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Re: The 2020 Election Thread
« Reply #945 on: February 12, 2020, 08:38:48 AM »
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« Reply #946 on: February 12, 2020, 09:39:17 AM »
I suspect the DNC will convince Elizabeth Warren to stay in until at least Super Tuesday, for fear that if she drops out that Bernie will run away with it, but barring a monster comeback, she is, for all intents and purposes, done.  Biden is fading as well.

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« Reply #947 on: February 12, 2020, 09:42:16 AM »
I didn't expect Warren to get knocked back so significantly so soon.

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« Reply #948 on: February 12, 2020, 10:56:44 AM »
OK, that makes sense then. But who would they be pushing? Didn't they want to keep Bernie out last time? Would they actually be propping him up this time?
The DNC wants Biden. He's most aligned with their interests. Although, ideologically, Pete's probably the second closest. They likely see Biden as the only one who can beat Trump, but after 2016 all bets are off.


Biden may literally not make it out of the primaries. Then what does the DNC do?

If the DNC is looking for a DC veteran, why not Klobuchar?

She's now, essentially, considered to be third in some polls, and that's not, in my opinion, a coincidence.

The DNC has a real problem here, not unlike the one that the GOP has (though no one talks about that).  They clearly have a preference; that preference has to be balanced with the preference to the hoi polloi, but there's also the echoes of 2016:  Hillary outright blames Bernie for not rallying HIS supporters around HER.  You're going to continue to see that.  I see "Bern-sters" going for a Pete, but I see them viewing Biden as "Hillary, Part II".  Fundamentally, Biden is everything that the more extreme Bernie supporters don't care for, and while at a base level, one would think "well, Trump is the bigger foe here", you'd also be talking about a two-peat on being f***ed over, and I have a hunch that the response will be apathy, more than anything else.  I think Bernie is, for some people, about undermining part of the system, so what compels them to actually participate in furthering that part of the system they're looking to undermine?

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Re: The 2020 Election Thread
« Reply #949 on: February 12, 2020, 11:03:58 AM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump. 

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« Reply #950 on: February 12, 2020, 11:12:11 AM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

Very true, but the redistribution of public funds to bail out failing private enterprise is what's known as socialism, and it's those filthy Dem socialists from whom Trump is vowing to save America.
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« Reply #951 on: February 12, 2020, 11:15:02 AM »
By the way, while the entire American media is focusing on the DNC circus, Trump presented his budget bill for 2021 yesterday:

Environmental Protection Agency: 26% budget reduction
State Department: 21% budget reduction
Health Department: 9% budget reduction
Education Department: 8% budget reduction


Hope you're all enjoying your tax cuts!

Independent of tax cuts, if you're going to balance the budget and reduce the deficit, budget cuts are going to have to happen.  I get that there is a perception about several of those agencies, but some aren't a surprise (and aren't necessarily bad). 

At the end of the day, though, this isn't about "budgets" and "deficits"; this is about CONGRESS, specifically the Democratic House.  They're not going to approve any of this, and so Trump gets to point the finger at the "dirty 'tax and spend' Democrats, who don't have any interest in reducing the deficit".  (Not a direct quote of anyone but a paraphrase of what might be a reasonable response by Trump to a rejection of his proposal). 

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« Reply #952 on: February 12, 2020, 11:15:57 AM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

Very true, but the redistribution of public funds to bail out failing private enterprise is what's known as socialism, and it's those filthy Dem socialists from whom Trump is vowing to save America.

Is there such a term as "Subjective Socialism"?  Or "Conditional Socialism"?  :) :) :)

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« Reply #953 on: February 12, 2020, 11:17:14 AM »
By the way, while the entire American media is focusing on the DNC circus, Trump presented his budget bill for 2021 yesterday:

Environmental Protection Agency: 26% budget reduction
State Department: 21% budget reduction
Health Department: 9% budget reduction
Education Department: 8% budget reduction


Hope you're all enjoying your tax cuts!

