New Album “Distance Over Time’, First Set of 2019 Tour Dates announced!

[Max Kuehnau]

Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?

My two best guesses: the unreleased Budokan show of the I&WAB tour, or studio stuff of them recording the album / playing the new songs.

Budokan 2017 is not likely IMHO, because at that point in time they still were with Roadrunner.

[lucasembarbosa]

Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?

https://www.amazon.de/Distance-Over-Time-Dream-Theater/dp/B07KLTV9J4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543962549&sr=8-5&keywords=dream+theater+distance+over+time

That last paragraph, translated using google translate:

After more than 15 million records sold worldwide and a double GRAMMY® nomination, DREAM THEATER make their debut at InsideOutMusic / Sony Music. 'Distance Over Time' is the title of their 14th studio album, for which the band set out to return to their roots to produce a more organic sound. For writing and recording, they moved to remote Yonderbarn studios in Monticello, New York for four months, working together for the first time from beginning to end in the same location on an album. Apart from these little innovations, DREAM THEATER remain true to their unique combination of progressive metal and playful precision. And although 'Distance Over Time' deals with difficult topics, it is audible how much heart, fun and passion have been put into this album. 'Distance Over Time' is available in the following formats: - Deluxe Collector's Box Set (including lenticular card as cover, the Artbook, 180g exclusive color 2LP Gatefold Edition with exclusive artwork, exclusive Picture 7Inch, 60x60 Poster, 10 Art Cards, one Slipmat, one Patch, and a hand-numbered certificate of authenticity) - limited artbook with two CDs, a Blu-Ray and a DVD (including a bonus track, 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel', extended liner Notes, additional artwork with photos from the time of the album and additional video content) - limited CD Digipak (including a bonus track) - Standard CD Jewelcase - 180g heavy vinyl in the gatefold (including a bonus track, an eight-page LP booklet and the entire album as CD) - Digital album

[Another_Won]

Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?

My two best guesses: the unreleased Budokan show of the I&WAB tour, or studio stuff of them recording the album / playing the new songs.

Budokan 2017 is not likely IMHO, because at that point in time they still were with Roadrunner.

But wasn't Budokan 2017 a release for Japanese TV? Does RR have rights to it?

[Max Kuehnau]

I'm not entirely sure, but they may have. Besides (noxon mentioned it I believe), the mixing was a bit naff, so DT won't release it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[mikeyd23]

Interesting, I'm curious about the details of the different packages. What's the DVD/BR all about?

https://www.amazon.de/Distance-Over-Time-Dream-Theater/dp/B07KLTV9J4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1543962549&sr=8-5&keywords=dream+theater+distance+over+time

That last paragraph, translated using google translate:

After more than 15 million records sold worldwide and a double GRAMMY® nomination, DREAM THEATER make their debut at InsideOutMusic / Sony Music. 'Distance Over Time' is the title of their 14th studio album, for which the band set out to return to their roots to produce a more organic sound. For writing and recording, they moved to remote Yonderbarn studios in Monticello, New York for four months, working together for the first time from beginning to end in the same location on an album. Apart from these little innovations, DREAM THEATER remain true to their unique combination of progressive metal and playful precision. And although 'Distance Over Time' deals with difficult topics, it is audible how much heart, fun and passion have been put into this album. 'Distance Over Time' is available in the following formats: - Deluxe Collector's Box Set (including lenticular card as cover, the Artbook, 180g exclusive color 2LP Gatefold Edition with exclusive artwork, exclusive Picture 7Inch, 60x60 Poster, 10 Art Cards, one Slipmat, one Patch, and a hand-numbered certificate of authenticity) - limited artbook with two CDs, a Blu-Ray and a DVD (including a bonus track, 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel', extended liner Notes, additional artwork with photos from the time of the album and additional video content) - limited CD Digipak (including a bonus track) - Standard CD Jewelcase - 180g heavy vinyl in the gatefold (including a bonus track, an eight-page LP booklet and the entire album as CD) - Digital album

That's weird, why would they put instrumental mixes on a DVD?

