Stupid Dream Theater factoids.

[IDontNotDoThings]

I didn't count those because they weren't officially released, but with them in mind, the totals go to:

JP: 98 songs
MP: 23 songs
JLB: 15 songs
KM: 14 songs
JM: 9 songs
CD: 2 songs
CC: 2 songs
MM: 1 song

[porcacultor]

Star sign time! (No rising signs because I don't think their birth times are publicly disclosed)

John Petrucci - Cancer
John Myung - Aquarius
James LaBrie - Taurus
Jordan Rudess - Scorpio
Mike Mangini - Aries

Mike Portnoy - Taurus
Kevin Moore - Gemini
Derek Sherinian - Virgo
Charlie Dominici - Gemini

I think it's fun to speculate on this stuff, but of course it's far from hard science.

It "makes sense" that JP and JM would be members of two of the more introspective star signs (especially JM seeming somewhat aloof at times, matching the stereotype for Aquarius -- not to mention his creativity and unique vision).

The image of JLB and MP both "butting heads" being both Taurus is also kind of interesting. I always thought MP was an Aries (though he was born on the cusp between Aries and Taurus, so that is somewhat relevant).

Anyway, I don't know if anyone else digs this kind of thing here, but I figured I'd post it!

[gzarruk]

Don't forget:
Another Won (JP)
Your Majesty (JP)
A Vision (KM)
Two Far (KM)
Vital Star (KM)
March of the Tyrant (JP)
Cry for Freedom (Chris Collins)
Afterlife (Chris Collins - original lyrics/vocal melodies)
Don't Look Past Me (JP)
Raise the Knife (MP)
Where Are You Now (JP)
The Way It Used to Be (JL)
Cover My Eyes (JP)
Speak to Me (JL)

For the bolded:

- I wish they had recorded a version of Cry for Freedom with Chris that was actualy audible so we could understad what his lyrics were.

- If Afterlife was rewritten by Charlie, we shouldn't count the CC version, should we?

- I always thought Kevin wrote the lyrics for DLPM, but it's very hard to find any official sources on who wrote lyrics for their B-side/extra songs, so I probably just read it from a bad source.

[Setlist Scotty]

I wish they had recorded a version of Cry for Freedom with Chris that was actualy audible so we could understad what his lyrics were.

Amen! That, or at least have had Charlie sing the song for the WDaDU demos.

If Afterlife was rewritten by Charlie, we shouldn't count the CC version, should we?

Why not? IDNDT was listing "lyrical contributions", which CC did do, even if they were re-written later.

I always thought Kevin wrote the lyrics for DLPM, but it's very hard to find any official sources on who wrote lyrics for their B-side/extra songs, so I probably just read it from a bad source.

To be honest, I just glanced at wikipedia - I don't have all the credits committed to memory and I didn't feel like digging out my copy of the 1999 DTIFC CD to double check. But I'd assume they're correct.

[gzarruk]

Amen! That, or at least have had Charlie sing the song for the WDaDU demos.

Like they did with the 89 version of A Vision. I like that version much more than the original because they removed all the unnecesary sections and made it 4 minutes shorter, and the production is also better.

Why not? IDNDT was listing "lyrical contributions", which CC did do, even if they were re-written later.

You're right, sir.

To be honest, I just glanced at wikipedia - I don't have all the credits committed to memory and I didn't feel like digging out my copy of the 1999 DTIFC CD to double check. But I'd assume they're correct.

Wikipedia has Moore as the lyricist for DLPM.

[BeardedGentlemanHistorian]

The shortest amount of time between the release of two DT studio (not live) albums was 574 days.

Train of Throught (November 11, 2003) to Octavarium (June 7, 2005).

[Setlist Scotty]

To be honest, I just glanced at wikipedia - I don't have all the credits committed to memory and I didn't feel like digging out my copy of the 1999 DTIFC CD to double check. But I'd assume they're correct.

Wikipedia has Moore as the lyricist for DLPM.

Ooops!      Actually, I had only looked at wikipedia for the FII outtakes and Majesty demos. My mistake.   

[IDontNotDoThings]

The 28 shortest DT songs (16 of which are from The Astonishing) can fit on one 80 minute disc.

01. The Hovering Sojourn [0:27]
02. Digital Discord [0:47]
03. Through My Words [1:02]
04. Machine Chatter [1:03]
05. Descent Of The NOMACS [1:10]
06. Power Down [1:25]
07. Whispers On The Wind [1:37]
08. The Answer [1:52]
09. Regression [2:06]
10. War Inside My Head [2:08]
11. 2285 Entr'acte [2:20]
12. Wait For Sleep [2:30]
13. False Awakening Suite [2:42]
14. Vacant [2:57]
15. The Walking Shadow [2:58]
16. Lord Nafaryus [3:28]
17. The Road To Revolution [3:35]
18. Overture 1928 [3:37]
19. Hymn Of A Thousand Voices [3:38]
20. My Last Farewell [3:44]
21. Three Days [3:44]
22. One Last Time [3:46]
23. The Silent Man [3:48]
24. Begin Again [3:54]
25. Far From Heaven [3:56]
26. The Gift Of Music [4:00]
27. Viper King [4:00]
28. Out Of Reach [4:04]
Total: 1:16:18

[MirrorMask]

That's cool! one should rearrange them in a proper playlist....