Independent of tax cuts, if you're going to balance the budget and reduce the deficit, budget cuts are going to have to happen.

Why can't we tax those at the top a little bit more instead?

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« Reply #954 on: February 12, 2020, 11:18:50 AM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

No, but Trump isn't helping them one bit, he's actually hurting them more. Saying they were fucked beforehand doesn't mean Trump gets a pass on making things even harder for them now.
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« Reply #955 on: February 12, 2020, 12:48:49 PM »
By the way, while the entire American media is focusing on the DNC circus, Trump presented his budget bill for 2021 yesterday:

Environmental Protection Agency: 26% budget reduction
State Department: 21% budget reduction
Health Department: 9% budget reduction
Education Department: 8% budget reduction


Hope you're all enjoying your tax cuts!
Independent of tax cuts, if you're going to balance the budget and reduce the deficit, budget cuts are going to have to happen. 

Of course, this is clear, but when Trump has spent the better part of a year celebrating the "BIGGEST TAX CUT IN AMERICA'S HISTORY!" I think it's useful to take a look at how these things end up getting paid for. As I've noted before there are only two things in America that elicit from Republicans the question: "And how exactly do you intend to pay for this?" Those things are health care and education. But when last year Trump was prattling on about his "EXTRA 2 TRILLION DOLLARS SPENDING ON THE MILITARY!" (gotta keep the military industrial complex happy) while simultaneously announcing a massive tax cut for America's wealthiest individuals and corporate entities, they were oddly silent about where the money was going to come from. I'm guessing it's because they already knew the answer: environmental protection, health care, and education.

You've probably seen it by now but one of Trump's budget proposals on Monday involved the cutting of a scheduled pay rise for civilian federal employees; amusingly, the reason given for doing so is that America is apparently in the middle of "serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare of the country":

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/02/trump-cuts-scheduled-federal-pay-raise-serious-economic-conditions.html

So much for this "GREATEST ECONOMY EVER!" he likes to boast about.
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Re: The 2020 Election Thread
« Reply #956 on: February 12, 2020, 01:56:26 PM »
By the way, while the entire American media is focusing on the DNC circus, Trump presented his budget bill for 2021 yesterday:

Environmental Protection Agency: 26% budget reduction
State Department: 21% budget reduction
Health Department: 9% budget reduction
Education Department: 8% budget reduction


Hope you're all enjoying your tax cuts!

Independent of tax cuts, if you're going to balance the budget and reduce the deficit, budget cuts are going to have to happen.

Why can't we tax those at the top a little bit more instead?

Well, for this isn't a separate question.  I suppose we could, but at some point it's a well with diminishing returns.   

The top 1% still pays a greater percentage of the taxes than the percentage of their income.  The top 50% is still paying 97% of the taxes.  (I can cite sources, but they are easily google-able, and depend on the year, to some degree).  I think it's changed now, but for a while there, the top 1% was somewhere around earning under 20% of all income, but paying anywhere from 27 to 40% of the tax income.  So it's not like the U.S. system is regressive.   

But at what point do these people decide "I'm paying enough"?   Remember the $450 billion or whatever it was of foreign corporate income that was stranded off-shore because of high tax rates? And which was largely re-patriated after that same tax bill that was supposed to be a sop to the rich?

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« Reply #957 on: February 12, 2020, 01:59:18 PM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

No, but Trump isn't helping them one bit, he's actually hurting them more. Saying they were fucked beforehand doesn't mean Trump gets a pass on making things even harder for them now.

I wasn't saying they were fucked before, I said they would be just as fucked now.  Tariffs are the primary reason for their fucked-ness, and both Bernie and Hillary were in agreement with Trump on tariffs.  (And no, I don't at all believe that they would be "more compassionate" or "recognize their mistake" sooner than Trump; the farmers have been screwed for DECADES - there's no need for "Pharm-Aid" but there is a "Farm-Aid" - and have required a subsidy almost to the day since FDR instituted tariffs in the 30's, allegedly to "help" the farmers.) 