[gborland]

That's weird, why would they put instrumental mixes on a DVD?

It's a data disc for you to put in your computer. All the tracks in various different file formats for use in audio editing software.

[lucasembarbosa]

Probably a DVD-Audio for high fidelity sounds, audiophile wankery... Or a data disc with the stem files, videos, images in hi-res, etc.

Ninja'd

[YtseJamittaja]

So the actual album with bonus song is 20€, ok. But that Blu-ray+dvd is 35€ more to that price?? Crazy, I would love to have it but definitely not going to spend 55€ to cd+bluray/dvd.


And why it's Blu-ray and dvd? All could be either on bluray or dvd?

[Polarbear]

55€ is definitely pretty pricey.

I'm considering the Blu-Ray audio, just because of the 5.1 mix. I have the standard cd version of Steven Wilsons To The Bone, my dad has the Blu-Ray audio 5.1 version. To say that it's a night and day difference is an understatement. That Dolby 5.1 mix through a pair of good speakers is well worth the asking price IMO!

[Bertielee]

Time stamps, guys (from twitter)

1. Untethered Angel (6:14)
2. Paralyzed (4:17)
3. Fall Into The Light (7:04)
4. Barstool Warrior (6:43)
5. Room 137 (4:23)
6. S2N (6:21)
7. At Wit’s End (9:20)
8. Out Of Reach (4:04)
9. Pale Blue Dot (8:25)
10. Viper King (4:00) (Bonus)

Edit : Ooops, I hadn't seen it had been posted in another thread. My bad.

[ToT-147]

One disappointment I had with ADTOE was that several songs was kinda just normal vers/chorus/vers2/chorus/bridge/chorus but in a long format.

Actually, only This is the Life and Beneath The Surface would fit that song structure.. So is 2 out of 9 songs.. I don't think that can be considered as "several"..

[mikeyd23]

That's weird, why would they put instrumental mixes on a DVD?

It's a data disc for you to put in your computer. All the tracks in various different file formats for use in audio editing software.

That's cool I'd actually mess with that in Logic. I just read instrumental mixes and assumed it was just an instrumental version of the songs.

[devieira73]

I guess there will be instrumental mixes on the second CD. What else could be there?

[rab7]

One disappointment I had with ADTOE was that several songs was kinda just normal vers/chorus/vers2/chorus/bridge/chorus but in a long format.

Actually, only This is the Life and Beneath The Surface would fit that song structure.. So is 2 out of 9 songs.. I don't think that can be considered as "several"..

Let's dissect that a bit. I don't think he literally meant that structure, but you can see that they're very close. And I consider an an instrumental break as a bridge.

OTBOA - Verse1/Verse2/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

BMUBMD - Verse1/Chorus/Verse2/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

LNF - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

TitL - What you mentioned

BitS - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/Bridge/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

Outcry - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/InstrumentalBreak/Bridge/Chorus

FFH - Verse1/Verse2/FinalSection

BAI - Verse1/"Live in the moment..."/"Endless thoughts..."/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

BTS - What you mentioned

By my count, that's 5/9 songs that have the "traditional" Verse/chorus/verse (even if it's not the same style as the first verse)/chorus/somethingdifferent/chorus.

I think Pettor was wanting more songs structured like BAI, or Metropolis where we had Verse1/Verse2/"As a child.....the third arrives"/InstrumentalBreak/"Before the leaves...Dance of eternity"

[Setlist Scotty]

I guess there will be instrumental mixes on the second CD. What else could be there?

That's what I'm thinking. So it would probably be something along these lines:
CD 1 - album with bonus track
CD 2 - instrumental version of album (maybe with bonus track)
DVD - 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel (probably the stem files, but just for UA)
BR - 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel (probably the stem files, but just for UA)

There might be something on the BR that's not on the DVD - perhaps the animations in high definition, whereas on the DVD they'll be in standard definition - but I would imagine most of it will be mirrored on the two discs. If this is the case, it's probably to make sure those that don't have a BR player can still enjoy what's on the discs. It also might be easier/cheaper just to sell both discs in the package together instead of having separate CD/DVD and CD/BR packages like they've done in the past.

