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« Reply #210 on: October 09, 2019, 08:30:06 PM »
Verlander (who I really like) is having another rough post season outing.

Love it.  Gives me a modicum of hope that the Dodgers can figure out Strasburg tonight.

So long as Kershaw isn't pitching... I see Bueller is pitching. That's good.

So far so good, but this game is moving too slowly.

That Cards/Braves game was just ridiculous!  I had to leave work early to go to an appointment and stopped for a late lunch.  I opened my ESPN app and saw it was 4-0 in the top of the first.  By the time I got to the box score to see what had happened, it was 7-0, and within moments after that, it was 9-0.  Unbelievable.
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« Reply #211 on: October 10, 2019, 12:38:59 AM »
:clap: So the Dodgers choked in the playoffs yet again. Kershaw choked in the playoffs yet again. He may be the greatest pitcher of this generation in the regular season, but for whatever reason (stamina issues maybe) he just can't seem to cut it in the playoffs. Some things never change  :loser: :ushallnotpass:

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« Reply #212 on: October 10, 2019, 07:52:50 AM »
can't imagine what Dodgers fans feel like after blowing a 3-1 lead in the 8th inning with their best pitcher on the mound.....

.....oh wait.
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« Reply #213 on: October 10, 2019, 08:40:36 AM »
I actually felt bad for Kershaw. He seems like a good guy, yet always has these postseason flame-outs. It's bizarre.

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« Reply #214 on: October 10, 2019, 11:47:47 AM »
Many thoughts right now.

When I posted yesterday evening, I think the game was in the 5th inning or so.  Getting 3 off Strasburg early gave me a lot of hope, but the offense did shit after that.  Buehler pitched his ass off and, outside of two swings by Muncy and Hernandez, the offense sucked.  16 runs in the two wins and only 6 in the three losses.

Kershaw...my immediate reaction was that I wouldn't be terribly upset if he never throws another pitch in a Dodgers uniform.  I had the "is he a HOF'er discussion with a friend a couple months ago.  He said absolutely, yes.  I was and still am on the fence.  From 2011-17, he was pretty easily the best pitcher in the game.  But, while he's had a couple strong postseason moments (and, prior to this year, he had few, if any hiccups in the divisional series), his overall postseason performance has been no better than mediocre.  He's a great guy, and I feel bad for him because I know how badly he wants to win, but he just doesn't have it.  And now that he's really no better than a #3 starter, I'm kinda done with him.

I'm also pretty done with either Dave Roberts or the Dodgers' front office.  I've basically gone over to the side that says he doesn't know how to manage a pitching staff.  I'm also kinda done with Rick Honeycutt as a pitching coach.  The Dodgers broadcast team constantly tells us that he's one of the best in the game, but I don't know.  Finally, for the first half of the season, the Dodgers were very different in terms of hitting for contact, moving runners over, having a two-strike approach, but they just seemed to swing from their heels this entire series.

It sucks hard, but for a change, I'm actually pulling for the team that eliminated the Dodgers.  Also REALLY pulling for the Rays in today's game in Houston.
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« Reply #215 on: October 10, 2019, 12:14:58 PM »

Kershaw...my immediate reaction was that I wouldn't be terribly upset if he never throws another pitch in a Dodgers uniform.  I had the "is he a HOF'er discussion with a friend a couple months ago.  He said absolutely, yes.  I was and still am on the fence.  From 2011-17, he was pretty easily the best pitcher in the game.  But, while he's had a couple strong postseason moments (and, prior to this year, he had few, if any hiccups in the divisional series), his overall postseason performance has been no better than mediocre.  He's a great guy, and I feel bad for him because I know how badly he wants to win, but he just doesn't have it.  And now that he's really no better than a #3 starter, I'm kinda done with him.

Dude has a career 2.44 ERA. his record is 169-74 with 2,274 innings pitched.....2,464 K's. He's a hall of fame player for sure. Probably first ballot. BUT.....his career playoff ERA is 4-7 with an ERA of 4.55. Who knows 'why' that is....most likely is playoffs bring out the best in players....and he's been on the bad end of it.
I'm not like Kev....I don't 'feel' for the guy at all. You either perform when you need to or you don't. He will forever be remembered as the guy who just couldn't quite get there. (unless something dramatic happens) You have pitchers that rise to the occasion or that don't. He hasn't


BUT...that being said....he should have never been in that situation last night. He came in to get his guy to end the 7th and should not have been ran back out there in the 8th. That was horrible managing by Roberts. Doesn't excuse the two solo HR's he allowed but he shouldn't have been put in that position anyway.

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« Reply #216 on: October 10, 2019, 12:17:26 PM »
Given that Kershaw's numbers are not good in those situations over the course of his career, it was just a very bad decision for Dave Roberts to put him out there.  It showed that he doesn't understand situational ball. 

Edit: Gary basically just said the same thing above, by and large.

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« Reply #217 on: October 10, 2019, 01:36:40 PM »
I've been in a pretty intense debate with some buddies of mine.....and it's been mentioned locally here in St. Louis on sports talk radio after being brought up by a former NHL'r who is a host.....and it's the subject of these baseball celebrations after 'winning' a series.

I'm of the mindset like hockey teams do it.....the main goal is the Stanley Cup, the big dog Championship. All the other accomplishments along the way are nice and something to reflect on....but there is no real big celebration when they win the divsion...or any of the first three rounds of the playoffs. There is some glad handing and smiles and some pats on the back and a team pic or two.....but NOTHING like these baseball teams do for basically accomplishing nothing.

Now my buddies insist that winning the division....then winning the chance to play for the NLCS is a 'big deal'. I will relent and say it's an accomplishment I guess....but it's minor. Especially getting to the NLCS. You have to win (3) games to do that....(4) if you're one of the single game play in wild card teams. Get hot at the right time and your playing for the right to rep. your division at the World Series. It's honestly not all that difficult to do when compared to other sports championships....ESPECIALLY hockey.