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« Reply #958 on: February 12, 2020, 02:03:11 PM »
To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

I wasn't saying they were fucked before, I said they would be just as fucked now.  Tariffs are the primary reason for their fucked-ness, and both Bernie and Hillary were in agreement with Trump on tariffs.  (And no, I don't at all believe that they would be "more compassionate" or "recognize their mistake" sooner than Trump; the farmers have been screwed for DECADES - there's no need for "Pharm-Aid" but there is a "Farm-Aid" - and have required a subsidy almost to the day since FDR instituted tariffs in the 30's, allegedly to "help" the farmers.)

Bolded part speaks for itself... the tariffs are why I wrote what I wrote. I know Bernie and Hillary were in agreement with Trump on the tariffs - yet Hillary isn't in the picture, and in this discussion, we're not talking about Bernie, we're talking about Trump, and Trump's actions as president have actively hurt farmers. I know you probably brought them up because you're likely trying to stick them to me because you think I align with them politically (Bernie somewhat, that's true), but that's not relevant. Trump says he wants to do one thing or is doing one thing, but his actions contradict his Big Beautiful Purfect Werds (insofar as it relates to helping farmers).
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« Reply #959 on: February 12, 2020, 02:04:14 PM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

No, but Trump isn't helping them one bit, he's actually hurting them more. Saying they were fucked beforehand doesn't mean Trump gets a pass on making things even harder for them now.

I wasn't saying they were fucked before, I said they would be just as fucked now.  Tariffs are the primary reason for their fucked-ness, and both Bernie and Hillary were in agreement with Trump on tariffs.  (And no, I don't at all believe that they would be "more compassionate" or "recognize their mistake" sooner than Trump; the farmers have been screwed for DECADES - there's no need for "Pharm-Aid" but there is a "Farm-Aid" - and have required a subsidy almost to the day since FDR instituted tariffs in the 30's, allegedly to "help" the farmers.)
I've never suggested that compassion or self-awareness would have been their advantage. I suggested that they would have been smart enough to work the problem with more grace than a drunken orangutan on roller skates, and I still say that's absolutely correct. 
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« Reply #960 on: February 12, 2020, 02:11:59 PM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair,the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

No, but Trump isn't helping them one bit, he's actually hurting them more. Saying they were fucked beforehand doesn't mean Trump gets a pass on making things even harder for them now.

I wasn't saying they were fucked before, I said they would be just as fucked now. 

Genuinely confused by the point you were making.
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« Reply #961 on: February 12, 2020, 03:42:02 PM »
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Calling dibs on Lemonade Marxists for a band name.
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« Reply #964 on: February 13, 2020, 11:09:00 AM »
To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

I wasn't saying they were fucked before, I said they would be just as fucked now.  Tariffs are the primary reason for their fucked-ness, and both Bernie and Hillary were in agreement with Trump on tariffs.  (And no, I don't at all believe that they would be "more compassionate" or "recognize their mistake" sooner than Trump; the farmers have been screwed for DECADES - there's no need for "Pharm-Aid" but there is a "Farm-Aid" - and have required a subsidy almost to the day since FDR instituted tariffs in the 30's, allegedly to "help" the farmers.)

Bolded part speaks for itself... the tariffs are why I wrote what I wrote. I know Bernie and Hillary were in agreement with Trump on the tariffs - yet Hillary isn't in the picture, and in this discussion, we're not talking about Bernie, we're talking about Trump, and Trump's actions as president have actively hurt farmers. I know you probably brought them up because you're likely trying to stick them to me because you think I align with them politically (Bernie somewhat, that's true), but that's not relevant. Trump says he wants to do one thing or is doing one thing, but his actions contradict his Big Beautiful Purfect Werds (insofar as it relates to helping farmers).

