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Lethean's Laid Back Roulette (Round 2 Results)
« on: July 01, 2018, 12:27:07 PM »
Hi everyone. This is my first roulette, so we'll see how it goes.  I called it laid back not because I won't hound you for submissions if you are late :), but because of the lack of themes or eliminations, and also my comments on the submissions will probably be more laid back than a lot of what I've read.  Usually something resonates with me or it doesn't and I don't have a list of reasons that question the band's artistic choices to explain why.  I will try to give the best feedback I can, and liking/disliking the vocals will be part of it because that's an easy one.  :)  I'm not a musician and I usually don't care about "production," "the mix," "loudness wars," or things like that.  It'll be, do I like the vocals, do I like the melodies, is there a cool little part here that makes me want to hear it again, am I moved by it, do I find it a chore and can't wait until it is over, does the constant double bass drumming make me want to throw myself from a cliff, etc.

In the roulette thread, I joked that I was going to call it Lethean's Sad Music Roulette, but you don't have to send sad music.  Some of my favorites (especially Katatonia, Leprous, Riverside) have been described as on the sad, dark, depressing side, but listening to them makes me happy, whereas often, music that is described as "happy" makes me irritated.  I love Angra though, and they are on the happier side, so it all depends.

My tastes:

Mostly in the metal arena but I like other music as well.  You're welcome to send whatever you want, but I would really prefer you to avoid country, rap, and hip hop.  I used to exchange music with dorm mates and heard enough to know that at best - it just doesn't move me, and it worst, it grates on me.  Also - the way Kattelox described some of the music in his roulette made me want to throw up. :)  Sugary, flowery, sweet, etc.  I'm not sure if I'd actually dislike the music because it might not sound that way to me, so there's that. :)  For example, I love Anathema, so if he would describe Anathema that way, it might be fine.  (I definitely wouldn't, however).  They're on the lighter side of what I listen to but there's an intensity to them that I like.

Prog metal is my most listened to genre, I like some prog rock but find a lot of it uninteresting to me, I like a fair amount of power metal but also dislike a lot of it, I like Iron Maiden and Dio but a lot of bands that are compared to them miss the mark for me.  It's hard to say why I like one band but not another.  I really dislike harsh vocals - Kattelox might be surprised since I sent him an album with harsh vocals during his roulette (Solefald), but it's a very rare exception rather than the rule.  I really hate the more guttural death metal vocals and even Opeth, who everyone else who doesn't like harsh vocals likes, falls into that category.  I am more likely to tolerate vocals like those in Solefald or Borknagar (and those bands also have clean vocals too).  I've also been told that I don't like music that is too blues based in case that helps anyone. 


Rules:
8 rounds, no themes, no eliminations.  If everyone sends me 20 minute songs in the first round I might impose a time limit, but for now I'll leave it open.  Once an artist is sent, that artist is banned for the rest of the roulette.  I'll take duplicate submissions in the same round.  I'm stealing an idea from Elite by scoring the songs in each round against each other.  So 1 will be my favorite song of the round, 2 is the 2nd favorite, etc.  I reserve the right to have ties if I can't decide between 2 songs. Whoever ends up with the lowest score at the end of round 8 wins. 
Also, to discourage people from sending me music that I'm likely to hate (Stadler), here's an incentive for the top 3 scores:

3rd place - choose an album for me to listen to; the album has to contain a song you sent me that I liked
2nd place - choose 2 albums for me to listen to - one has to contain a song you sent me that I liked, and the other has to contain a song you sent me, whether I liked it or not
1st place - choose 3 albums for me to listen to; same rules as 2nd place for 2 of the albums, and for the 3rd album it doesn't have to be from the roulette.  Rap and country are banned from this, however, unless you sent me something in the roulette that I actually liked.

Now - I won't listen to these albums right away (will want some time to focus on ProgPower USA bands), but I will listen to them and will post my thoughts before the next DT album is released at the latest. :)

Edit:
How to submit - youtube would be great, send me a link to a file if your song isn't on youtube.  I don't use Spotify or other such services.  (Sorry for any inconvenience).

(participants and banned list in next posts).
« Last Edit: July 15, 2018, 09:32:55 AM by Lethean »

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Re: Lethean's Laid Back Roulettte
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2018, 12:27:25 PM »
Participants:

There will be 8-10 participants, and I'd everyone to submit the first round by Friday (07-06) - if can send on Thursday, great.  I'm going to try to do round 1 somewhat quickly and have the results by Tuesday, then get on a normal Monday submission schedule after that.   

