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Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« on: October 11, 2018, 02:00:04 PM »
Subject says it all.  I read in a separate thread that Mike Portnoy said it was recorded in HD.  Even though some have said this won't work, I raised a petition (URL below), please sign and let's see where this may go.
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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2018, 02:04:00 PM »
Nah, it wouldn't do an ounce of good, and while Score is good, it has had its day. Just my .02.

Don't get me wrong, I'd dig having it in higher definition, but I just don't think a fan petition will result in the record company investing the time and money into re-producing it for sale. Score did well, but a re-release may not be financially viable or warranted. And lets face it -- if it isn't gonna make 'em money, they record company isn't doing it.

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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2018, 02:13:41 PM »
I'm going to answer two questions:  the question you are actually asking, and the question I think your question is really getting at. 

Would I sign a petition?  Well, if fans wanted this bad enough that they went to all the effort to start a petition in the first place, sure.  Why not? 

Do I personally want a BR release?  Not really.  I mean, I have nothing against one.  But I just don't have any desire personally.  It's a great release.  But it's not one I have any great desire to revisit with any regularity, and the definition on the DVD release is just fine, IMO. 
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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2018, 02:18:36 PM »
I'm going to answer two questions:  the question you are actually asking, and the question I think your question is really getting at. 

Would I sign a petition?  Well, if fans wanted this bad enough that they went to all the effort to start a petition in the first place, sure.  Why not? 

Do I personally want a BR release?  Not really.  I mean, I have nothing against one.  But I just don't have any desire personally.  It's a great release.  But it's not one I have any great desire to revisit with any regularity, and the definition on the DVD release is just fine, IMO.

Couldn't have said it better myself.


But I'll try anyway.

I'll sign a petition since it's not an awful idea and signing is easy. I don't need a blu ray cause it's great quality as is.

Maybe not better, but definitely more concise.
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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2018, 02:19:30 PM »
I'd sign and I do want one.  The biggest issue with the Score DVD is the picture quality is not very good.  Budokan on DVD was much better and the Budokan blu-ray was a nice upgrade, a Score blu-ray would be a huge upgrade IMO.

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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2018, 02:32:02 PM »
I would sign it.

I was there and the DVD quality is a bit underwhelming. Would be great to have a full HD souvenir of that night.
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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2018, 07:31:41 PM »
It would be so awesome if we lived in a world where the petitions we were asked to sign were for stuff like this.. To answer the question,,  HECK YEAH!!!   :metal
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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2018, 08:26:58 PM »
I personally really want this concert on Blu-ray
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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 10:42:41 AM »
Thanks for the feedback on this.  I decided to raise a petition at this URL:

 https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dream-theater-score-in-blu-ray

Thanks to all who sign.  Who knows, maybe this will eventually work.

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2018, 10:57:45 AM »
Signed and shared! 😎
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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2018, 11:01:13 AM »
If someone (maybe me) raised a petition, would you sign it?

No.  The DVD is fine, and I'm fairly confident a petition would be futile.
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Re: Would you sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray?
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 12:40:09 PM »
Signed and shared! 😎

Signed as well, although I have little hope this gets anywhere.

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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2018, 12:48:46 PM »
Picture quality is pretty bad on the dvd so would definitely buy a Blu-ray.

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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2018, 02:08:16 PM »
I signed it but it doesn't keep track of your IP so you can sign it a million times as long as the name/email are different/bogus.  I tested it and signed thrice (Meh/meh@meh.com, Na/na@na.com, and Bleh/bleh@bleh.com) but it can easily be really abused.

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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2018, 05:24:56 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but would a Blu Ray release actually make a difference?   If the source material wasn't shot in High Def (maybe it was, I don't know) then all you'd get is a high res transfer of a low res original. 

For example.    Re-releasing Monty Python on Blu-Ray is totally pointless.   Because of relatively primitive way the show was shot in the first place, you can only get so much out of the source material.   Same principle. 

I've noticed that the intro shot with the credits looks very grainy, but I think that's just due to low lighting levels.   I don't think you'd get a lot of improvement.   You would need it to be REMASTERED and *then* released on BluRay.
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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2018, 04:40:51 AM »
The original post reads that MP said it was shot in High Def.  If so, that means it could be translated to blu-ray and look clearer than on dvd. It was filmed in 2005, which HD cameras were all ready in use. Rush's R30 was filmed in 2004 and it looks and sounds fantasic on blu-ray..😉
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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2018, 07:22:32 AM »
Yes, the concert was not filmed such a long time ago that they had and used the technology to make a HD video.  Also, correct me if I am wrong, but I thought they also had to even compress the video quality further to accommodate the audio for this concert which explains why even for a DVD it looks a bit grainy and not as good as it could be. 

