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Offline erwinrafael

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Convert the DT albums to EPs
« on: September 09, 2018, 07:44:50 PM »
Since it is still a slow time for DT news, let's play a (pointless) game. Make an EP out of each DT full studio album! Why? For no reason at all.

For the definition of EP, we'll use the UK standard:

Maximum of four songs

and

Does not exceed 25 minutes

Game!

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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2018, 08:49:48 PM »
Pull Me Under - 8:14
Another Day 4:23
Metropolis Part I: The Miracle and the Sleeper - 9:32
Wait For Sleep - 2:31
Total - 24:40

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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2018, 09:22:20 PM »
Octavarium -24 mins.

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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2018, 10:08:38 PM »
WDADU -

A Fortune in Lies
Ytse Jam
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
The Killing Hand

IAW -

Pull Me Under
Take the Time
Under a Glass Moon
Learning to Live

Awake -

Caught in a Web
The Mirror (full version)
Lifting Shadows Off a Dream
Scarred

FII -

New Millenium
Peruvian Skies
Take Away My Pain
Trial of Tears

SFAM -

Fatal Tragedy
Beyond This Life
The Dance of Eternity
The Spirit Carries On

SDOIT - (this one sucks because you canít really include the title track without defeating the purpose)

The Glass Prison
Blind Faith
Misunderstood (single edit)
Disappear

ToT -

As I Am
Honor Thy Father
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness

8V -

The Root of All Evil
These Walls
I Walk Beside You
Octavarium

SC - (UGH...difficult to find 4 songs on this album I actually would want to hear!)

Forsaken
Constant Motion
The Dark Eternal Night
The Ministry of Lost Souls

BCSL -

A Nightmare to Remember
Wither
The Shattered Fortress
The Count of Tuscany

ADTOE -

Bridges in the Sky
Outcry
Breaking All Illusions
Beneath the Surface

DT12 -

The Enemy Inside
The Bigger Picture
Behind the Veil
Illumination Theory

TA -

The Gift of Music
Three Days
A Life Left Behind
Our New World



EDIT - CRAP....I didnít read the 25 min rule.  Sorry.   Maybe Iíll redo it later.
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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2018, 11:47:57 PM »
EDIT - CRAP....I didnít read the 25 min rule.  Sorry.   Maybe Iíll redo it later.

There were only two rules  :loser:

Yes that 25 minute mark makes this really hard.
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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2018, 09:15:24 AM »
When Dream and Day Unite

A Fortune In Lies
Status Seeker
Afterlife
The Killing Hand


Images and Words

Pull Me Under
Surrounded
Metropolis Pt.1


Awake

The Mirror
Lie
Scarred

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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2018, 03:30:26 PM »
Here are my selections, I stuck with the 25 minute mark but TA has more than 4 songs.  Some are good representations of the albums, others are missing a song or two like TOT or Awake.  The double/concept albums are just impossible, with having to cut too much out.

WDADU - 22 minutes
Ytsejam
The Killing Hand
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun

IAW - 24 minutes
Pull Me Under
Metropolis, Pt 1
Under a Glass Moon

Awake - 23 minutes
Erotomania
Voices
The Mirror

FII - 23 minutes
Peruvian Skies
Hell's Kitchen
Lines in the Sand

SFAM - 22 minutes
Overture 1928
Home
The Dance of Eternity

Six Degrees - 24 minutes
Overture
War Inside My Head
The Test That Stumped Them All
About to Crash (Reprise)
Loosing Time/Grand Finale

TOT - 22 minutes
Endless Sacrifice
Stream of Consciousness

Octavarium - 24 minutes
Octavarium

SC - 25 minutes
In the Presence of Enemies

BC&SL - 24 minutes
A Nightmare to Remember
A Rite of Passage

ADTOE -23 minutes
Bridges in the Sky
Breaking All Illusions

DT - 22 minutes
Illumination Theory

TA - 24 minutes
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
2285 Entracte
Moment of Betrayal
Heaven's Cove
The Walking Shadow

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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2018, 05:09:31 PM »
The four song limit is no issue, but the 25:00 limit is, and I'd be curious to know where this "UK standard" comes from.

WDaDU (21:02)
Ytse Jam
The Killing Hand
Only a Matter of Time

I&W (23:33)
Metropolis
Wait for Sleep
Learning to Live

Awake (24:39)
Voices
The Silent Man
Scarred

ACoS already is an EP....