There are reserved spots for those who said they would like to participate in the roulette thread - please confirm your participation or let me know if you'd rather sit this one out:

1. Kattelox
2. Stadler
3. Puppies on Acid
4. Parama
5. Sacul
6. Jingle Boy
7. TAC
8. Evermind
9. Train of Naught
10. Elite
« Last Edit: July 04, 2018, 07:53:17 AM by Lethean »

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Re: Lethean's Laid Back Roulettte
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2018, 12:27:37 PM »
Banned List:

Bands in green are my most played.  Anything with an x means I only have 1 album by that band.  Anything with a d is something that I have heard and either deleted the mp3s ordecided I didn't like it after playing on youtube.  So if you want, you can try to send me something from a band with an x or d and if I haven't heard it already, I'll give it a listen.  If I have heard it, I'll let you know you have to pick something else.  I'd probably recommend staying away from the deleted bands because usually I delete them for a reason, like "hated the vocals" or "meh" etc, but sometimes I just gave them a very cursory listen and moved on to save time, so it's up to you if you want to try.


3 x
66Crusher d
A Pale Horse d
A Perfect Circle x
Abnormal Thought Patterns x
Abydos
Accept d
Adagio
Adrenaline Mob d
Aerosmith d
Affector d
Agalloch x
Age of Silence x
Alcest x
Alex Beyrodt's Voodoo Circle d
Alice in Chains
Almah
Alternative 4 d
Amoral d
Amorphis d
Anathema
Andre Matos
Andromeda
Angel Dust
Angra
Anthrax
Anubis Gate d
Arch-Matheos x
Arcturus
Arjen Lucassen d
Armored Saint
Ashent x
Aspera d
Astra (metal band from Italy)
Astra (not a metal band from Italy) d
Astral Doors d
At Vance d
Audioslave x
Avalon x
Avantasia
Avian
Ayreon
Bad Salad d
Balance of Power
Barren Earth d
Believe
Below d
Benedictum d
Beyond the Labyrinth d
Big Wreck d
Binary Creed x
Biomechanical d
Bittencourt Project x
Black Sabbath x
Black Sabbath d
Blaze
Blind Guardian
Borknagar
Brainstorm d
Brant Bjork d
Brothers of Metal d
Cage d
Cain's Offering d
Caligula's Horse x
Candlebox
Chaoswave d
Charlie Dominici d
Charon x
Charred Walls of the Damned d
Chickenfoot d
Circle II Circle d
Circus Maximus
Cloudscape
Coheed and Cambria
Collective Soul
Communic
Conception
Creation's End d
Crimson Glory x
Crimson Glory d
Cronian x
Cynthesis
Darkthrone d
Darkwater
Dawnbringer d
Daydream XI
Deep Purple x
Degree Absolute d
Demons and Wizards x
Depeche Mode d
DGM
Diablo Swing Orchestra d
Dianoya x
Dickinson, Bruce
Dimension Act d
Dio
Disperse
Distorted Harmony
Disturbed d
Divided Multitude d
Dokken d
Donahue, Tim x
Dordeduh d
Dream Theater
Dreamscape
Dynazty d
Earthside x
Eden's Curse d
Edguy
Eidolon
Eldritch
Elegy
Empty Tremor d
Enchant
Eniac Requiem x
Enslaved d
Evergrey
Excalion d
Explosions in the Sky
Eyefear x
Eyefear d
Fair to Midland d
Fairyland d
Falkenbach d
Fates Warning
Fifth Angel d
Firewind d
Flying Colors
Forgotten Suns d
Fozzy d
Fracture x
Frameshift
Freak Kitchen d
Further Dimension d
Futures End d
Gamma Ray d
Genius d
Ghost Brigade d
Godsmack d
Grand Magus d
Graveyard d
Green Carnation
Guilt Machine x
Guilt Machine (Arjen Lucassen) d
Guns 'N Roses
Haken
Halcyon Way d
Halford
Hangar
Harmony x
Head Control System x
Headspace x
Heaven and Hell d
Helker x
Hell in the Club d
Helloween
Hemina d
Hourglass d
Ice Age x
Iced Earth
ICS Vortex x
Ihsahn
Illusion Suite d
Imagika d
In the Silence x
