Dream Theater Finishes Smoking Barbecue!! - Album in Food Warmer!

[Renzo]

1. 11:00
2. 5:30
3. 4:30
4. 5:00 (instrumental)
5. 6:00
6. 7:00
7. 2:30
8. 19:00

[Polarbear]

I'm betting for no instrumentals this time around, unless if one has already been confirmed. I'm not that up to date with all the pieces of info...


1. 7:20
2. 4.00
3. 6:40
4. 12:20
5. 5:10
6. 9:00
7. 8:20
8. 12:50

[YtseJamittaja]

1. 9:20
2. 6:30
3. 5:20
4. 10:40
5. 4:30
6. 7:30
7. 12:20

[Mladen]

I'm fine with an album like A Dramatic Turn of Events, songs length wise (and the balance of it).

Yeah, that really was a perfectly balanced album.

[Max Kuehnau]

I'm fine with an album like A Dramatic Turn of Events, songs length wise (and the balance of it).

Yeah, that really was a perfectly balanced album.

and this is one of the reasons why I think it's their best record to date.

[Fritzinger]

You guys are crazy 

But I love this discussion I hope that IF they write a longer piece, it's more consistent than Illumination Theory. DT have proven that they are able to compose long songs (8vm), but Illumination Theory didn't have enough leitmotifs imo.

[Pax]

I'm fine with an album like A Dramatic Turn of Events, songs length wise (and the balance of it).

Yeah, that really was a perfectly balanced album.

it was well-balanced, but lacks a long epic in my opinion

I prefer how SC is balanced

[fadetoblackdude7]

1. 7:00
2. 15:30
3. 5:30
4. 5:00
5. 8:30
6. 6:30
7. 5:00
8. 4:00
9. 6:00
10. 13:00

[Lethean]

You guys are crazy 

But I love this discussion I hope that IF they write a longer piece, it's more consistent than Illumination Theory. DT have proven that they are able to compose long songs (8vm), but Illumination Theory didn't have enough leitmotifs imo.

I love Illumination Theory.  And Octavarium too. 

Hey... why don't you pop on over to the Threshold thread and tell me about their set?  [said in a very laid back and nonchalant way]

[JayOctavarium]

I predict that 3:45 - 4:15 in track 3 will blow our minds.

[Cool Chris]

I'm fine with an album like A Dramatic Turn of Events, songs length wise (and the balance of it).

Yeah, that really was a perfectly balanced album.

it was well-balanced, but lacks a long epic in my opinion

ADtoE has minimal problems or issues keeping it from being magnificent. I don't think a lack of a long epic is one of them. It's not an album that called for one or would have been improved by one.

Not a prediction, but praying for no instrumental.

[dparrott]

How about an instrumental with only JR playing leads and solos and JP only playing rhythm?  JR would be able to show his wide range of instruments.

[Peter Mc]

They’ve done a bunch of instrumentals recently so I’d be very surprised if there’s one on the new album.

[RMGadelha]

1 - 56:20 

[goo-goo]

Not sure if this has been posted but check it out

https://www.facebook.com/MarlonGibbonsComposer/?hc_ref=ARTiyx4f04O0-cX332SuAWUkbSkVd4WgVS9MU_aYm3x__Nyur03ha5vxsktKEX59VP8&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARBLfy_bXlxeKz0dBsjmpH4Nx2kAUxQpiXKCeI9yVFcj8aGlifA4VJyZhiXAlsfv2wTBlGT80QJmLR7iG2IcsyB24MSmvpJ6krdv9KeQA7pnwxk9Lg1wDijWLDeQ7r_VUVEvK3BA_F89yN8Q_sh2ybYpZx9S9cSJCBbx2YjfeFyS9gzJN3PhaA&__tn__=kCH-R

Seems like Marlon Gibbons recorded JLB vocals and is working with JR as well.

[jonny108]

Not sure if this has been posted but check it out

https://www.facebook.com/MarlonGibbonsComposer/?hc_ref=ARTiyx4f04O0-cX332SuAWUkbSkVd4WgVS9MU_aYm3x__Nyur03ha5vxsktKEX59VP8&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARBLfy_bXlxeKz0dBsjmpH4Nx2kAUxQpiXKCeI9yVFcj8aGlifA4VJyZhiXAlsfv2wTBlGT80QJmLR7iG2IcsyB24MSmvpJ6krdv9KeQA7pnwxk9Lg1wDijWLDeQ7r_VUVEvK3BA_F89yN8Q_sh2ybYpZx9S9cSJCBbx2YjfeFyS9gzJN3PhaA&__tn__=kCH-R

Seems like Marlon Gibbons recorded JLB vocals and is working with JR as well.

That appears to be for JR's solo album not DT14. 

[Ben_Jamin]

Not sure if this has been posted but check it out

https://www.facebook.com/MarlonGibbonsComposer/?hc_ref=ARTiyx4f04O0-cX332SuAWUkbSkVd4WgVS9MU_aYm3x__Nyur03ha5vxsktKEX59VP8&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARBLfy_bXlxeKz0dBsjmpH4Nx2kAUxQpiXKCeI9yVFcj8aGlifA4VJyZhiXAlsfv2wTBlGT80QJmLR7iG2IcsyB24MSmvpJ6krdv9KeQA7pnwxk9Lg1wDijWLDeQ7r_VUVEvK3BA_F89yN8Q_sh2ybYpZx9S9cSJCBbx2YjfeFyS9gzJN3PhaA&__tn__=kCH-R

Seems like Marlon Gibbons recorded JLB vocals and is working with JR as well.

That appears to be for JR's solo album not DT14.

Thats still pretty cool news. JLB on JRs Solo album, can't wait for it.