FII (16:00)
Hollow Years
Hell's Kitchen
Anna Lee

SFAM (25:00)
Fatal Tragedy
Home (with 0:55 of canoodling cut off the beginning and/or middle of Home so that I can use Fatal Tragedy instead of Strange Deja Vu)
Dance of Eternity

6DoIT (22:23)
Blind Faith
About to Crash
War Inside My Head
About to Crash (Reprise)

ToT (with each song fading out 16 seconds early to meet the 25:00 limit)
Stream of Consciousness
In the name of God

8VA (24:00)
8VA

SC (21:23)
Forsaken
Constant Motion
The Dark Eternal Night

BS&SL (24:41)
Wither
The Count of Tuscany

ADToE (23:49)
Outcry
Breaking All Illusions

DT12 (24:10)
The Looking Glass
Illumination Theory (without the silence and "hidden track")
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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2018, 01:40:40 AM »
The four song limit is no issue, but the 25:00 limit is, and I'd be curious to know where this "UK standard" comes from.

I took it as a derived defition here:

http://www.officialcharts.com/media/654984/official-uk-album-chart-rules-july-2018.pdf

Page 3:

Quote
3.0 Albums Definitions Summary

a. Physical Albums

LP/CD/DVD/HD DVD/BLU RAY/MD/SACD/Dualdisc/CD/DVD Sets/ Standard DMD

Over 25 minutes OR more than four songs where the format does
not qualify as a ďMaxiĒ single or remix single as defined by
singles eligibility rules. 

So I derived the definition of an EP by considering what would not qualify as an LP album.

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2018, 05:51:04 AM »
I just picked my favorite songs from each - that would fit.  I'm wondering now if the objective could have been to take this shorter format in order to represent the album as a whole.  It would be like the EP gives you all the different "flavors" of the full album without the length, like a promo.  My picks would be completely different.

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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2018, 09:40:53 AM »
Octavarium:
Octavarium

Black Clouds And Silver Linings:
The Count Of Tuscany

Dream Theater:
Illumination Theory

:hat

Okay, fooling around aside...

When Dream And Day Unite:
Afterlife
YtseJam
The Killing Hand

Awake:
Erotomania
Voices
The Silent Man

Falling Into Infinity:
Burning My Soul
Hell's Kitchen
Lines In The Sand

Scenes From A Memory:
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy
Beyond This Life

Systematic Chaos:
Constant Motion
Forsaken
Repentance

The Astonishing:
Dystopian Overture
The Gift Of Music
Lord Nafaryus
Three Days

This was quite fun. I only did this for the albums where I thought I could do a somewhat interesting lineup. There's not a single DT album I don't like, and honestly there's very few I could imagine cutting down at all(It's more of a trade-off, but I'd have preferred Falling Into Infinity to have dropped New Millennium and You Not Me/You Or Me and kept Raise The Knife. Only other album I'd change would be to make Images And Words longer; put Don't Look Past Me and To Live Forever on it :biggrin:), but just choosing three or four songs off each of these albums that flow nicely and create a cool little sampler is a fun little thing. :)

One little thing for just some slightly silly additional fun...

Cleaning Out The Closet:
Raise The Knife
Eve
To Live Forever
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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2018, 10:10:15 AM »
A Change of Seasons
1. A Change of Seasons - 23:09

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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2018, 10:14:45 AM »
A Change of Seasons
1. A Change of Seasons - 23:09

:neverusethis:

Converting an EP to an EP? :lol
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2018, 02:56:53 PM »
A Change of Seasons
1. A Change of Seasons - 23:09

:neverusethis:

Converting an EP to an EP? :lol
But what if we do it in reverse? ;)

A Change Of Seasons: (50:57)
Raise The Knife
Don't Look Past Me
To Live Forever
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A Change Of Seasons
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2018, 05:29:34 PM »
A Change of Seasons
1. A Change of Seasons - 23:09

:neverusethis:

Converting an EP to an EP? :lol
But what if we do it in reverse? ;)

A Change Of Seasons: (50:57)
Raise The Knife
Don't Look Past Me
To Live Forever
Eve
A Change Of Seasons

In fairness, at 57:30, ACoS was longer than most albums released in 1995 and was longer than WDaDU and I&W.  It was an "EP" in name only.
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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2018, 07:03:49 PM »
I just picked my favorite songs from each - that would fit.  I'm wondering now if the objective could have been to take this shorter format in order to represent the album as a whole.  It would be like the EP gives you all the different "flavors" of the full album without the length, like a promo.  My picks would be completely different.