[mikeyd23]

I guess there will be instrumental mixes on the second CD. What else could be there?

That's what I'm thinking. So it would probably be something along these lines:
CD 1 - album with bonus track
CD 2 - instrumental version of album (maybe with bonus track)
DVD - 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel (probably the stem files, but just for UA)
BR - 5.1 mixes with video animations, instrumental mixes, the album's high-resolution files, master data of the song 'Untethered Angel (probably the stem files, but just for UA)

There might be something on the BR that's not on the DVD - perhaps the animations in high definition, whereas on the DVD they'll be in standard definition - but I would imagine most of it will be mirrored on the two discs. If this is the case, it's probably to make sure those that don't have a BR player can still enjoy what's on the discs. It also might be easier/cheaper just to sell both discs in the package together instead of having separate CD/DVD and CD/BR packages like they've done in the past.

That makes more sense, probably a good guess. Thanks Scotty.

[The Letter M]

It's actually nice there's both a DVD and a BD (yes, Blu-ray is canonnically/officially abbreviated as BD, not BR). This means I can download the files off the DVD onto my computer but play the HD files off the BD on my TV. Best of both worlds!

-Marc.

[Bertielee]

My BDay is in April : I will negociate with my beloved wife to have part of my presents in advance because I want the 55 euro bundle. Instrumentals of the songs? I will sing my ass off! Bring it to me!

[Ganjalf]

I'll just leave this here, i don't give a fuck.

[ToT-147]

OTBOA - Verse1/Verse2/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

BMUBMD - Verse1/Chorus/Verse2/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

LNF - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

(...)

By my count, that's 5/9 songs that have the "traditional" Verse/chorus/verse (even if it's not the same style as the first verse)/chorus/somethingdifferent/chorus.

It all depends on what you consider as "verse" or "bridge"... I don't know in other languages/countries but here in Argentina we use "puente" - literally, "bridge"- for the lyrical sections that connect the verses with the choruses.. So, as I see, in order to speak about this example alone, you didn't count the bridges that those three songs I left in the quote have..

OtBoA: "We spiral towards disaster...", BMUBMD: "Obsession at all costs, you'll be the death of me..." and LNF (which is the longest): "I have faced the demons of our most desperate moments..." are these bridges that don't appear in your descriptions nor Pettor's, and which are very different to the verses they emerge from..

So I still count 2, but hey, I do agree with what he was implying, that would be cool if this new album would bring up new song structures... I mean, they haven't precisely skipped doing that in TA, but it was for obvious reasons that it has those multiple different structures..

Now we are back to a "normal" album, since DT12...

[bosk1]

*snip*

And you should know better by now that posting leaked material is against forum rules. 

[rab7]

OTBOA - Verse1/Verse2/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

BMUBMD - Verse1/Chorus/Verse2/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

LNF - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

(...)

By my count, that's 5/9 songs that have the "traditional" Verse/chorus/verse (even if it's not the same style as the first verse)/chorus/somethingdifferent/chorus.

It all depends on what you consider as "verse" or "bridge"... I don't know in other languages/countries but here in Argentina we use "puente" - literally, "bridge"- for the lyrical sections that connect the verses with the choruses.. So, as I see, in order to speak about this example alone, you didn't count the bridges that those three songs I left in the quote have..

OtBoA: "We spiral towards disaster...", BMUBMD: "Obsession at all costs, you'll be the death of me..." and LNF (which is the longest): "I have faced the demons of our most desperate moments..." are these bridges that don't appear in your descriptions nor Pettor's, and which are very different to the verses they emerge from..

So I still count 2, but hey, I do agree with what he was implying, that would be cool if this new album would bring up new song structures... I mean, they haven't precisely skipped doing that in TA, but it was for obvious reasons that it has those multiple different structures..

Now we are back to a "normal" album, since DT12...

Oh, I see what you mean. In English, Bridge usually means something like "part after the 2nd chorus that is different from the verse and chorus", so to me that would be the "I Would scream just to be heard...." in BTS and "I drown in hesitation..." from Wither and "I will not live under a shadow of fear" from Along For the Ride.

