Official 2018-2019 NHL Thread - v. Free agents - frenzy and feast

[jingle.boy]

I don't have much issue with any of the rules.  They all serve as a deterrent to stop play.  The 'unintentional' part of dislodging the net ... oh well.  All 'puck-over-glass' penalties are unintentional, but that doesn't mean they don't go without consequence.  And the key point in that rule isn't the 'unintentional" part, it's the "if an official determines'.  Sounds like they're giving officials the ability to make a determination, not simply that it's an absolute (ie, defender dislodges the net therefore no line change).

Gonna be a fun next 10 days with all these RFAs.  Does anyone think there will be any offer sheet extensions.  Lots of rumours around the Marner side of things in that regard, but I don't know if anyone else is potentially the target of an offer sheet.

[SchecterShredder]

I don't expect any offer sheets. There's lots of talk around Marner, but I think that's just the TO media hyping it. I think it's more likely he ends up holding out like Nylander if the parties are indeed $2M apart in expectations.

I read a piece on sportsnet today that there's only been 1 offer sheet not matched in the last 20 years. I remember that day very well, because the media here in Edmonton (not to mention a lot of upset fans) were in a frenzy trying to figure out what the hell Kevin Lowe was thinking giving up 3 -1st rounders. The Leafs would make off like bandits with 4 1st rounders for Marner in an offer sheet situation, but that doesn't help them win during the 5 year Auston Matthews window.

[TAC]

I was just reading an article on Marner. I see he hit his career high in goals this year.

45?....nope.
40?....nope
35?....nope
30?....nope

He scored 26 goals! Twenty Six! And he played all 82 games.

ONE goal every three games and that costs $11m?

And I like him, but I was shocked at how few goals he actually scored this year.

[pg1067]

I don't have much issue with any of the rules.  They all serve as a deterrent to stop play.  The 'unintentional' part of dislodging the net ... oh well.  All 'puck-over-glass' penalties are unintentional, but that doesn't mean they don't go without consequence.  And the key point in that rule isn't the 'unintentional" part, it's the "if an official determines'.  Sounds like they're giving officials the ability to make a determination, not simply that it's an absolute (ie, defender dislodges the net therefore no line change).

My comment was that I don't really like the idea of "penalizing" a team for something that happens unintentionally.  That includes the puck-over-the-glass delay of game penalty.  Don't like that either.

Since a player dislodging the net always does it either intentionally or unintentionally, the officials have always had to make a determination regarding intent.  Granted, the consequence of unintentionally dislodging the net is relatively minor, but I still don't see the point of this rule.

[jingle.boy]

The (negotiating) position by Marner right now isn't around goals scored, it's around value to the team - and he's pegging Matthews as his "comparable".  Well, he's over-valuing himself in a big-big way, and he isn't the only one (Laine is supposedly asking for $10M+).  I hope these GMs knock them down a peg.  Lots and lots of rumours are flying around, but if Marner doesn't get any offer sheets, then his only leverage is holding out.  Dubas isn't even asking for a 'hometown' discount, and I do think he is willing to over-pay him.  He's just not (rightly so) willing to make him the 3rd $11M-man on the team.  Those economics don't work to build a team around.

At the $$ that Marner wants, I do think the Leafs may let him go for the four 1st rounders they'd get in return.  That, or (like O'Reilly) match and trade.  The problem with taking the 4 first rounders is that 2 are next years; 2 can be in 2021.  So, the team will have burned most of Matthews contract without the value of those assets.  So, match and trade makes more sense to build a team around Matthews (and Tavares) for immediate benefit, not benefit in 2022/23.

Marner would be crazy to leave.  The Leafs can put SOOOO much of his contract up front (wasn't Nylander's like $18M signing bonus, and he's getting $8.3M payment on July 1 - that's almost 1/2 his contract paid out in the first 8 months!).  Plus, the endorsement deals that he would get as a Leaf blow away what Florida or the Islanders could possibly offer.  Plus friends and family are all here.

I'm hopeful that a lot of the rumours are just media BS, and that he ultimately signs for the low 10s.  I think that's a landing point Dubas would be comfortable with.

[gmillerdrake]

This page felt like it was missing something......

[jingle.boy]

I so want to go and dig up your rage post from a couple years ago of you flipping off the entire fucking roster.

[King Postwhore]

 

[gmillerdrake]

I so want to go and dig up your rage post from a couple years ago of you flipping off the entire fucking roster.

I think those were from embedded pics on my old photbucket account....don't know if they'd still show up. I fully stand behind that sentiment at the time though 

[jingle.boy]

Yeah... I dug it up, and all those pics are toasted.  The thread is locked, so I can't even properly 'quote' it.  But, here ya go.

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=41864.msg1952641#msg1952641

[gmillerdrake]

Brings back memories. 

[jingle.boy]

No surprise that Hughes goes 1st overall.  He's a lock to be a superstar.  Kane-quality potential for sure.

[TAC]

No surprise that Hughes goes 1st overall.  He's a lock to be a superstar.  Kane-quality potential for sure.

Oh shit. Forgot this was on..