When I started this thread, I was constructing a manageable DT playlist that would make for good listening in the office and would represent their career over the years. It's my leadup to the new album. :p So I thought breaking it up into manageable chunks of EP length would be a good way of going about it. I managed to make a 5 hour 2o minute playlist, which is good for office listening. :D

So my list

A Fortune In Lies
Status Seeker
Afterlife
The Killing Hand

Pull Me Under
Surrounded
Metropolis Pt. 1

The Mirror
Lie
Scarred

A Change of Seasons

Peruvian Skies
Hell's Kitchen
Trial of Tears

Overture 1928
Strange DejaVu
Through My Words
Fatal Tragedy

The Glass Prison
Blind Faith

As I Am
Vacant
Stream of Consciousness

Octavarium

Constant Motion
In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 2

Wither
The Count of Tuscany

Bridges in the Sky
Breaking All Illusions

The Bigger Picture
Behind The Veil
Surrender to Reason

The Gift of Music
Ravenskill
The Path That Divides
Our New World

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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2018, 08:19:34 PM »
A Change of Seasons
1. A Change of Seasons - 23:09

:neverusethis:

Converting an EP to an EP? :lol
But what if we do it in reverse? ;)

A Change Of Seasons: (50:57)
Raise The Knife
Don't Look Past Me
To Live Forever
Eve
A Change Of Seasons

In fairness, at 57:30, ACoS was longer than most albums released in 1995 and was longer than WDaDU and I&W.  It was an "EP" in name only.
Yeah, but the contents that took it over the 23-minute length of the title track was the cover material from the Uncovered show... Really, they were kind of bonus tracks. So... It really was an EP, in spirit at least.
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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2018, 09:35:16 PM »
A Change of Seasons
1. A Change of Seasons - 23:09

:neverusethis:

Converting an EP to an EP? :lol
But what if we do it in reverse? ;)

A Change Of Seasons: (50:57)
Raise The Knife
Don't Look Past Me
To Live Forever
Eve
A Change Of Seasons

In fairness, at 57:30, ACoS was longer than most albums released in 1995 and was longer than WDaDU and I&W.  It was an "EP" in name only.
Yeah, but the contents that took it over the 23-minute length of the title track was the cover material from the Uncovered show... Really, they were kind of bonus tracks. So... It really was an EP, in spirit at least.

I agree, the covers are just a bonus for it. The only original song/new material is ACOS, and that's why it's a 23 minute EP :biggrin:
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2018, 10:09:20 AM »
A Change of Seasons
1. A Change of Seasons - 23:09

:neverusethis:

Converting an EP to an EP? :lol
But what if we do it in reverse? ;)

A Change Of Seasons: (50:57)
Raise The Knife
Don't Look Past Me
To Live Forever
Eve
A Change Of Seasons

In fairness, at 57:30, ACoS was longer than most albums released in 1995 and was longer than WDaDU and I&W.  It was an "EP" in name only.
Yeah, but the contents that took it over the 23-minute length of the title track was the cover material from the Uncovered show... Really, they were kind of bonus tracks. So... It really was an EP, in spirit at least.

I agree, the covers are just a bonus for it. The only original song/new material is ACOS, and that's why it's a 23 minute EP :biggrin:

I hear ya and don't really care if they call it an "album" or an "EP" or a "banana."  If, however, you want to take the song ACoS and add material to make a fully studio album, I certainly wouldn't use scrap heap material (or a song written exclusively by a guy who was no longer in the band).
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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2018, 06:27:46 PM »
A Change of Seasons
1. A Change of Seasons - 23:09

:neverusethis:

Converting an EP to an EP? :lol
But what if we do it in reverse? ;)

A Change Of Seasons: (50:57)
Raise The Knife
Don't Look Past Me
To Live Forever
Eve
A Change Of Seasons

Actually, I never thought of it until now, but they could have released an "album" in 1995, instead of the EP, exactly with those songs, except for RtK which was made afterwards... and maybe adding another one (like Another Won, lol) or more than one other song from the Majesty era.. Something like:

1- Another Won
2- Don't Look Past Me
3- March of the Tyrant
4- Eve
5- Cry for Freedom
6- To Live Forever
7- A Change of Seasons

(estimated time: 55 minutes, just like the actual released EP)
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2018, 06:48:00 PM »
I went off the rails a bit around 95-96 and wasn't aware of teh ACoS EP for a long time. When I was made aware of it, I had not heard ACoS and didn't care for covers/medleys so I never considered buying it. Then I saw ACoS on the Live Scenes DVD and thought "Holy shit how has my life existed without that song for so long?" I still didn't want to buy an EP just for that though so I obtained the song via other means. I still have no interest in owning it despite being a bit of a completionist.
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2018, 05:00:08 AM »
Not exactly 25 mins in each case, but who cares:

