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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #105 on: June 04, 2018, 10:04:50 AM »
Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.

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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #106 on: June 04, 2018, 11:00:45 AM »
I've always wanted more guest appearances but I'm not going to hold my breath. I really like the additions they brought to Falling Into Infinity for example and guest appearances on songs are usually nice. Would be cool for a single or something at least.

Oh god no. Wasn't there just one guest appearance on FII? And it was awful. (minority opinion here, I know...). Guest appearances can enhance a song, but I don't know if I want it from DT.

Yeah...I can't think of anything on FII other than the one guy who sang the "crown of thorns" line, and I agree with you that it was terrible.  That doesn't mean that future guest appearances can't be good.  However, I can't really think of many instance in which a band I liked had a "guest appearance" that I liked.  Fates Warning having Kevin Moore play keys on a couple of pre-APSOG songs (e.g., "At Fates Hands"), and when JLB sang BG vox on "Life in Still Water" are notable exceptions (although I can't really hear JLB on LiSW).  "The Spirit Carries On" worked well also, and I think maybe The Astonishing would have resonated more with me if there had been multiple vocalists.
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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #107 on: June 04, 2018, 11:45:47 AM »
I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...
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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #108 on: June 04, 2018, 11:48:32 AM »
I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...

Yeah, I'm with you.  Apparently, Doug Pinnick's voice is polarizing.  Why that is, I don't have any idea.  :dunno:
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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #109 on: June 04, 2018, 11:50:54 AM »
Guys, guys, guys... No need to debate this, clearly the band should have released two versions of TA. The first being the version we all know with James singing all the parts. The second being a version with vocalists for each character. It would make like almost 5 hours of DT music. Win win.

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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #110 on: June 04, 2018, 03:12:59 PM »
I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...

Yeah, I'm with you.  Apparently, Doug Pinnick's voice is polarizing.  Why that is, I don't have any idea.  :dunno:

To Doug's credit, the song would have been equally bad without him.

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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #111 on: June 04, 2018, 03:16:54 PM »
Some bands handle guests really well.  Like Kamelot always seems to find a good younger female to feature on their albums and tour with them before moving onto someone else.  While I would welcome it from DT, they've never really came off as a band that has interest in using guests.  Maybe its better off they don't, also I have no issue with Pinnick in LitS, but I wasn't crazy about Hale in Our New World although I loved the idea/attempt at doing a TA song with a guest singer.

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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #112 on: June 04, 2018, 03:28:10 PM »
After having heard him sing, the only guest vocalist I want on the new album is Jordan Rudess. Whenever there should be need for a backing vocal or an overlayed one, let's just have him for a little touch of variety, just like Portnoy was doing (but not as much, just a little addition for a single song as a novelty).
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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #113 on: June 04, 2018, 03:41:17 PM »
After having heard him sing, the only guest vocalist I want on the new album is Jordan Rudess. Whenever there should be need for a backing vocal or an overlayed one, let's just have him for a little touch of variety, just like Portnoy was doing (but not as much, just a little addition for a single song as a novelty).

I haven't heard his voice singing, but I'm all for this if he can do it live as well.  It would be cool to take away the piped in back up vocals and add a live voice.

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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #114 on: June 04, 2018, 08:08:43 PM »
I don't understand why people think that FII guest spot is bad. I think it's pretty cool. Even if I didn't like it I think it would still be far from 'bad' or even 'awful' ...

I agree. Honestly I feel it adds to the song and fits the vibe well.

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« Reply #115 on: June 05, 2018, 01:20:11 AM »
It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?

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I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #116 on: June 05, 2018, 05:27:47 AM »
It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?

Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)

PMU is a totally different beast from LitS. In LitS, I think it suits the song quite well and adds a texture that makes the song more interesting (it is already a very good song). The only whim I have is on the last chorus when Doug's voice saturates. I can't believe they could not solve the problem on production.

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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #117 on: June 05, 2018, 09:23:06 AM »
It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?

Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)

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It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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« Reply #118 on: June 05, 2018, 07:49:52 PM »
It was just an odd decision for a DT song, to have someone adlb after each line. I mean, can you imagine?

Pull me under (Pull me under oohh yeah yeah)
I'm not afraid (I'm noooot afraid, oooh yeah)
All that I feel (ALL THAT I FEEyyeeeal)


Have you heard the demo?  It wasn't "adlib".

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« Reply #119 on: June 06, 2018, 07:51:47 AM »
JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.

JP doing NOMAC tracks on guitar!!!   :metal :metal :metal  That's the kind of guitar effects I want to hear!  Pink Floyd did more atmospheric sounds 50 years ago than DT does now.  With today's technology, that could be mind blowing!
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« Reply #120 on: June 06, 2018, 12:30:11 PM »
Have you heard the demo?  It wasn't "adlib".

I don't hear any 'yeah yeah yeahs' on the demo (I couldn't make it through the whole thing so I could be wrong though)
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« Reply #121 on: June 08, 2018, 01:43:49 AM »
JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.