And yeah most of the ADTOE songs have a 2nd "verse" that sounds different from the 1st verse, but since it's sandwiched between 2 choruses I considered them verses

[lucasembarbosa]

According to this store the bonus disc with the instrumental mixes won't include Viper King, but the hi-res disc will.

https://www.large.nl/p/distance-over-time/393436.html

[dream75]

We have no information on S2N ... Who wrote it? How will it be? Ballad or heavy?

[ToT-147]

And yeah most of the ADTOE songs have a 2nd "verse" that sounds different from the 1st verse, but since it's sandwiched between 2 choruses I considered them verses

I'm not quite sure you know what sections I'm referring to (he, got a rhyme there).. The "puentes" I'm talking about are not just "different verses"; well you can consider them to be verses, but they have a very specific goal which is linking together the verse with the chorus.. They're not "sandwiched between choruses", as you put it.. They're sandwiched between the first verse (or verses) and the choruses, although sometimes they're skipped even if they've been used before in the song (mostly before the final chorus, where they go from the solo or instrumental section right into the chorus).. Also, unlike a verse, these "puentes" usually repeat the same lyrics, like the choruses almost always do..

In DT, they also mutate into something slightly different, not only changing lyrics but also the rhythm, time signatures, guitar sound, keyboard patches, etc (like in The Looking Glass, "You are caught up in your gravity...", Behind the Veil, "I'm finding courage in my darkest hour...", and Endless Sacrifice, "I'm so far away..."/" You're so far away...")...

[gzarruk]

And yeah most of the ADTOE songs have a 2nd "verse" that sounds different from the 1st verse, but since it's sandwiched between 2 choruses I considered them verses

I'm not quite sure you know what sections I'm referring to (he, got a rhyme there).. The "puentes" I'm talking about are not just "different verses"; well you can consider them to be verses, but they have a very specific goal which is linking together the verse with the chorus.. They're not "sandwiched between choruses", as you put it.. They're sandwiched between the first verse (or verses) and the choruses, although sometimes they're skipped even if they've been used before in the song (mostly before the final chorus, where they go from the solo or instrumental section right into the chorus).. Also, unlike a verse, these "puentes" usually repeat the same lyrics, like the choruses almost always do..

In DT, they also mutate into something slightly different, not only changing lyrics but also the rhythm, time signatures, guitar sound, keyboard patches, etc (like in The Looking Glass, "You are caught up in your gravity...", Behind the Veil, "I'm finding courage in my darkest hour...", and Endless Sacrifice, "I'm so far away..."/" You're so far away...")...

What you're refering to is called a pre-chorus. It's a section that always appears after the verses, but before the chorus. A bridge usually has a completely different feel and it's used to create some tension on the song before they can resolve it later with another section (usually a chorus).

[erwinrafael]

Why are people so obsessed with not wanting a verse-chorus-verse pattern? Everything should be Metropolis Pt. 1?

[Darkstarshades]

Why are people so obsessed with not wanting a verse-chorus-verse pattern? Everything should be Metropolis Pt. 1?

Yes

[noxon]

This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc

[Ninjabait]

One disappointment I had with ADTOE was that several songs was kinda just normal vers/chorus/vers2/chorus/bridge/chorus but in a long format.

Actually, only This is the Life and Beneath The Surface would fit that song structure.. So is 2 out of 9 songs.. I don't think that can be considered as "several"..

Let's dissect that a bit. I don't think he literally meant that structure, but you can see that they're very close. And I consider an an instrumental break as a bridge.

OTBOA - Verse1/Verse2/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

BMUBMD - Verse1/Chorus/Verse2/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

LNF - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

TitL - What you mentioned

BitS - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/Chorus/Bridge/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

Outcry - Verse1/Chorus/DifferentVerse/InstrumentalBreak/Bridge/Chorus

FFH - Verse1/Verse2/FinalSection

BAI - Verse1/"Live in the moment..."/"Endless thoughts..."/Chorus/InstrumentalBreak/Chorus

BTS - What you mentioned

By my count, that's 5/9 songs that have the "traditional" Verse/chorus/verse (even if it's not the same style as the first verse)/chorus/somethingdifferent/chorus.