WD&DU - Fortune in Lies, Killing Hand, Ytse Jam
I&W - PMU, Surrounded, Learning to Live
Awake - Erotomania, Voices, Silent Man, 6:00
FII - New Millenium, Peruvian Skies, Trial of Tears
SFAM - Beyond This Life, Home, Spirit Carries On
6DOIT - Glass Prison, Blind Faith, Misunderstood
TOT - As I Am, Endless Sacrifice, Honor Thy Father
8VM - Panic Attack, These Walls, Sacrificed Son
SC - ITPOE part 1, Constant Motion, Forsaken, TDEN
BC&SL - Wither, Count of Tuscany
ADOE - Bridges In The Sky, Breaking All Illusions
DT12 - Enemy Within, Bigger Picture, Behind the Veil, Enigma Machine
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2018, 09:20:05 AM »
Actually, I never thought of it until now, but they could have released an "album" in 1995, instead of the EP, exactly with those songs, except for RtK which was made afterwards... and maybe adding another one (like Another Won, lol) or more than one other song from the Majesty era.. Something like:

1- Another Won
2- Don't Look Past Me
3- March of the Tyrant
4- Eve
5- Cry for Freedom
6- To Live Forever
7- A Change of Seasons

(estimated time: 55 minutes, just like the actual released EP)

They would never have released "Eve" after Kevin Moore left the band.  If they had released ACoS as an album in 95/96, chances are it would have included some of the songs that ended up being on FII, and not leftovers from the Majesty era or songs that weren't good enough to be included on I&W.
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2018, 01:01:18 PM »
Actually, I never thought of it until now, but they could have released an "album" in 1995, instead of the EP, exactly with those songs, except for RtK which was made afterwards... and maybe adding another one (like Another Won, lol) or more than one other song from the Majesty era.. Something like:

1- Another Won
2- Don't Look Past Me
3- March of the Tyrant
4- Eve
5- Cry for Freedom
6- To Live Forever
7- A Change of Seasons

(estimated time: 55 minutes, just like the actual released EP)

They would never have released "Eve" after Kevin Moore left the band.  If they had released ACoS as an album in 95/96, chances are it would have included some of the songs that ended up being on FII, and not leftovers from the Majesty era or songs that weren't good enough to be included on I&W.

Yeah yeah, sure... But they could have done it.. ;D
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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2018, 09:17:39 PM »
This seems fun. I'll give it a shot. My goal in each one is first to include the top songs, and then get as close to the limit as possible:

When Dream and Day Unite (24:47)
A Fortune in Lies
Status Seeker
The Killing Hand
Only a Matter of Time

Images and Words (23:34)
Metropolis, Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleeper
Wait for Sleep
Learning to Live

Awake (24:41)
Voices
The Silent Man
Scarred

Falling Into Infinity (24:42)
Peruvian Skies
Hollow Years
Lines in the Sand

Metropolis, Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory (24:54)
Overture 1928
Strange Deja-Vu
Home (Edited Version)
One Last Time
The Spirit Carries On

Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (22:10)
Misunderstood (Edited Version)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: I. Overture
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: VII. About to Crash (Reprise)
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence: VIII. Losing Time/Grand Finale

Train of Thought (22:39)
Endless Sacrifice
Stream of Consciousness

Octavarium (24:00)
Octavarium

Systematic Chaos (23:57)
In the Presence of Enemies - Part I
The Ministry of Lost Souls

Black Clouds and Silver Linings (24:43)
Wither
The Count of Tuscany

A Dramatic Turn of Events (25:05; 24:51 if I cut the ambient intro of OTBOA)
On the Backs of Angels
Far From Heaven
Breaking All Illusions

Dream Theater (23:15)
False Awakening Suite
The Enemy Inside
Surrender to Reason
The Bigger Picture

The Astonishing (23:27)
Dystopian Overture
The Gift of Music
Chosen
The X Aspect
Astonishing

Most of these were challenging, especially the double albums. There were also a few where I left out one of my favorites: SFAM where I left out Finally Free, because it just takes up too much space for the EP of such a consistent album, FII where LitS+ToT alone exceed 25 minutes, so one has to go, and ToT where the combination of ES and SoC surpasses ITNOG plus As I Am, HTF or Vacant.

On DT12, Illumination Theory is my second favorite, but it had to go because it cannot share the EP with my favorite, The Bigger Picture.
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Re: Convert the DT albums to EPs
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2018, 10:52:45 PM »
@425 Nice selection!








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