Their argument is that there are more teams that make the playoffs in Hockey which makes some sense....but at the same time....it's (4) best of seven series against really tough teams. Baseball is (1) best of 5 when one of the teams is a wild card team....not exactly cream of the crop.

I don't know...i'm rambling at this point....my thing is.....the excessive celebrating when you really haven't 'won' anything is annoying to me at this point. No one remembers the division champs or who the eventual World Series champs played.....they remember the team who wins the ultimate goal. Stop this ridiculous celebration of meaningless accomplishments.
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« Reply #218 on: October 10, 2019, 04:08:10 PM »
Dude has a career 2.44 ERA. his record is 169-74 with 2,274 innings pitched.....2,464 K's. He's a hall of fame player for sure. Probably first ballot.

For the time being, Kershaw has the third-highest win percentage of all time (minimum one decision for every ten team games).  That's a function of the teams he played for (the Dodgers have won fewer than 90 games only thrice in Kershaw's career) and the fact that he got a LOT of no decisions over his career.  His strikeout numbers are pedestrian, rivaling those of Mark Langston and Jim Kaat.

The ERA number is impressive.  He's 37th on the all-time ERA list (minimum 1 IP per team game) with the only guy ahead of him who played in my lifetime (as far as I could tell) being Mariano Rivera.  However, only 11 of the 36 ahead of him are in the HOF (and that includes Babe Ruth, who's obviously there for reasons other than pitching).

But the longer he pitches the worse he gets in the regular season, and his poor postseason performances are becoming a bigger and bigger albatross around his neck.

He'll get voted into the HOF for the same reason Sandy Koufax did.  To the extent you ascribe any significance to being voted in on the first ballot, he's absolutely not deserving.
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« Reply #219 on: October 10, 2019, 05:40:01 PM »
Unlike the other major sports, though, postseason records and whatnot don't seem to have a huge impact on a player's all-time status in baseball, so by the time he retires, Kershaw's mediocre postseason numbers will likely be an afterthought.  Greg Maddox underachieved in the postseason as well, but hardly anyone remembers it. 

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« Reply #220 on: October 10, 2019, 08:13:00 PM »
Looks like those Yankee bastards are going to Houston... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4en_YVa4zQ

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« Reply #221 on: October 11, 2019, 10:14:06 AM »
Unlike the other major sports, though, postseason records and whatnot don't seem to have a huge impact on a player's all-time status in baseball, so by the time he retires, Kershaw's mediocre postseason numbers will likely be an afterthought.  Greg Maddox underachieved in the postseason as well, but hardly anyone remembers it.

The biggest reason hardly anyone remembers it is probably because it wasn't that bad and because he actually won a World Series.

Kershaw will likely finish with a much better ERA than Maddux, but his numbers won't likely be otherwise comparable (e.g., no way Kershaw makes it to 3,000 strikeouts).  As far as the postseason, while Maddux has an 11-14 record, his ERA (3.27) and WHIP (1.242) are on par with his regular season numbers (3.16 ERA and 1.143 WHIP).  That disparity turns significantly in Maddux's favor if you factor out the 1989 NLCS, in which a 23 year old Maddux gave up 11 earned runs in 7.1 IP, which gives him a 2.88 ERA and a 1.201 WHIP.  If you consider only Maddux's time with the Braves, his career postseason ERA a43 WHIP 2.81 and 1.177.

If the Dodgers had won in 2017, Kershaw's narrative would have changed significantly.  You can talk about Kershaw having been the best pitcher in the game for 5+ years, but that always gets tagged with "regular season," and I think his lasting legacy will be consistent failure in the post season from the beginning to the end of his career.  Once his career is done, any discussion will always start with the postseason failure, or it will be a "yeah but" after discussing his peak as a dominant regular season pitcher.
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« Reply #222 on: October 12, 2019, 08:21:49 AM »
Anibal Sanchez took a no-hitter into the eighth last night.

I had no idea he was still in the league.
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« Reply #223 on: October 12, 2019, 02:47:48 PM »
Hoping for Astros - Nats, just for the possible matchups of Verlander and Cole vs Scherzer and Strasburg.

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« Reply #224 on: October 14, 2019, 10:17:51 AM »
Anibal Sanchez took a no-hitter into the eighth last night.

I had no idea he was still in the league.

I wonder how the Detroit Tigers feel...watching Scherzer, Sanchez and Verlander this time of year.  The three of them together in a rotation.


Nats v. Cards series is over.  No way the Cards win 4 of 5.

Yankees v. Astros series is going to be a war and likely will go 7.
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« Reply #226 on: Today at 01:06:52 AM »
I knew that Dodgers blowpen was gonna stop us from getting to the WS.   ::)  :tdwn :loser:

Postseason Kershaw is what it is, and Kelly is supposed to be great in the postseason but of course he falls apart on the Dodgers.  If it wasn't those two, it would have been Jansen who has a high ERA for a closer and is wildly inconsistent from game to game. 
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« Reply #227 on: Today at 10:13:48 AM »
I knew that Dodgers blowpen was gonna stop us from getting to the WS.   ::)  :tdwn :loser:

Postseason Kershaw is what it is, and Kelly is supposed to be great in the postseason but of course he falls apart on the Dodgers.  If it wasn't those two, it would have been Jansen who has a high ERA for a closer and is wildly inconsistent from game to game.

I blame the offense as much as anything.  Wildly inconsistent, and the batters did everything that you can't do in the playoffs.

Friedman's now supposedly going to get a contract extension, which means it probably doesn't matter whether Roberts stays or go.  Sigh....
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