-6 loss where he goes 1-13-0 is that $30m going to keep him in line?

[King Postwhore]

Rotating coaching staffs have hurt him as well.  He needs stability.   Good stability though.

[PowerSlave]

Rotating coaching staffs have hurt him as well.  He needs stability.   Good stability though.

Do you mean, Carr? Yeah, it's never good to see a team changing their coaching staff on a near yearly basis. The Raiders, Browns, Bucs and a few other teams seem to be in a constant cycle of doing that. I realize that the Raiders are committed to Gruden for the long-haul considering how much money they paid him, but certain franchises seem to breed trouble from within all the time, and they're one of them.

[mikeyd23]

Good to see AB leave Pittsburgh. Good luck in Oakland.

Mark it down now, if the Raiders start out the season 1-3 or 1-4 or something like that, fireworks are going to go off.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

The Browns aren't fucking around

[King Postwhore]

Changing of the gaurd.

[KevShmev]

Crazy. Browns are all in for 2019.

[Rattlehead]

What an exciting start to free agency! I was checking my phone for updates whenever I had down time at work today 

[axeman90210]

Thought the Jets were the NY team having a shitty day today when Anthony Barr went back on his contract agreement with them, but nobody seems to like this OBJ deal for the Giants.

[DragonAttack]

Good to see AB leave Pittsburgh. Good luck in Oakland.

Mark it down now, if when the Raiders start out the season 1-3 or 1-4 or something like that, fireworks are going to go off.

FTFY

Meanwhile, loads of changes in store for the Ravens defense next year.  The two lost FAs were/are not worth the hefty contracts their new teams signed them for.  The team finally has some cap space to work with. 

Most understand Suggs move to Arizona, where he lived from 8th grade on through his years at Arizona State.  Had lost more than a step last year, but still was that one guy I'd watch on defense.  What they lose in the locker room and on the sidelines, though, is immeasurable.

[mikeyd23]

Bell to the Jets, sounds about right 

[King Postwhore]

Didn't the Steelers offer him 70 Million and he just signed for 50 million for the same amount of years?

[cramx3]

Sucks to trade OBJ, but it's not the worst thing ever.  Giants clearly need to rebuild and he was a lot of money and headache.  Great player no doubt and I don't want him off the team, but the Giants have needs.  Just sucks cause I feel like there's no hope for next season though.

[mikeyd23]

Didn't the Steelers offer him 70 Million and he just signed for 50 million for the same amount of years?

I honestly can't remember all the details, and don't care to look them up, but I think the difference is the guaranteed money. Bell wanted more guaranteed, and I think the Jets gave him that. But if you take into account the $14 million and change he left sitting on the table last year, I'm not sure if he's ahead of the game here or not.

I'm sure someone can post the details and correct me if I'm wrong.

[El Barto]

Sucks to trade OBJ, but it's not the worst thing ever.  Giants clearly need to rebuild and he was a lot of money and headache.  Great player no doubt and I don't want him off the team, but the Giants have needs.  Just sucks cause I feel like there's no hope for next season though.

It might be a good move for them long-run, but they borked the timing of it. Gettelman really showed his ass here. "We didn't sign him to trade him" was the correct attitude. Signing him and then trading him cost them 16m in dead cap space. Moreover, they still haven't moved on from Eli. What good is he without his best receiver? Ideally they parlay those two picks into their new QB. Dumping Eli would actually save them enough to cover the OBJ dead money. Working in a new QB is a whole lot easier when he's got an elite receiver, though.

[cramx3]

Yea, my only guess is they are going to put the focus on a run game, build the OL, and get a QB to groom.  If they can get Haskins, I would be happy.  The timing is odd, I agree, I think that's what hurts the most here not so much that we are moving on from a stud WR.   I'm not sold on this GM yet and this isn't helping him, but I've got to see how their plan comes out before I really start hating on him and dealing with Eli is a big part of that. 

[PowerSlave]

Didn't the Steelers offer him 70 Million and he just signed for 50 million for the same amount of years?

I honestly can't remember all the details, and don't care to look them up, but I think the difference is the guaranteed money. Bell wanted more guaranteed, and I think the Jets gave him that. But if you take into account the $14 million and change he left sitting on the table last year, I'm not sure if he's ahead of the game here or not.