No, I'm not at all trying to align you with anything. I'm saying I don't see the efficacy of blaming Trump for something that was already happening for decades, and wasn't going to change even if he was defeated.  It's like blaming Trump for the sunrise.  There are so many other, more relevant ways of critiquing his performance. 

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« Reply #965 on: February 13, 2020, 11:13:17 AM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair,the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

No, but Trump isn't helping them one bit, he's actually hurting them more. Saying they were fucked beforehand doesn't mean Trump gets a pass on making things even harder for them now.

I wasn't saying they were fucked before, I said they would be just as fucked now. 

Genuinely confused by the point you were making.

Well, I was responding to the comments; I don't think I'm saying anything contradictory (if you want me to explain why I will, but I'm not sure it's necessary).

My argument is simple: the farmers have been fucked for a while (if you want, since tariffs were first implemented in the 30's by FDR) and that has continued to this day.   Yes, Trump has implemented tariffs, and they have not been kind to farmers, but both Hillary and Bernie proposed tariffs in their platform.   So there's no evidence that the historical struggles of the farmer would be better off if Trump wasn't President (or was doing something different).

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« Reply #966 on: February 13, 2020, 11:16:08 AM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

No, but Trump isn't helping them one bit, he's actually hurting them more. Saying they were fucked beforehand doesn't mean Trump gets a pass on making things even harder for them now.

I wasn't saying they were fucked before, I said they would be just as fucked now.  Tariffs are the primary reason for their fucked-ness, and both Bernie and Hillary were in agreement with Trump on tariffs.  (And no, I don't at all believe that they would be "more compassionate" or "recognize their mistake" sooner than Trump; the farmers have been screwed for DECADES - there's no need for "Pharm-Aid" but there is a "Farm-Aid" - and have required a subsidy almost to the day since FDR instituted tariffs in the 30's, allegedly to "help" the farmers.)
I've never suggested that compassion or self-awareness would have been their advantage. I suggested that they would have been smart enough to work the problem with more grace than a drunken orangutan on roller skates, and I still say that's absolutely correct.

I don't know how I feel about that.  I tend to not think so. It's not one of those things - like closing Guantanimo Bay - that one can argue that "now that I'm in office I see things differently".  Both advocated for tariffs, and both had ample means to know they would be detrimental to some sectors of our economy.

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« Reply #967 on: February 14, 2020, 10:09:35 AM »
We also need more money to help bail out the farmers thanks to our sweet new trade deals.

To be fair, the farmers were fucked either way and have been for a while.  Their plight isn't JUST because of Trump.

No, but Trump isn't helping them one bit, he's actually hurting them more. Saying they were fucked beforehand doesn't mean Trump gets a pass on making things even harder for them now.

I wasn't saying they were fucked before, I said they would be just as fucked now.  Tariffs are the primary reason for their fucked-ness, and both Bernie and Hillary were in agreement with Trump on tariffs.  (And no, I don't at all believe that they would be "more compassionate" or "recognize their mistake" sooner than Trump; the farmers have been screwed for DECADES - there's no need for "Pharm-Aid" but there is a "Farm-Aid" - and have required a subsidy almost to the day since FDR instituted tariffs in the 30's, allegedly to "help" the farmers.)
I've never suggested that compassion or self-awareness would have been their advantage. I suggested that they would have been smart enough to work the problem with more grace than a drunken orangutan on roller skates, and I still say that's absolutely correct.

I don't know how I feel about that.  I tend to not think so. It's not one of those things - like closing Guantanimo Bay - that one can argue that "now that I'm in office I see things differently".  Both advocated for tariffs, and both had ample means to know they would be detrimental to some sectors of our economy.
Do you view tariffs as binary? Honest question, because it seems to me that they're something that can be deployed in a near infinite number of directions, conditions, levels, scales, etc. Your position that they'd all be leveling tariffs only matters if their only option was to declare a trade war and institute massive tariffs on everybody right out of the gate, like Donny did.
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« Reply #968 on: February 14, 2020, 10:34:45 AM »
Well they’re not binary and you’re right, they can take many permutations, but the underlying principle is protectionism.  And who needs protecting (the farmers) and who we need protecting from (the Chinese) doesn’t change when the name on the desk changes.   