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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2018, 07:52:55 AM »
The original post reads that MP said it was shot in High Def.  If so, that means it could be translated to blu-ray and look clearer than on dvd. It was filmed in 2005, which HD cameras were all ready in use. Rush's R30 was filmed in 2004 and it looks and sounds fantasic on blu-ray..😉
The show was shot and mastered in HiDef using studio cameras, not handhelds using an ESPN video mobile studio. Even the menus were done hi Def, the masters look really good.
Before MP left the band, we had begun the process of doing a bluray, the issue was that WB/Rhino couldn't find the master.

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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2018, 08:19:03 AM »
The original post reads that MP said it was shot in High Def.  If so, that means it could be translated to blu-ray and look clearer than on dvd. It was filmed in 2005, which HD cameras were all ready in use. Rush's R30 was filmed in 2004 and it looks and sounds fantasic on blu-ray..😉
The show was shot and mastered in HiDef using studio cameras, not handhelds using an ESPN video mobile studio. Even the menus were done hi Def, the masters look really good.
Before MP left the band, we had begun the process of doing a bluray, the issue was that WB/Rhino couldn't find the master.

 :o I sure hope someone found it

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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2018, 11:02:16 AM »
The original post reads that MP said it was shot in High Def.  If so, that means it could be translated to blu-ray and look clearer than on dvd. It was filmed in 2005, which HD cameras were all ready in use. Rush's R30 was filmed in 2004 and it looks and sounds fantasic on blu-ray..😉
The show was shot and mastered in HiDef using studio cameras, not handhelds using an ESPN video mobile studio. Even the menus were done hi Def, the masters look really good.
Before MP left the band, we had begun the process of doing a bluray, the issue was that WB/Rhino couldn't find the master.

I didn't realize that some of the source material was missing.  Hopefully it was found.

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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2018, 03:58:58 AM »
The original post reads that MP said it was shot in High Def.  If so, that means it could be translated to blu-ray and look clearer than on dvd. It was filmed in 2005, which HD cameras were all ready in use. Rush's R30 was filmed in 2004 and it looks and sounds fantasic on blu-ray..😉
The show was shot and mastered in HiDef using studio cameras, not handhelds using an ESPN video mobile studio. Even the menus were done hi Def, the masters look really good.
Before MP left the band, we had begun the process of doing a bluray, the issue was that WB/Rhino couldn't find the master.
Aww, that sucks. Always loved Score, and thought it could do with a BD, and I had wondered why it never got a BD release... The DVD had a lot of macroblocking, and given all the bright colours and such, I imagine it looks amazing in HD...
Man, that's a real shame. I hope the HD masters are somewhere. I'd love to see Score in HD. I'd buy a BD of that in a heartbeat.


Anyway, regarding a petition, I'll be honest -- I think online petitions are stupid and never work. If you want to make a difference, get a discussion going, start a Twitter hashtag, get word around, etc. Petitions are almost like the lazy option for doing something like this, but without any of the advantages of doing something like this, and they're more bothersome to sign up for.
Though if Bobs23 says a BD was already in the process of happening, I imagine the masters being missing is still the main issue. Given Budokan got a BD release in 2011, I don't imagine Score would have stayed unreleased on BD if the masters had been found.
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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2018, 04:32:25 AM »
Time and again you hear this kind of stuff. We can't find the tapes, we can't find the master etc... shouldn't be, like, proper and common procedure for a label to properly backup all the stuff that, after all, they own the rights for?
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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2018, 05:38:47 AM »
Time and again you hear this kind of stuff. We can't find the tapes, we can't find the master etc... shouldn't be, like, proper and common procedure for a label to properly backup all the stuff that, after all, they own the rights for?
You would think, wouldn't you.

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Like... Seriously.

Toei have the original film prints and negatives used in the production of every episode, movie, and special from the original 1986-1997 run of the Dragon Ball franchise, but only have the original audio for the movies and GT, and only used the audio on the movies, but only for the home media releases in Japan. All foreign releases of the movies, and all releases of the TV shows use crappy audio from the optical film track, which are distorted and awful. Same situation applies to Fist Of The North Star, Saint Seiya, and Dr. Slump.
They also used the crappy '90s videotape master for all versions of the GT TV special aired, given to foreign distributors, released in Japan, etc., despite them still definitely having film of it... Which consequently means that while the video is awful, the Japanese audio is the original master, and since it was GT, it's even in stereo.

So... Just be glad our audio of Live In Tokyo isn't something like optical film audio in mono!! :lol

Even DT haven't been perfect, though. Metropolis on 5 Years In A LIVEtime comes from a VHS tape, because there was no other master available. And there's the famous case from Chaos In Motion, where the multitrack audio they got for a few songs was from a different show, so all they had for the video version was the soundboard audio that was already on the footage, which they could EQ, but couldn't properly mix or anything.
And I do wonder if a lot of Chaos In Motion wasn't cropped for the DVD, but was only available from footage that was cropped to widescreen.
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Re: Please sign a petition to get Score re-released on Blu Ray
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2018, 08:12:11 AM »
I would love it if they did this, since I was at the show.  It would be wonderful to have it in the best quality recording possible.

But I doubt very seriously that there is a big enough market for it at this point for it to be worth it for the powers that be.
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