Intervals x
Iron Fire d
Iron Maiden
Jackal d
Jacob's Dream d
Jeff Loomis d
Jerry Cantrell d
Jolly
Judas Priest
Juvaliant d
Kamelot
Karnivool
Katatonia
Keldian x
Killing Touch x
King Crimson d
King Diamond
King Misfit d
King, Lance d
Kingcrow
King's X
Kiss d
Kiuas d
Kotipelto x
LaBrie, James
Labyrinth
Lake of Tears d
Lalu x
Lamented Souls x
Lanfear d
Lee, Geddy x
Leonardo x
Lepond, Mike x
Leprous
Lince
Lione-Conti x
Liquid Tension Experiment
Live x
Lords of Black d
Loureiro, Kiko
Lunatic Soul
Madsword x
Malmsteen, Yngwie
Malpractice d
Marillion x
Marillion d
Maudlin of the Well d
Max Pie d
Megadeth
Meisel, Hubi
Mekong Delta d
Melechesh d
Mercury Tide d
Metallica d
Michael Kiske d
Michele Luppi d
Mindfeed
Mindflow
Mindwarp Chamber x
Mirrormaze d
Moonspell d
Motorhead x
Mundanus Imperium d
My Soliloquy
Myrath
Mystic Prophecy d
Need
Neil Morse d
Neurosis d
Nevermore
Nightingale d
Nirvana
Noctis d
Nocturnal Rites x
November's Doom d
Oceans of Sadness d
Oceans of Time d
Oddland d
Opeth
Orden Ogan d
Order of Nine d
Organized Chaos d
Orphaned Land d
OSI d
Overkill d
Pagan's Mind
Pain d
Pain d
Pain of Salvation d
Pantommind d
Paradox d
Parkway Drive d
Pathosray
Pearl Jam
Pendragon d
Periphery d
Persephone d
Petrucci, John x
Pharaoh d
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree d
Power Quest d
Powerworld x
Pretty Maids d
Project Arcadia x
Project Hate d
Prototype d
Prymary d
Pyramaze
Queensryche
Rage d
Rainbow
Ratt d
Red Circuit
Redemption
REM
Resonance Room x
Reversion d
Revolution Renaissance d
Riverside
Romeo, Michael x
Root d
Royal Hunt d
Running Wild d
Rush
Sabaton d
Sacred Mother Tongue d
Sacred Oath d
Saint Deamon d
Sanctuary d
Sargant Fury
Satriani, Joe d
Savatage
Secret Sphere
Section A d
Serenity
Serious Black x
Seven Witches x
Seventh Wonder
Shadow Gallery
Shadow Theory (The) x
Shadrane x
Shaman
Shaolin Death Squad x
Sherinian, Derek
Shining d
Sieges Even
Silent Force x
Silent Force d
Silentium d
Slough Feg d
Soen
Soilwork d
Solefald
Sonata Arctica
Sons of Apollo d
Sons of Seasons d
Soto x
Souljourners d
Soulspell d
Sound of Contact x
Soundgarden
Southern Cross d
Speaking to Stones d
Spheric Universe Experience
Spidergawd d
Spirits of the Dead d
Spiritual Beggars d
Spock's Beard x
Star One
Steven Wilson d
Sting
Stone Temple Pilots
Stratovarius
Stride x
Subsignal
Sun Caged
Superior
Suspyre d
Switchblade Rosie d
Sybreed d
Symfonia d
Symphony X
Tad Morose
Tarot d
Tate, Geoff x
Temple of the Dog x
Terra Prima d
TesseracT
The Gentle Storm d
The Human Abstract d
The Intersphere d
The Mars Volta
The Omega Experiment d
The Pineapple Thief x
The Police
The Third Eye d
The Winery Dogs d
Therion d
Thought Chamber x
Threshold
Thyrfing d
Tiles
Tim Ripper Owens d
Time Requiem x
Tomorrow's Eve d
Tool
Townsend, Devin
Trail of Murder d
Transatlantic d
Trans-Siberian Orchestra
Triosphere
Twilight Guardians d
Twilightning d
Twinspirits d
Tyr d
Uada d
UFO d
Ulver x
Unexpect x
Unisonic d
Van Canto d
Van Halen
Van Helsing's Curse d
Vanden Plas
Vangough d
Vanishing Point
Viljanen, Elias x
Vintersorg d
Vision Divine
Votum
Voyager
Warrell Dane x
Wastefall d
Waterclime x
While Heaven Wept
White Zombie x
Wilson, Steven
Winds
Winterborn x
Wisdom of Crowds x
Witchcraft d
Withem d
Wolverine
Woods of Ypres d
Xystus d
Yargos
Zephaniah d
Zero Hour
Anything with Jorn Lande - Jorn Lande is to Lethean as Chris Cornell is to Kattelox
Whitesnake or Anything with David Coverdale (see above)

