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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #385 on: October 07, 2018, 04:02:25 PM »
I see mine but I'm not sure I understand the comment.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #386 on: October 07, 2018, 04:03:58 PM »
I see mine but I'm not sure I understand the comment.


Reading this makes me giggle.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #387 on: October 07, 2018, 04:07:14 PM »
literally the only one that i think could be mine after checking the song is the phil spector comment and i have no clue who phil spector is besides "killed a girl once"

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #388 on: October 07, 2018, 04:11:10 PM »
literally the only one that i think could be mine after checking the song is the phil spector comment and i have no clue who phil spector is besides "killed a girl once"

Now that is Death Metal.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #389 on: October 07, 2018, 04:12:01 PM »
it's more like death'n'roll

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #390 on: October 07, 2018, 04:24:41 PM »
I don't think mine's in that batch.

Also, if no one else is guessing, I guess I will... guess: Karnivool sent by romdrums and Caligula's Horse by Elite

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #391 on: October 07, 2018, 04:40:49 PM »
Aefenwelg: yes and no.

Tim and Parama: expecting clarity from a bozo crammed inside a bus, listening to music and typing on a phone with his wife's show-smelling feet on his lap? Cheers.


Timestamp Snippets, batch II:

1:38 - 2:02: I guess that's the closer you can fly to Jethro Tull without burning your wings.

3:29 - 3:42: That melody belongs to the realm of brazen emotional blackmail. Blackmail worked.

4:47 - 5:11: The song could have definitely used more of that worlds-destroying monster of a riff

3:30 - 4:36: An egregious case of wrong placement, weakening the plan.

1:42 - 2:09: The most unassuming segment, yet I'm hopelessly addicted to it.

2:20 - 2:30: Pink Floyd called: they want their One of These Days back.

0:48 - 0:56: Every composition leaning on John Miles' Music side of things is doing it right.

1:06 - 1:38: ... If you believe that you know in this world you've got anything to win ... Sorry, couldn't help it. 
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #392 on: October 07, 2018, 05:15:57 PM »

Tim and Parama: expecting clarity from a bozo crammed inside a bus, listening to music and typing on a phone with his wife's show-smelling feet on his lap? Cheers.

I'm expecting Instant Clarity.



Get it? ;D
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #393 on: October 07, 2018, 05:16:58 PM »
You should thank God I'm already married.

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #394 on: October 07, 2018, 05:20:00 PM »
Gee, and my feet smell amazing! :lol
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #395 on: October 07, 2018, 05:24:38 PM »
Gee, and my feet smell amazing! :lol

I know your amazing.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #396 on: October 07, 2018, 05:28:19 PM »
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums........or WTF.  ;D
TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #397 on: October 07, 2018, 05:39:00 PM »

3:30 - 4:36: An egregious case of wrong placement, weakening the plan.

There's mine  :corn
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #398 on: October 07, 2018, 06:22:22 PM »
These write-ups are why I'm here.  :corn

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #399 on: October 07, 2018, 06:44:58 PM »
2:20 - 2:30: Pink Floyd called: they want their One of These Days back.

I believe this mine.

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #400 on: October 07, 2018, 09:22:54 PM »
I either don't see mine or don't understand which is mine. Went and listened and tried to pinpoint it, but I'm stumped. Huh.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #401 on: October 07, 2018, 10:38:02 PM »
I don't remember when stuff happens in my song. :lol
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #402 on: October 07, 2018, 11:22:53 PM »
i mean i checked them all against my song and the only one that both matches up with my song & feels like it could be related to the song itself is the one i pointed out but i have no clue what it actually means

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #403 on: October 08, 2018, 12:18:00 AM »
I think a 5 seconds mistake on my part may have cause a bit of confusion. Fixed.

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #404 on: October 08, 2018, 05:34:17 AM »
Checked the first set of timestamps against my song, and I don't think any apply.  Will test against the 2nd set of timestamps after my 10 hour drive.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #405 on: October 08, 2018, 10:43:58 AM »

2:22 - 2:52: Phil Spector barged in guns ablazing and made sure I won't forget this tune.


I'd bet this was mine.   

Phil Spector, Wall of Sound, can't beat it. 

(By the way, not directed at anyone in particular - I mean that - but you should know who Phil Spector is; he influenced everyone from the Beatles to the Beach Boys to Marillion to, well, my submission.)
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #406 on: October 08, 2018, 10:45:40 AM »
I had to Google who the hell Phil Spector was is.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Bus Impressions
« Reply #407 on: October 08, 2018, 11:04:48 AM »
3:29 - 3:42: That melody belongs to the realm of brazen emotional blackmail. Blackmail worked.