Edit: given some of the previous statements by the candidates there’s even a scenario where it would have been worse with Bernie or Hillary.

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« Reply #969 on: February 14, 2020, 10:58:29 AM »
Well they’re not binary and you’re right, they can take many permutations, but the underlying principle is protectionism.  And who needs protecting (the farmers) and who we need protecting from (the Chinese) doesn’t change when the name on the desk changes.   

Edit: given some of the previous statements by the candidates there’s even a scenario where it would have been worse with Bernie or Hillary.
Given the differences in style and intellect I find it unlikely that Bernie or Hillary would have done worse, but of course it's possible. They're not president, though, and Donny is, and Donny's gone all in with the tact of a meth-addled rhinoceros. I don't think you can really argue that either one of those two would have been a little more thoughtful and deliberate in how they instituted a similar policy.
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« Reply #970 on: February 16, 2020, 09:52:07 AM »
Well they’re not binary and you’re right, they can take many permutations, but the underlying principle is protectionism.  And who needs protecting (the farmers) and who we need protecting from (the Chinese) doesn’t change when the name on the desk changes.   

Edit: given some of the previous statements by the candidates there’s even a scenario where it would have been worse with Bernie or Hillary.
Given the differences in style and intellect I find it unlikely that Bernie or Hillary would have done worse, but of course it's possible. They're not president, though, and Donny is, and Donny's gone all in with the tact of a meth-addled rhinoceros. I don't think you can really argue that either one of those two would have been a little more thoughtful and deliberate in how they instituted a similar policy.

I don't know.  All bets are off.  "Tactful" would have been not to say "half of them are deplorable".  "Tactful" would have been not to say "A woman can't win in 2020" (though I don't believe Liz Warren for even half a second; I don't believe Bernie said that or even close to it).   There are a ton of things where I would have thought that those who oppose Trump would be "tactful" and "thoughtful" and they weren't.  It should go without saying (though I have to say it) that yes, Trump IS acting like a meth-addled rhinoceros.  But that doesn't mean that a meth-addled tortoise is any better. I don't believe in degrees of "meth-addlement", to abuse the metaphor. 

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« Reply #972 on: February 16, 2020, 11:31:35 AM »
Well they’re not binary and you’re right, they can take many permutations, but the underlying principle is protectionism.  And who needs protecting (the farmers) and who we need protecting from (the Chinese) doesn’t change when the name on the desk changes.   

Edit: given some of the previous statements by the candidates there’s even a scenario where it would have been worse with Bernie or Hillary.
Given the differences in style and intellect I find it unlikely that Bernie or Hillary would have done worse, but of course it's possible. They're not president, though, and Donny is, and Donny's gone all in with the tact of a meth-addled rhinoceros. I don't think you can really argue that either one of those two would have been a little more thoughtful and deliberate in how they instituted a similar policy.

I don't know.  All bets are off.  "Tactful" would have been not to say "half of them are deplorable".  "Tactful" would have been not to say "A woman can't win in 2020" (though I don't believe Liz Warren for even half a second; I don't believe Bernie said that or even close to it).   There are a ton of things where I would have thought that those who oppose Trump would be "tactful" and "thoughtful" and they weren't.  It should go without saying (though I have to say it) that yes, Trump IS acting like a meth-addled rhinoceros.  But that doesn't mean that a meth-addled tortoise is any better. I don't believe in degrees of "meth-addlement", to abuse the metaphor.
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« Reply #973 on: February 16, 2020, 11:37:34 AM »
Well they’re not binary and you’re right, they can take many permutations, but the underlying principle is protectionism.  And who needs protecting (the farmers) and who we need protecting from (the Chinese) doesn’t change when the name on the desk changes.   