I think Pettor was wanting more songs structured like BAI, or Metropolis where we had Verse1/Verse2/"As a child.....the third arrives"/InstrumentalBreak/"Before the leaves...Dance of eternity"

Well, that's technically accurate (the best kind), but imo talking about most DT songs that aren't Wither or TALW in terms of lyrical VCVCBCC forms isn't the best way to go about describing their song structures. Most of the instrumental parts are written first, with the vocals being added later. TMoLS, for example, could technically be broken down to a VC structure, but that long middle section has about as much weight as the vocal sections and just labeling it as a "bridge" diminishes its importance. If you're going to do a structural analysis of a DT song (or most prog songs), you're better off thinking in terms of raw music. Honest, I find that using A/B/C labels to be much more efficient and accurate for describing their song structures.

Let's take OTBoA for example. While lyrically it has a Verse/Chorus structure, if you listen to it it doesn't really sound like it. If we break it down and label each section individually:

[Introduction - material doesn't appear anywhere else in the song]

A - Choral Theme/Chorus

Ba - Chunky Guitar Riff/Verse
Bb - "We spiral towards disaster"/Synth arpeggios #2
Ba - CHUNK/Verse
B-Codetta - Guitar Theme (this is mostly transitional material, honestly)

A - Choral Theme/Chorus

Ba - HEFTYCHUNK
Bb - "Blurring lines drawn in-between"/Synth arps #2, but now it's shorter than before
Ba - MEGACHUNK/O LAWD HE CHUNKIN
B-Codetta - Guitar Theme

A - Choral Theme/Chorus

Ca - Piano Solo
Cb - Guitar Solo
C-Codetta - Like the guitar theme, but different

A - Choral Theme/Chorus (with repeat)

Coda - GIMME DAT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SUPERCHUNK WITH AN OVERLAY OF A VARIATION OF THE A THEME IN A REALLY CLEVER WAY TO COMBINE THE TWO THEMES AT ONCE TO TAKE US HOME

So the overall structure would look more like this:

[Intro] ABABACA [CODA] OR [Intro] A||:BA:||CA [Coda]

With all the individual subsections bringing it out to:

[Intro] A - BaBbBa Codetta - A - BaBbBa Codetta - A - CaCb Codetta2:ElectricBoogaloo - A - Coda

Which has more similarities to a 5-part Rondo form than a typical Verse/Chorus structure.

All this mumbo jumbo is me basically trying to say that trying to describe the song structure in terms of the lyrics (for a band that doesn't put as much emphasis on the lyrics as, say, Taylor Swift) will make you miss out on a lot of details and imo give you an inaccurate picture of how the song is layed out. In reality, DT songs kind of function as both the overarching musical structure (which is more dominant) and the lyrical structure (which is more subservient). It's a weird and unique form of what I would call a "double-function form" that comes about from prog's original classical and jazz influences mixing with pop/rock music.

[Cool Chris]

...for a band that doesn't put as much emphasis on the lyrics as, say, Taylor Swift)...

'Cause the players gonna play, play, play, play, play
And the haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate, hate
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off
Heart-breakers gonna break, break, break, break, break
And the fakers gonna fake, fake, fake, fake, fake
Baby, I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake, shake, shake
I shake it off, I shake it off

[Addy]

This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc

Hilarious It's even worse than that interview with Devin on Bulgarian TV. Reminds me of all these Kimmel/Fallon/Conan shows where they talk about nothing... but worse 

[YtseJamittaja]

This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc

Wow, they really flew off to Spain to do this? 

I'm loving how both James and John get owned several times at the show

[Eldomm]

This has to be the most surreal dt interview I’ve ever seen: https://youtu.be/m25bJ297zrc

[Red_Queen]

*snip*

And you should know better by now that posting leaked material is against forum rules.

Leaked ..what ? There is really something around ?