Banned during this roulette:

Agalloch
Amadeus Awad
Deep Purple
Dissona
Oceansize
Perihelion Ship
Port Noir
Portishead
Soul Secret
Witherfall
Dark Empire
Led Zeppelin
Mew
Nine Inch Nails
Pyramid Theorem
Rishloo
Thy Catafalque
Toto
UFO
Ulver
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Re: Lethean's Laid Back Roulettte
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2018, 12:32:42 PM »
In! If you'll have me :)
shut up train. go listen to your bad hypno5e albums
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Re: Lethean's Laid Back Roulettte
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2018, 12:33:25 PM »
In! If you'll have me :)

laid-back sounds very suited to me!
Hey dude slow the fuck down so we can finish together at the same time.  :biggrin:
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2018, 12:36:57 PM »
in it to lose it
i have a lot of growly mcgrowlson bands but i'll try to find less growly stuff for you  :corn

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2018, 12:41:08 PM »
In! If you'll have me :)

laid-back sounds very suited to me!

I've added you both. :)

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Re: Lethean's Laid Back Roulettte
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2018, 12:44:44 PM »
I'm in :metal

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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2018, 12:48:21 PM »
Quote
Also - the way Kattelox described some of the music in his roulette made me want to throw up.

Get ready to vom, because I am going to drown you in power metal  :lol

Really looking forward to this and I have some great ideas to send and if anyone steals them, I will find you. :censored  :lol

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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2018, 12:48:45 PM »
If someone doesn't confirm, I'll take their spot.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums................or WTF.  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2018, 12:50:22 PM »
No, Lethean just needs to accept more people anyway :biggrin:
Hey dude slow the fuck down so we can finish together at the same time.  :biggrin:
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2018, 01:09:26 PM »
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Also - the way Kattelox described some of the music in his roulette made me want to throw up.

Get ready to vom, because I am going to drown you in power metal  :lol

I don't think it was actually power metal you were talking about, but I didn't listen to the other stuff in case people wanted to reuse submissions. 

Stadler - I'm definitely expecting you to send me some older prog. I love Rush, but when I've heard from Yes and others never made me want to keep going, but I also know that there is a lot that I haven't heard.

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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2018, 01:15:09 PM »
To be honest, the more I see power metal fans talk, the more I realize I hate power metal, so you're probably not actually going to get a lot. Maybe 2-3 artists I'm super passionate about.  I'm plotting my half-assed map through this roulette now.  :biggrin:

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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2018, 01:34:32 PM »
I called it laid back not because I won't hound you for submissions if you are late :),

Nice. That sounds great...

I'm in :metal

...in theory.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
Winger Theater Forums................or WTF.  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2018, 01:35:36 PM »
Confirming that I am in!
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2018, 02:02:43 PM »
Rhapsody d

Nice try... they're still coming.  :lol

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2018, 02:17:16 PM »
Rhapsody d

Nice try... they're still coming.  :lol
He didn't specify Rhapsody of Fire or Luca Turilli's Rhapsody  :biggrin:

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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2018, 02:19:38 PM »
Rhapsody d

Nice try... they're still coming.  :lol

You know I didn't even realize that was there.  When I get back home I'll see which album it is.

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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2018, 02:22:17 PM »
Rhapsody d

Nice try... they're still coming.  :lol
He didn't specify Rhapsody of Fire or Luca Turilli's Rhapsody  :biggrin:

Both are inevitable.  :biggrin:

Yeah Lethean, I'm very curious to know which it is.

EDIT: Sent mine! Hope it's a winner.
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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2018, 02:36:02 PM »
Already sent for round 1  :corn

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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2018, 07:34:15 PM »
In like Flynn.

Gonna have to go scrounging around for the right stuff.
Can you imagine some alien race comes to a large nebula they've never seen before, and it just turns out it's the Federation's dumping ground for space-smile?
And TAC can suck it  :biggrin:, this is heavy in all the right places.  :tup

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2018, 07:35:07 PM »
Anything with Jorn Lande - Jorn Lande is to Lethean as Chris Cornell is to Kattelox

Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
Can you imagine some alien race comes to a large nebula they've never seen before, and it just turns out it's the Federation's dumping ground for space-smile?
And TAC can suck it  :biggrin:, this is heavy in all the right places.  :tup

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2018, 07:40:05 PM »
Anything with Jorn Lande - Jorn Lande is to Lethean as Chris Cornell is to Kattelox

Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?