Edit: given some of the previous statements by the candidates there’s even a scenario where it would have been worse with Bernie or Hillary.
Given the differences in style and intellect I find it unlikely that Bernie or Hillary would have done worse, but of course it's possible. They're not president, though, and Donny is, and Donny's gone all in with the tact of a meth-addled rhinoceros. I don't think you can really argue that either one of those two would have been a little more thoughtful and deliberate in how they instituted a similar policy.

I don't know.  All bets are off.  "Tactful" would have been not to say "half of them are deplorable".  "Tactful" would have been not to say "A woman can't win in 2020" (though I don't believe Liz Warren for even half a second; I don't believe Bernie said that or even close to it).   There are a ton of things where I would have thought that those who oppose Trump would be "tactful" and "thoughtful" and they weren't.  It should go without saying (though I have to say it) that yes, Trump IS acting like a meth-addled rhinoceros.  But that doesn't mean that a meth-addled tortoise is any better. I don't believe in degrees of "meth-addlement", to abuse the metaphor.

I think this speaks to what I've been saying for some time. You generally don't care about degrees. Less than great is all equally bad (assuming it's in areas that are the same). I just don't think that's true. We all say dumb stuff on occasion. We all make bad decisions. Yet someone who makes them and says them over and over and over and over and shows NO interest in changing cannot possibly be made equal to someone who has made some mistakes and tried to improve (whether or not you believe them).
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« Reply #974 on: February 16, 2020, 11:39:01 AM »
Got my ballot in the mail, the discussion and speculation time is over. Now it's time to vote the motherfucker out. :metal

What ballot are you talking about?
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #975 on: February 16, 2020, 11:41:04 AM »
Got my ballot in the mail, the discussion and speculation time is over. Now it's time to vote the motherfucker out. :metal

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« Reply #976 on: February 16, 2020, 11:45:43 AM »
The more I've  been thinking about it, and I generally like the guy and am pretty socialist like he is, but I think Bernie is actually destroying the democratic party by accident. He's promising things that he has 0% chance of ever doing. Kind of like the liberal Ron Paul. His ideas are lovely but completely impossible in today's America. So what happens? A ton...and I mean a TON of young democrat voters who just don't know any better start wondering why no one else is promising those things too.

It's like an absentee father who shows up on occasion and keeps promising his kids that they'll go to Disney Land, and Six Flags, and Lego Land and blah blah. But they live with mom. Does mom promise them those things? Hell no because she got god damn bills to pay. Dad says if they live with him, they can stay up all night and eat ice cream. Does mom say that? Hell no, she's a god damn mom and has to keep her kids healthy. So what happens? Kids love absentee dad and hate mom for not giving them what dad offers. These voters are dumb kids. They, out of ignorance, don't realize that Bernie's ideas can't ever happen. They're pipe dreams that sound awesome. Now they want to know why mom (the less socialist candidates like Mayor Pete, or Biden, or whomever) don't offer free college, free healthcare for all, free this, free that, etc. Why? Because those politicians realize it's impossible. The voting kids don't know that and turn on them. Splintering the democratic party, and hurting their chances of ever getting very far.
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« Reply #977 on: February 16, 2020, 11:56:38 AM »
He's coming to Washington....you'd think the Rolling Stones were coming to town.   The entire western half of this state pitched a rage fit when he capitulated to Hillary in 2016.   

If nothing else, the guy could run for "Grand Poobah" of Washington and win an embarrassing landslide.   
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« Reply #978 on: February 16, 2020, 11:58:31 AM »
Maybe the rest of the democrats should pay attention to his message since he's garnering such popularity with future voters and what they want.
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« Reply #979 on: February 16, 2020, 12:05:20 PM »
Maybe the rest of the democrats should pay attention to his message since he's garnering such popularity with future voters and what they want.

Not if what he’s promising isn’t possible anytime soon.

He’s offering free stuff. Everyone wants free stuff. Free stuff, currently, just ain’t likely.
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