...and make a bonus disc of their longest songs - Six Degrees and Octavarium and that's it for the disc 

[Dedalus]

The 28 shortest DT songs (16 of which are from The Astonishing) can fit on one 80 minute disc.

01. The Hovering Sojourn [0:27]
02. Digital Discord [0:47]
03. Through My Words [1:02]
04. Machine Chatter [1:03]
05. Descent Of The NOMACS [1:10]
06. Power Down [1:25]
07. Whispers On The Wind [1:37]
08. The Answer [1:52]
09. Regression [2:06]
10. War Inside My Head [2:08]
11. 2285 Entr'acte [2:20]
12. Wait For Sleep [2:30]
13. False Awakening Suite [2:42]
14. Vacant [2:57]
15. The Walking Shadow [2:58]
16. Lord Nafaryus [3:28]
17. The Road To Revolution [3:35]
18. Overture 1928 [3:37]
19. Hymn Of A Thousand Voices [3:38]
20. My Last Farewell [3:44]
21. Three Days [3:44]
22. One Last Time [3:46]
23. The Silent Man [3:48]
24. Begin Again [3:54]
25. Far From Heaven [3:56]
26. The Gift Of Music [4:00]
27. Viper King [4:00]
28. Out Of Reach [4:04]
Total: 1:16:18

Cool!

Sugestion: War Inside My Head as a bonus track 

[IDontNotDoThings]

Factoid: Dream Theater's 11th album was released in 2011

[gzarruk]

Each DT studio album released between 1994 and 1999 (Awake, FII and SFAM) had a different lineup from each other. Now it may not seem like a big deal, but I would've definitely worried back then if my favorite band changed members with every album cycle.

[MirrorMask]

Well, when a band is young, that's relatively common.... Iron Maiden's first album with the same lineup of the previous was Powerslave for example.

[jammindude]

Well, when a band is young, that's relatively common.... Iron Maiden's first album with the same lineup of the previous was Powerslave for example.

And all DT did under the period in question was change the keyboardist twice.  The other 4 members remained the same. 

Iron Maiden changed 3 out of 5 members.   I don't stop to think about it much, but it's kinda weird to think that by the time they got to Piece of Mind, there were only 2 original members in the band. 

[Orbert]

Some bands go for their entire run with the same lineup, some change a lot.  I'm not sure which is more impressive.  A band going for decades without any changes is probably more rare, but some bands take a while before they find the magic formula, and if they can make it happen then that's cool, too.

[pg1067]

Well, when a band is young, that's relatively common.... Iron Maiden's first album with the same lineup of the previous was Powerslave for example.

And all DT did under the period in question was change the keyboardist twice.  The other 4 members remained the same. 

Iron Maiden changed 3 out of 5 members.   I don't stop to think about it much, but it's kinda weird to think that by the time they got to Piece of Mind, there were only 2 original members in the band.

Yep.  DS joined because KM quit, and DS was fired (after not only doing FII but also ACOS) and replaced with the guy everyone else wanted to replace KM in the first place.  Not really anything earth shattering.

Maiden is a different animal.  I didn't start listening to the band until after POM, so it never gave me pause, but if I'd been there from the beginning it might have seemed strange.

[IDontNotDoThings]

Top 10 DT songs by the percentage of the album they take up.

#1. Illumination Theory: 1337/4081 (32.8%)
#2. Octavarium: 1440/4544 (31.7%)
#3. The Count Of Tuscany: 1156/4525 (25.5%)
#4. A Nightmare To Remember: 970/4525 (21.4%)
#5. In The Presence Of Enemies - Part II: 998/4721 (21.1%)
#6. In The Name Of God: 856/4161 (20.6%)
#7. Learning To Live: 690/3424 (20.2%)
#8. The Ministry Of Lost Souls: 897/4721 (19.0%)
#9. The Best Of Times: 789/4525 (17.4%)
10. The Shattered Fortress: 769/4525 (17.0%)

[MirrorMask]

Nice! 

I bet if asked as in a quiz, not many would have thought of Illumination Theory as the "winner".

Curious how four songs in this top ten come from the same album, Black Clouds. Quite an unbalanced album....

[Setlist Scotty]

Top 10 DT songs by the percentage of the album they take up.

#1. Illumination Theory: 1337/4081 (32.8%)
#2. Octavarium: 1440/4544 (31.7%)
#3. The Count Of Tuscany: 1156/4525 (25.5%)
#4. A Nightmare To Remember: 970/4525 (21.4%)
#5. In The Presence Of Enemies - Part II: 998/4721 (21.1%)
#6. In The Name Of God: 856/4161 (20.6%)
#7. Learning To Live: 690/3424 (20.2%)
#8. The Ministry Of Lost Souls: 897/4721 (19.0%)
#9. The Best Of Times: 789/4525 (17.4%)
10. The Shattered Fortress: 769/4525 (17.0%)

Interesting facts, but there's a couple of mistakes, IMO. Where is the title track to SDoIT? From my calculations, that sucker is about 43.6% of the whole album. And ItPoE is 25:38 long - just because it's split into 2 parts on the album doesn't make it 2 separate songs, as is evident by the way they played it at almost every show on the Chaos in Motion tour and the way it's tracked on the live album. So including both parts of the song together, it appears to take up about 32.6% of the album. 