Checked my song as I suspected this snippet was mine, and apparently yeah, that guitar melody I thought about comes exactly at 3:29.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #408 on: October 08, 2018, 11:06:59 AM »
I honestly have no clue which is mine if not the 2:22 one because none of the other snippets line up with anything happening in my song lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #409 on: October 08, 2018, 12:07:59 PM »
4:45 - 4:58: It may be the first and last time I type this sentence in my life: vocals should have gone full screamo there. Just there.
1:42 - 2:09: The most unassuming segment, yet I'm hopelessly addicted to it.
These are the only two that make sense for mine, timing-wise, unless you're being rather crafty with the timestamps.

The latter one seems to end mid-phrase, but then it's as it starts building up to a chorus, so that could work possibly.

The former, the timings make perfect sense as does the section, but I'm not sure about the use of the word "full screamo" as there's nothing else even vaguely screamo in the song. But you may have just meant that this particular section called for something like that.

So yeah, I guess one of those!

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #410 on: October 08, 2018, 02:52:27 PM »
Total Hangman, since the guessing is over:

TAC: Michael Kiske - Do I Remember a Life?
Aefenwelg: Coheed and Cambria - The Willing Well: From Fear to the Eyes of Madness
lonestar: Beyond the Bridge - The Difference Is Human
Parama: Hail Spirit Noir - The Mermaid
kingshmegland: Barock Project - Happy to See You
Evermind: Big Big Train - Curator of Butterflies
jingle.boy:Evership - A Slow Descent into Reality
Elite: Haken - Atlas Stone
DestinyOfChaos:Vanden Plas - January Sun
Puppies_On_Acid:Oceansize - Commemorative 9/11 T-Shirt
Kattelox: Luca Turilli's Rhapsody - Tormento e Passione
Shadow Ninja 2.0: While Heaven Wept – Vessel
romdrums: Karnivool - New Day
Sacul:Snarky Puppy - What About Me?
Stadler:Cheap Trick - The Summer Looks Good on You
ariich: Caligula's Horse - Turntail

Results 1 of 4 in a minute ...

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #411 on: October 08, 2018, 02:59:13 PM »
ariich: why that specific song, I must ask  :P

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #412 on: October 08, 2018, 03:00:57 PM »
ariich: why that specific song, I must ask  :P
Because it's awesome. :hat

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #413 on: October 08, 2018, 03:17:35 PM »
There's some good shit in this round.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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TAC got a higher score than me in the electronic round? Honestly, can I just drop out now? :lol

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Smelly Snippets
« Reply #414 on: October 08, 2018, 03:19:46 PM »
... Done.

Before sharp objects begin to fly, I beg you to consider the following:

. I am wrong about your songs, for better of worse. There is no absolute judgement here, only my taste – or lack of – speaking.

. I may comment on Song A in happy enthusiastic terms, on Song B in harsh disappointing ones, and rate them roughly the same. There is a reason. Song A made the best of its premises, Song B wasted large potential for greatness. It's the only way I know to balance judgement among genres, styles and eras.

. I have loved listening to your submissions. If the writeups read too negative, it's only because I find it more interesting to elaborate on what a tune lacked in order to be a 10, rather than stating the obvious positive traits. 

. I'm costive with marks. Maybe letting these songs grow with (and on) me for a long time will help their causes, but I'm trying to keep excitement for new stuff and actual appreciation safely separated.


Round One Results, 1 of 4:

:metardica: Puppies_On_Acid - West Coast Lost Marbles

Oceansize – 9/11 Commemorative T-Shirt:

Bus Impression: One song made me shake my head. Go all the way, goddammit.
Timestamp Snippett: 3:30 - 4:36: An egregious case of wrong placement, weakening the plan.

Emotional mood pieces are tricky buggers. They're like impressionist pictures: not possessing a clear definite image to focus on, they rely on the aggregate effect of tones and shapes. When they succeed, they're deeper than any linear storytelling, while on the other hand they only need a single wrong brush stroke to lose power. In this song's case, the sung part brings all the tapestry down and – keeping up with the picture analogy – forces the eye of the beholder to abruptly change focus the very moment it's finally gaining access beneath the surface.

The intricate (but immediate) sound layers were working wonders. I could picture the impact of devastation, as well as the even heavier impact of collective conscience rationalisation. Inserting human voice in that unspeakable mood (majestically conveyed by the music) took me out, changed a living memory into a t-shirt. Plus, it compromised the beautiful crescendo, which could have been almost unbearable in its efficacy.

Vote: 6.2 – A potential soul hitting 8 until the vocal part, then it couldn't recover momentum and pass the ok alternative rock mood piece treshold.