JP doing NOMAC tracks on guitar!!!   :metal :metal :metal  That's the kind of guitar effects I want to hear!  Pink Floyd did more atmospheric sounds 50 years ago than DT does now.  With today's technology, that could be mind blowing!

It's called the Misunderstood solo? :p

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« Reply #122 on: June 08, 2018, 06:25:03 AM »
JM does a capella renditions of the NOMAC tracks.

JP doing NOMAC tracks on guitar!!!   :metal :metal :metal  That's the kind of guitar effects I want to hear!  Pink Floyd did more atmospheric sounds 50 years ago than DT does now.  With today's technology, that could be mind blowing!

I honestly think that those sound effects were so authentic and atmospheric BECAUSE they didn't have today's technology. PF had to put in a lot of effort to create that stuff. Now you can press on a button and a sound effect comes out. And the temptation to do that is just too high (see The Shaman's Trance).
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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #123 on: June 08, 2018, 08:15:33 AM »
I was right there with you up until you gave the example of The Shaman's Trance.  I literally have no idea what you are referring to there.
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« Reply #124 on: June 08, 2018, 08:35:41 AM »
Sorry, I meant Bridges In The Sky. I mean the Shaman's voice in the beginning and the choir. Those effects are fine, but they could have been better in my opinion. Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere? Or ask a local choir to record half a minute of agnus dei? Sure, they wouldn't be sound "effects" anymore, but Pink Floyd couldn't push a key on a keyboard and the ringing of an alarm clock came out.
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« Reply #125 on: June 08, 2018, 08:46:22 AM »
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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #126 on: June 08, 2018, 08:48:27 AM »
I knew what song you meant, I just didn't know what you were referring to in the song.  Yeah, I guess I get where you are coming from.  For some reason, I was remembering that it was a recording of someone actually doing those chants in proper voice, and that Jordan had gotten it from a stock sound library.  But I think I was actually misremembering, and that you are right.  I seem to recall Jordan saying that he found the effects patch that does that, which is what he used.  But in any case, whether that is correct or not, I get your point.
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« Reply #127 on: June 08, 2018, 09:44:02 AM »
Yeah, as I found out recently when I heard the exact same "Agnus Dei" choir (albeit pitched in a different key) at the beginning of The Flower Kings' track Sword of God (off The Rainmaker). In fact, the album begins with a throat singer that sounds a lot like DT's shaman.
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« Reply #128 on: June 08, 2018, 09:49:28 AM »
Yea, both of those sounds are (I believe) part of Omnisphere. I know I've come across them when I use it.
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« Reply #129 on: June 08, 2018, 09:55:18 AM »
Yea, both of those sounds are (I believe) part of Omnisphere. I know I've come across them when I use it.

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« Reply #130 on: June 08, 2018, 11:03:53 AM »
Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere?
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It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #131 on: June 08, 2018, 11:57:51 AM »
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I put that on at a bar once with one of those internet jukeboxes. The bartender went over to the machine and unplugged it and screamed "Where are we? The fucking rainforest cafe?!"

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« Reply #132 on: June 08, 2018, 12:03:27 PM »
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I put that on at a bar once with one of those internet jukeboxes. The bartender went over to the machine and unplugged it and screamed "Where are we? The fucking rainforest cafe?!"

I also had a bar tender unplug the internet jukebox on me for playing a DT song  :rollin

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« Reply #133 on: June 08, 2018, 12:46:21 PM »
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I put that on at a bar once with one of those internet jukeboxes. The bartender went over to the machine and unplugged it and screamed "Where are we? The fucking rainforest cafe?!"

I also had a bar tender unplug the internet jukebox on me for playing a DT song  :rollin

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« Reply #134 on: June 08, 2018, 03:07:12 PM »
  Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere?
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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #135 on: June 08, 2018, 03:09:18 PM »
JP posted a video on his facebook of the scenery at the studio.  Looks like they are mostly set up to start writing and demoing  :metal :metal

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« Reply #136 on: June 08, 2018, 03:09:51 PM »
  Maybe I am wrong, but would it be so incredibly hard to find a Shaman (or someone who actually has such a voice) somewhere?
Perhaps James Earl Jones?

It would be so prog of them to go find a true blue shaman and have him record vox  :justjen
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« Reply #137 on: June 08, 2018, 03:12:02 PM »
JP posted a video on his facebook of the scenery at the studio.  Looks like they are mostly set up to start writing and demoing  :metal :metal

https://www.facebook.com/johnpetrucciFB/videos/1974052929313376/

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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #138 on: June 08, 2018, 03:37:23 PM »
So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!


So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.
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Re: Dream Theater going into the studio in 2 weeks
« Reply #139 on: June 08, 2018, 03:49:48 PM »
So last week, we were talking about little video bits, and BAM, here it is!


So while I think JP is a master of "corporate speak" and saying nothing, there is a certain genuineness about him, and he seems genuinely excited for this. That has me excited.

Ditto.

It reminds me a little of Bear Tracks.  Any idea where this is?
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