I'm sure someone can post the details and correct me if I'm wrong.

This is correct. He wanted guaranteed money, and the Steelers weren't willing to go that far. I can't say that I blame them considering his injury history.

[KevShmev]

Rumor has it that L Bell was hoping someone would top the Jets offer, but no one did, and we know he was going to the highest bidder, so there you have it.

They both got paid, but in the end, Bell went from the Steelers to the Jets and Brown from the Steelers to the Raiders.  Major steps down when looking at the organizations.

[DT2003]

As a Giants fan I’m glad OBJ is gone. He was a cancer to this team, and he’ll be a cancer to the Browns. He is a “me” player and always has been and proved last year he always will be. It’s a shame because the guy has so much talent, but until he can stop being selfish and learn to control his emotions, he’ll never be a winner.

With that said, the Giants are in for a long season, but in the long run I think this will be good for the team as OBJ was definitely not the answer.

[KevShmev]

As a Giants fan I’m glad OBJ is gone. He was a cancer to this team, and he’ll be a cancer to the Browns. He is a “me” player and always has been and proved last year he always will be. It’s a shame because the guy has so much talent, but until he can stop being selfish and learn to control his emotions, he’ll never be a winner.

With that said, the Giants are in for a long season, but in the long run I think this will be good for the team as OBJ was definitely not the answer.

I don't get this take.  Is he a diva and a "me" guy?  Yes, but so are a lot of wide receivers, especially the star ones; it's the nature of the position. The way I see it, the Giants stunk last year, and they have/had much bigger issues that Odell Beckham, Jr.  I am not an advocate of paying a WR big money, so I get wanting to trade him and get that contract off the books, but saying he'll never be a winner seems a little odd. 

[DT2003]

As a Giants fan I’m glad OBJ is gone. He was a cancer to this team, and he’ll be a cancer to the Browns. He is a “me” player and always has been and proved last year he always will be. It’s a shame because the guy has so much talent, but until he can stop being selfish and learn to control his emotions, he’ll never be a winner.

With that said, the Giants are in for a long season, but in the long run I think this will be good for the team as OBJ was definitely not the answer.

I don't get this take.  Is he a diva and a "me" guy?  Yes, but so are a lot of wide receivers, especially the star ones; it's the nature of the position. The way I see it, the Giants stunk last year, and they have/had much bigger issues that Odell Beckham, Jr.  I am not an advocate of paying a WR big money, so I get wanting to trade him and get that contract off the books, but saying he'll never be a winner seems a little odd.

It’s much more than him just being a diva and a “me” guy. He mysteriously disappears during games (only when thing aren’t going well for him oddly) and the excuse is that he needed hydration, one of these times being a Thursday night game in the middle of October in NJ. He numerous times outwardly complained about his coaches, playcalling, and his teammates (specifically Eli) to the media. After getting unsportsmanlike conduct penalties for distasteful TD celebrations he tells the media he doesn’t care that he cost his team by getting the penalties. The guy fought with the kicking net on the sideline (and lost) when he wasn’t getting the ball, them proposed to it once things were getting better. Let’s not forget the guy also can’t seem to stay on the field. To those not living in the NY area and following this team there is a lot you may not see. This guy was bad for the team and as soon as things don’t go his way his true colors will show again in Cleveland I’m sure.  Should be interesting with him and Mayfield on the same team. Sure it could go well, but it also could go very, very bad.

[TheCountOfNYC]

So free agency was pretty good to the Jets. Jesus Christ. Obviously what teams do in March doesn’t matter, it’s all about what they do from September to December and hopefully beyond, but I’m happy with the moves they made over the past couple of days.

[Stadler]

Is it me showing my age, but have the last couple seasons shown that it's very likely that the Brown, Bell, and Beckham (there's a law firm for you) deals are not going to work out for anyone other than the Steelers and the Giants?    Are you telling me the Steelers missed Bell THAT much?   Does anyone now think that the Jets are a Super Bowl contender?  Hell, do you think they're even going to challenge the Pats for the division?   

I'm starting to think that paying these guys insane money is, well, insane. 

Also, I heard the lovely Molly Qerim Rose (Uconn!) say that the Giants are interested in OSU's Murray, even though most of the mock drafts I've seen seem to totally ignore that possibility.