Wow I didn't even catch this until you quoted it, Chad - shame as I was debating several Jorn solo tracks to send. I LOVE Jorn's body of work so that's sad to hear Lethean isn't a fan.

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« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2018, 07:45:33 PM »
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2018, 07:47:04 PM »
Also, what do artists with a "b" (Avantasia) mean?

Also, I don't think I've ever seen Prototype or Superior mentioned at DTF.   :tup
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Can you imagine some alien race comes to a large nebula they've never seen before, and it just turns out it's the Federation's dumping ground for space-smile?
And TAC can suck it  :biggrin:, this is heavy in all the right places.  :tup

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« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2018, 08:30:07 PM »
Hang on, let me roll up on the sidewalk and take a look!     Demi Lovato, Taylor Swift, Keith Urban... check!  I'm in!     

Haha, seriously, I'm in.   I'll probably send tomorrow, I want to think about it a bit.

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« Reply #26 on: July 01, 2018, 08:52:43 PM »
Also, what do artists with a "b" (Avantasia) mean?

Also, I don't think I've ever seen Prototype or Superior mentioned at DTF.   :tup

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« Reply #27 on: July 01, 2018, 09:31:57 PM »
Also, what do artists with a "b" (Avantasia) mean?

Also, I don't think I've ever seen Prototype or Superior mentioned at DTF.   :tup


Sorry - Avantasia is just plain banned; I removed the "b."  Superior - love Behind and Ultima Ratio.  Prototype - according to my notes, I didn't like the vocals, but I really don't remember anything about them.

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« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2018, 09:32:53 PM »
Anything with Jorn Lande - Jorn Lande is to Lethean as Chris Cornell is to Kattelox

Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
Definitely a bad thing.  Jorn is just one of those singers that sure, I recognize he's good, but I don't like him.

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« Reply #29 on: July 01, 2018, 09:37:08 PM »
Rhapsody d

Nice try... they're still coming.  :lol

You know I didn't even realize that was there.  When I get back home I'll see which album it is.

I removed Rhapsody; it was Triumph or Agony but I never listened to it; I just had it on my hard drive and it got removed during a purge after I'd seen them live (Fabio version) and wasn't into it.  So, whatever they played when Voyager opened for them I wasn't really into, if that helps at all.  Also, I didn't like the Luca Turilli version either when I saw them at ProgPower, but I did comment on how good the singer was.  There was nothing objectionable about either show, and it's certainly possible that I wasn't in the right frame of mind not being familiar with their music at all.

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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2018, 09:44:50 PM »
Rad.  :corn

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« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2018, 10:39:00 PM »
So this is full already, right? Guess I'll just spectate then.

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« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2018, 08:26:59 AM »
I'll be sending mine shortly.  Oooh, I'm so pumped.    And no, I'm not going to make a mockery of this and just try to get Lethean to poke his ears out with a fork.   But I might try to go with some of the "x"'s and "d"'s to share deeper tracks that he might not have heard, or that might be a step apart from the stuff already likely heard.     All in good faith, of course, and all in good fun.  Thankfully, my 401(k) is not tied to my performance in these roulettes, but I love playing in them and know if I go too far off the reservation, I'm not going to be invited back.  That's the driver for me. 


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« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2018, 09:17:27 AM »
I'll be sending mine shortly.  Oooh, I'm so pumped.    And no, I'm not going to make a mockery of this and just try to get Lethean to poke his ears out with a fork.   But I might try to go with some of the "x"'s and "d"'s to share deeper tracks that he might not have heard, or that might be a step apart from the stuff already likely heard.     All in good faith, of course, and all in good fun.  Thankfully, my 401(k) is not tied to my performance in these roulettes, but I love playing in them and know if I go too far off the reservation, I'm not going to be invited back.  That's the driver for me.

I'll probably be joining you for a few rounds in sending older stuff. The more I think about this the more I'm entertaining the idea of sending mostly non-metal songs :)

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Re: Lethean's Laid Back Roulette
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2018, 09:26:37 AM »
So this is full already, right? Guess I'll just spectate then.
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