Aefenwelg - The Uhhhh.. Wildcats

Coheed and Cambria – The Willing Well II: From Fear through the Eyes of Madness:

Bus Impression: One song made me shake my fist. Work this more, goddammit.
Timestamp Snippett: 2:20 - 2:30: Pink Floyd called: they want their One of These Days back.

This is actually two distinct songs joined by ten seconds borrowed from Pink Floyd. The first one has a nice jumpy punk-pop vibe, the second one goes on riding on some robust – albeit interrupted now and then - early Maidens patented 12/8 charge. Both feature nice catchy ideas and these guys do have a knack for the hooky melodies. All the ingredients seem to be there, then why isn't this rated higher, you may ask with eyes like knives? Execution,man. Execution.

Despite some really great drumwork building phrasing opportuinities every two seconds, the guitars are from devastatingly pedestrian when on rythm duty to disruptingly chaotic when feeling like providing bells and whistles. I don't know this band, hence it may very well be a stylistic choice rather than lack of competence. Should that be the case, my rating would go even lower. There were a lot of interesting ideas and brilliant songwriting developments here, the majority wasted neglecting the orchestration. Oh, I haven't mentioned the vocals yet. Good, I just did.

Vote: 6.4 – Successful songwriting not nourished as it deserves.


Stadler - The Hartford Walers

Cheap Trick: The Summer Looks Good on You:

Bus Impression: One song made me elbow-pose by the car window in youthful amusement.
Timestamp Snippett: 2:22 - 2:52: Phil Spector barged in guns ablazing and made sure I won't forget this tune.

If you set your goal to “just a fun nice groovy rock tune”, chances are you totally succeed and bring to the table a couple of surprises to boot. Meat and potatoes rock pace (vibes of Mr Big's Alive and Kicking, a kickass car staple) embellished with vocal harmonies from the Merseyside vault. At first listen it's just a radio friendly efficient song, but with a little attention you find out the friendly simplicity is made of wise layering and fifty years spent drinking at the secret fountain of pop.

Then there's the breakdown section. You'd expect some bluesy Harley driving licking, and you would be wrong. The Spirit of Spector breaks the doors down, bringing on the table a devilish cadence and some unexpected bass soloing. Yet again, the layers make the difference in this section, filling the apparently unoffensive tune with a core of danger (a perfect match to the vocals' Lennonesque phrasing) and making it memorable.

Vote: 6.6 – Craft and brilliance made it condiserably more than an ok song.   
     

Kattelox - The Rainbow Warriors

Luca Turilli's Rhapsody – Tormento e Passione:

Bus Impression: One song made me self-conscious of where I'm from
Timestamp Snippett: 1:05 - 1:18: Once you've decided to go "that" way, then a simplistic Aces High modulation driven section seems quite out of place.

Rarely a title was more appropriate. The passion for Baroque phrasing's apollinean beauty and Romantic heroic melody's dictature is undeniable and sincere. It's expressive urgency rather than expressive choice, and that's the mark of a true musician. Alas, sometimes urgency leads to exageration, overloading the means forgetting the ends, and passion's flip side turns up as torment. That's Italian sense of melody in a nutshell: unparalled beauty (and sometimes this tune is astoundingly beautiful) and emotional bombast often going too far.

There's a pretty standard power metal progression showing up the magic trick by contrast, casting light on the form as surrogate for substance. Without that, I'm pretty sure the song would have “fooled” the part of cultural DNA I share with the author. The vocalists are very talented and gifted with recognisable timbres (a rare feat at high ranges), and I actually liked them more in their natural voice rather than in the (semi)operatic pose.

Vote: 6.8 – A really nice song, I just can't find it as sublime as it's representing itself.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Sticks
« Reply #415 on: October 08, 2018, 03:25:17 PM »
I love reading those thoughts. Your writing style is compelling. Had no idea where to start this roulette so I think that was a pleasant surprise on my end.  :metal
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Sticks
« Reply #416 on: October 08, 2018, 03:35:34 PM »
Hey, continuing my trend of being at or near the bottom of every roulette!  :metal

I think I know where to go from here.
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Sticks
« Reply #417 on: October 08, 2018, 03:36:20 PM »
Not in the bottom 4 woo  :metal

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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Sticks
« Reply #418 on: October 08, 2018, 03:54:16 PM »
Yeah, let me second that I love your writing style and details.  I'm too lazy to do that. Lol
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Re: Indiscipline's Roulette: The Encino Man - v. Four Sticks
« Reply #419 on: October 08, 2018, 04:11:56 PM »
Mumps in utero and Lagavulin out of it.

Credit where credit's due.