[gzarruk]

I want a 17 minute John Myung spoken word track, that's something we've never seen on a DT record before

[pcs90]

I want a 17 minute John Myung spoken word track, that's something we've never seen on a DT record before

I'd be down for that.

[PetFish]

If they do any long songs I really don't want 5 minutes of ambient sounds with nothing or very little going on.

I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car.  I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.

[pcs90]

If they do any long songs I really don't want 5 minutes of ambient sounds with nothing or very little going on.

I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car.  I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.

I tend to edit a lot of the long songs as well. I shortened the sfx / string part in IT by half or so, and I feel it fits much better. However I enjoy the Octavarium intro...maybe it's all about placement because the IT string section is nice, it's just too long in the context of the song IMO.

[NoseofNicko]

If they do any long songs I really don't want 5 minutes of ambient sounds with nothing or very little going on.

I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car.  I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.

But... but those parts are stunningly beautiful.

[KevShmev]

If they do any long songs I really don't want 5 minutes of ambient sounds with nothing or very little going on.

I edit tracks like Octavarium, Illumination Theory, and The Count of Tuscany to remove these parts since I mostly listen in my car.  I'd rather them take those 5 minutes and write another stand-alone song.

None of those songs have anything like what you describe, unless you count the silence at the end of Illumination Theory before the ending credits coda at the very end.

[TAC]

TCOT's mid section is really cool. But IT's so f'n lame. I have that edited out. I just don't understand why it is needed or what it adds to the song. At least with TCOT, it's a true bridge.

[gzarruk]

I have no issues with the Octavarium intro or the mid section in TCOT, but the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song. Still, those ambient moments give the songs a chance to breathe, and I appreciate that.

[IDontNotDoThings]

I have no issues with the Octavarium intro or the mid section in TCOT, but the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song.

[erwinrafael]

the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song. Still, those ambient moments give the songs a chance to breathe, and I appreciate that.

For me, the middle section of IT is perfect given the narrative structure of the song. The first half of the song proper asks "What are you willing to live for? To die for? To kill for?"  Then it goes ambient, sort of like mirroring the lack of answers. Then the first half of the string section which sounds like a journey. Then the second half of the string section (which reprises the melody of the song's intro) is like the moment of enlightenment. Then it goes back to the song proper with the answers to the earlier questions. "Mothers (willing to live, die, kill) for their children." "A soldier (willing to live, die, kill) for his country." "Rebels (willing to live, die, kill) for their freedom"

The structure of the song make perfect sense if you follow the narrative.

[Fritzinger]

You guys are crazy 

But I love this discussion I hope that IF they write a longer piece, it's more consistent than Illumination Theory. DT have proven that they are able to compose long songs (8vm), but Illumination Theory didn't have enough leitmotifs imo.

I love Illumination Theory.  And Octavarium too. 

Hey... why don't you pop on over to the Threshold thread and tell me about their set?  [said in a very laid back and nonchalant way]

Holy shit I totally forgot about that, sorry 

[MirrorMask]

I think I'm in both sides for those songs. On one hand, the songs were created that way and those parts add to the overall atmosphere and vibe of the song. But after the albums are out and new albums arrive and you listen to the songs for the gazillionth time, I guess there's really no harm for practical purpouses to cut those parts off.

I still have on my mp3 player a 12 minutes version of The Count of Tuscany and that's my go-to version to listen to whenever I'm actually in Tuscany.

[erwinrafael]

Is that a YES influence to writing epics? It's the structure of songs like Endless Dream.

DT has three epics with the same structure: SDOIT (Goodnight Kiss as the soft middle section with ambient parts), TCOT, and IT.

[Architeuthis]

Yet "Endless Dream" is the best of them all..  And that's saying alot!

[IDontNotDoThings]

Is that a YES influence to writing epics? It's the structure of songs like Endless Dream.

DT has three epics with the same structure: SDOIT (Goodnight Kiss as the soft middle section with ambient parts, TCOT, and IT.

Arguably Close To The Edge had the same idea decades before. 

[gzarruk]

the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song. Still, those ambient moments give the songs a chance to breathe, and I appreciate that.

For me, the middle section of IT is perfect given the narrative structure of the song. The first half of the song proper asks "What are you willing to live for? To die for? To kill for?"  Then it goes ambient, sort of like mirroring the lack of answers. Then the first half of the string section which sounds like a journey. Then the second half of the string section (which reprises the melody of the song's intro) is like the moment of enlightenment. Then it goes back to the song proper with the answers to the earlier questions. "Mothers (willing to live, die, kill) for their children." "A soldier (willing to live, die, kill) for his country." "Rebels (willing to live, die, kill) for their freedom"

The structure of the song make perfect sense if you follow the narrative.

Well, that’s a very good analysis

[Lethean]

Yeah - really cool erwinrafaelbittencourt.  I kind of thought about the lyrics like that, but not necessarily how the transition fits into it.  Very cool.

[Another_Won]

the string section in IT does feel a bit long and out of place for the flow of the song. Still, those ambient moments give the songs a chance to breathe, and I appreciate that.

For me, the middle section of IT is perfect given the narrative structure of the song. The first half of the song proper asks "What are you willing to live for? To die for? To kill for?"  Then it goes ambient, sort of like mirroring the lack of answers. Then the first half of the string section which sounds like a journey. Then the second half of the string section (which reprises the melody of the song's intro) is like the moment of enlightenment. Then it goes back to the song proper with the answers to the earlier questions. "Mothers (willing to live, die, kill) for their children." "A soldier (willing to live, die, kill) for his country." "Rebels (willing to live, die, kill) for their freedom"

The structure of the song make perfect sense if you follow the narrative.

Well, that’s a very good analysis

I'll second that.