[IDontNotDoThings]

Top 10 DT songs by the percentage of the album they take up.

#1. Illumination Theory: 1337/4081 (32.8%)
#2. Octavarium: 1440/4544 (31.7%)
#3. The Count Of Tuscany: 1156/4525 (25.5%)
#4. A Nightmare To Remember: 970/4525 (21.4%)
#5. In The Presence Of Enemies - Part II: 998/4721 (21.1%)
#6. In The Name Of God: 856/4161 (20.6%)
#7. Learning To Live: 690/3424 (20.2%)
#8. The Ministry Of Lost Souls: 897/4721 (19.0%)
#9. The Best Of Times: 789/4525 (17.4%)
10. The Shattered Fortress: 769/4525 (17.0%)

Interesting facts, but there's a couple of mistakes, IMO. Where is the title track to SDoIT? From my calculations, that sucker is about 43.6% of the whole album. And ItPoE is 25:38 long - just because it's split into 2 parts on the album doesn't make it 2 separate songs, as is evident by the way they played it at almost every show on the Chaos in Motion tour and the way it's tracked on the live album. So including both parts of the song together, it appears to take up about 32.6% of the album. 

I did it by tracks, not necessarily "songs". As weird as it may be, I prefer to not consider subjective factors into statistics like these.

Plus, I've always listened to SDOIT as 8 songs & ITPOE as 2 songs anyway.

[Setlist Scotty]

I did it by tracks, not necessarily "songs".

Fair enough, altho you did specifically state at the beginning of your post:

Top 10 DT songs by the percentage of the album they take up.

 

As weird as it may be, I prefer to not consider subjective factors into statistics like these.

What subjective factors?

[Architeuthis]

This is just coincidental, but the band Overkill is releasing their new album Feb 22 too.   They've been around for over forty years. I saw them with Symphony X three years ago..

[Dedalus]

This is just coincidental, but the band Overkill is releasing their new album Feb 22 too.   They've been around for over forty years. I saw them with Symphony X three years ago..

Candlemass too 

[Architeuthis]

This is just coincidental, but the band Overkill is releasing their new album Feb 22 too.   They've been around for over forty years. I saw them with Symphony X three years ago..

Candlemass too 

One for each band!

[AboutToCrash]

DT12 and SDOIT are the only albums where the front cover doesn’t contain anything resembling a living being or intelligence..

WDADU - Human
IAW - Human, Bird
AWAKE - Humans & Spider
ACOS - Human
FII - Humans
SFAM - Humans
SDOIT - NOTHING
ToT - Birds & Human Eye
8VM - Birds
SC - Ants
BCASL - Human, Bird, Mouse & Elephant
ADTOE - Human
DT12 - NOTHING
TA - Nomacs
D/T - Robot & Human Skull

PS; it’s late and I’ve gone down a rabbit hole

[MirrorMask]

DT12 has our planet. ALL things living are symbolically portrayed there 

Also, if you zoom away from a very large distance, all that remains of DT12's cover is..... a pale blue dot! 

[gzarruk]

DT12 has our planet. ALL things living are symbolically portrayed there 

Also, if you zoom away from a very large distance, all that remains of DT12's cover is..... a pale blue dot! 

NUGGETZ

[BeatriceNB]

Falling Into Infinity and Dream Theater (self titled) are the only DT albums without 'one word titles' (like Paralyzed, Voices, Surrounded, etc.)

[Dedalus]

WDADU and DT12 are the only DT albums without their names on cover.

[AboutToCrash]

DT12 has our planet. ALL things living are symbolically portrayed there 

Also, if you zoom away from a very large distance, all that remains of DT12's cover is..... a pale blue dot! 

I don’t think I could’ve won either way with that cover, can be taken both ways  there’s a drawing of a woman on the back of SDOIT too and I’m waiting for someone to count that 

[Architeuthis]

There's also the woman on the Octavarium cover with long black hair. I thought it might of been John Myung at first glance.. 

[Dedalus]

There's also the woman on the Octavarium cover with long black hair. I thought it might of been John Myung at first glance.. 

 

[Stadler]

Each DT studio album released between 1994 and 1999 (Awake, FII and SFAM) had a different lineup from each other. Now it may not seem like a big deal, but I would've definitely worried back then if my favorite band changed members with every album cycle.

Then you're not a Yes or King Crimson fan. 

[Setlist Scotty]

WDADU and DT12 are the only DT albums without their names on cover.

For WDaDU, that may be true of the CD, but not of the vinyl:

[Dedalus]

Oh yes, I didn't remember the vinyl.