Kane?  I feel like he'll be closer to Gudreau. (sp?)


I'd be happy with Kakko though.

[jingle.boy]

No surprise that Hughes goes 1st overall.  He's a lock to be a superstar.  Kane-quality potential for sure.

Oh shit. Forgot this was on..

Kane?  I feel like he'll be closer to Gudreau. (sp?)

Jackie-Hockey  ??  Style-wise, you're probably right.  I just meant the likelihood that he'll be a Top5 or Top 3 player in the league for a big part of his prime years.

[TAC]

Top 3?? That's a tall order, as is Top 5. You think he's that good?

[TAC]

Love the reaction of the kid Detroit picked.



I think that kid could be a stud.

[jingle.boy]

Top 3?? That's a tall order, as is Top 5. You think he's that good?

Sure... in 5-ish years (when he's 23/24) who are gonna be the top players?  McDavid is a given.  Who's next?  Mathews, MacKinnon, Barkov, Petterson, Pastranak, Point, Johnny G, Eichel, Keller, Aho, Marner??  The league has always seen players peak years are 25-29.  Some of these have a ways to go to show they are / could be Top5.  Hughes dominated the USNP like no one else, including Matthews and Kane.

[TAC]

Yeah, maybe you're right.  I just feel like he's too small.

[jingle.boy]

Yeah, maybe you're right.  I just feel like he's too small.

Marner and Gaudreau don't seem to have a problem with that.

[TAC]

Yeah, I know.

I guess I get that from the Bruins refusing to pick anyone over 6'. 

(other than Brandon Carlo)




Oh, and Pierre Maguire...STFU!

[TAC]

Why is Quennville up there with the Panthers? Did I miss something?

[Snow Dog]

Oh, and Pierre Maguire...STFU!

I sometimes wonder what some iconic, classic hockey calls would have been like had McGuire been a part of them in those years.

Gary Thorne: “Gretzky had it, lost it... Yzerman pucks it up... Yzerman moving, blue line chance SCOOORE! DETROIT WINS!”

Pierre McGuire: “Yes they do, Gary! They win indeed! And it’s all because Stevie Y from Cranbrook, British Columbia goes top shelf over Jon Casey’s shoulder and hits the post with an absolute laser of a slap shot! What a release with Yzerman’s magical play, and the crowd loves it! Yzerman’s magical play...”

[Anguyen92]

Why is Quennville up there with the Panthers? Did I miss something?

I believe that's his next coaching gig after Blackhawks gave him the boot which I found it be a bit baffling given that the Blackhawks was .500 after 15 games when they announced it.  I would have loved it if the Kings was .500 after 15 games last season.  John Stevens got booted at the same time as well and Kings' record was way worst.

[TAC]

Would've liked Raphael Lavoie, but Beecher is a 6'3" Center. I'll take it. Thank God they drafted someone over 6'.

[KevShmev]

This page felt like it was missing something......

That picture cannot be posted enough. 

[King Postwhore]

Um, yes it can.  Lol

[jingle.boy]

Why is Quennville up there with the Panthers? Did I miss something?

Apparently you were so nervous about playing the Leafs in Rd 1, you missed the news.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/panthers-hire-joel-quenneville-next-head-coach/

You heard it hear first, Florida teams finish 1-2 in the Atlantic next year.

[KevShmev]

Bold prediction.

I am interested to see how those paper champions, otherwise known as the Tampa Bay Lightning, bounce back after the epic gag job they did in the 1st round this year.  I am sure they will have a great regular season again - they have too much talent not to - but will they man up in the postseason the next time around?

[TAC]

That seems more like a question than a prediction.

Are you still working on your bold prediction?

[KevShmev]

The "bold prediction" was in response to Chad's post above mine.

[gmillerdrake]

My bold prediction is the Blues win another cup within O’Reily’s current contract he has (4) more years with us. We have a few of the core players locked in for that time. I think they can get another one. It’s time to get greedy.

[gmillerdrake]

Subban trades to New Jersey.....details of trade still unknown but it’s done.

Wow! So glad won’t have to see him play that much anymore. Not because he’s good but because of ‘how’ he plays.

[KevShmev]

Subban trades to New Jersey.....details of trade still unknown but it’s done.

Wow! So glad won’t have to see him play that much anymore. Not because he’s good but because of ‘how’ he plays.

I had read a rumor that some of his teammates were getting tired of his act, similar to what happened with him in Montreal, so I am not surprised by this.

My bold prediction is the Blues win another cup within O’Reily’s current contract bye has (4) more years with us. We have a few of the core players locked in for that time. I think they can get another one. It’s time to get greedy.

I like it.

[SchecterShredder]

Subban is still elite,  so im sure Jersey will tolerate his antics. They'll certainly be an improved team next season just from the moves the last 24 hours. And if the TSN report is correct,  NJ gave up peanuts to get subban.

[TAC]

Subban trades to New Jersey.....details of trade still unknown but it’s done.

Wow! So glad won’t have to see him play that much anymore. Not because he’s good but because of ‘how’ he plays.

Kind of like how you post in hockey threads.