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Re: John Petrucci, The Guitarist Discussion
« Reply #105 on: June 12, 2018, 10:58:54 AM »
That being said I wanna share a controversial opinion. I think he lost a bit of his technical skills recently. Listening to footage from recent G3 tour back to back with e.g. G3 2001, it's not as tight and effortless. I guess 6DOIT/ToT era was his peak.

I don't know if that will be super controversial around here - I think with age he is a little less "fluid" of a player. I'd agree that his peak was probably that SDOIT through ToT era - the touring they did to support those records has given us some great sets and some great JP moments.

I agree with this. It might not be age, who knows maybe he practices differently, or less. It could also be his tone, it's changed a lot since ToT

Really?  I think he is much more fluid now.  I was listening to the Old Bridge bootleg recently, and his playing nowadays is MUCH more smooth than back then.


Well, there are lots of proshot festival vids from recent years where he's sometimes off e.g. The Enemy Inside from Sonisphere 2014. And here are the clips grom G3 - 2018 vs 2001. You be the judge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-r4bN85eYE
https://youtu.be/bNXEXb-Dn0c?t=488

Don't get me wrong. I love his playing and I know I'd have to share a dozen of such examples to prove my point, but it's just my observation.

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Re: John Petrucci, The Guitarist Discussion
« Reply #106 on: June 13, 2018, 01:00:44 PM »
He is top 3 for me back when I cared for ranking my favorite guitarist.

1.Satriani
2.Vai
3.Petrucci


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« Reply #107 on: June 13, 2018, 01:30:39 PM »
He is top 3 for me back when I cared for ranking my favorite guitarist.

1.Satriani
2.Vai
3.Petrucci

You must love G3 Live in Tokyo then :biggrin:
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: John Petrucci, The Guitarist Discussion
« Reply #108 on: June 13, 2018, 01:55:16 PM »
What is JP's guitar legacy going to be?

Speed?  Accuracy?  Versatility?

I'd have to say it's the constant pickup switching between bridge/neck.  Most players will use one pickup for an entire song and then JP comes along and opens up this door and now everyone seems to be doing it.  Well, at least the up-and-coming prog metal players seem to be.  I could even add the piezo integration as well but the pickup switching goes back 15 years farther.

Just like EVH's legacy is tapping and Vai's legacy would be guitar/human sexual relations (you know he's done it), I think JP will be forever remembered for this particular technique.

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« Reply #109 on: June 13, 2018, 02:43:50 PM »
I've seen tons of guitarists doing that since the early '80s at least.  It is nothing that JP invented.

Personally, I've never seen a guy tweak his pickup switch and volume knobs as much during a song as this guy:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFiYislNeRw
He isn't on the toggle switch as much in that video, but is on the volume knobs constantly (it is very subtle and you are likely to miss a lot of it if you don't watch closely), including some really nice volume swells at about the 4:15-4:30 mark (that is all volume knobs, not a pedal).
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Re: John Petrucci, The Guitarist Discussion
« Reply #110 on: June 14, 2018, 06:57:36 AM »
Yeah, I think loads of guitarists switch between the neck and bridge to get different sounds mid-song. To me, JP perfected that craft, especially during solos. He definitely influenced my playing in that particular way. That said, I think that's a detail to his playing that not a lot of people will remember simply because not a lot of people will notice it and understand it.

I'd say his legacy will be strongly linked to his role as the guitar player from DT. I think people will remember him in that context. In terms of his playing - his versatility will be the thing I think I'll remember most years down the line.

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« Reply #111 on: June 14, 2018, 02:26:10 PM »
EVH wasn't the first to tap but he made it his own and is generally recognized as the one who 'invented' it and that's his legacy.

Same for JP, sure others switch pickups, but not very many people can name who did it first or whatever.  I'm an axeman myself and can name a zillion guitarists but ask me to name another player that does it like JP and I can't which is why I think it's going to be his legacy... that and muscles.

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Re: John Petrucci, The Guitarist Discussion
« Reply #112 on: June 14, 2018, 02:33:44 PM »
Same for JP, sure others switch pickups, but not very many people can name who did it first or whatever. 

Well, sure people couldn't name who did it first.  But that's because it is such a common and inconsequential thing that pretty much EVERYBODY has been doing it since pickup switches were commonplace.  It's like asking who was "first" to plug in their electric guitar. 

I highly doubt that many people really notice that he switches pickups fairly frequently.  And those who do are probably mostly guitar players, and as such, would have also likely noticed that tons of guitar players have been doing it with as much or more frequency than JP for decades.  It's just not really a "signature move" kind of thing.
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Re: John Petrucci, The Guitarist Discussion
« Reply #113 on: June 14, 2018, 10:42:52 PM »
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« Reply #114 on: June 15, 2018, 09:41:56 AM »
Same for JP, sure others switch pickups, but not very many people can name who did it first or whatever.

I can't suggest who did it first, but I can think of a lot of guys who did it regularly long before JP:  Steve Howe, Alex Lifeson, EVH, Randy Rhoads....


But that's because it is such a common and inconsequential thing that pretty much EVERYBODY has been doing it since pickup switches were commonplace.  It's like asking who was "first" to plug in their electric guitar. 

I highly doubt that many people really notice that he switches pickups fairly frequently.  And those who do are probably mostly guitar players, and as such, would have also likely noticed that tons of guitar players have been doing it with as much or more frequency than JP for decades.  It's just not really a "signature move" kind of thing.

I'd never really noticed it in relation to JP and agree about pretty much everybody doing it.


If you want to come up with a "legacy" for JP as a guitarist, I would say its the precision of playing and the fastidious attention to tone (although lots of other guitarists do both, these are things about JP, as a guitarist, that stand out to me, a bass player).
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Re: John Petrucci, The Guitarist Discussion
« Reply #115 on: June 16, 2018, 12:04:31 AM »
He's definitely my favorite guitar player. He's got just about everything you could want in a guitar player - song writing, blazing solos, gorgeous melodies, soulful playing, emotion, kick ass riffs, beautiful acoustic playing. He's got it all.

Some of my other favorites/most influential to my playing and attitude are:

Mark Tremonti
Buckethead
Jason Becker
Jake E. Lee
Andy McKee
Eddie Van Halen
Steve Vai
Dimebag Darrell
Mark Holcomb
Daron Malakian
Tosin Abasi

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Re: John Petrucci, The Guitarist Discussion
« Reply #116 on: June 20, 2018, 06:22:57 AM »
I think the main pick-up switch offender could be Jeff Beck.

I also like to think John Petrucci's most important legacy as guitar player and guitar musician is his religious and scientific dedication in exploring and fulfilling the potential of the instrument, changing the game yet respectfully never shifting the focus from the sacrality of song and music to himself. Striving for the most complete palette never forgetting the painting.

Among the contemporary shredders, he has the monk-like mindset of a XVIII century virtuoso. 

For what is worth, he's up there in my pantheon with Jeff Beck, Rory Gallagher, John McLaughlin, Vernon Reid, Robert Fripp, Jan Akkerman, Mark Knopfler, Brian Setzer, Ritchie Blackmore, Steve Lukather and Gary Moore.
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Re: John Petrucci, The Guitarist Discussion
« Reply #117 on: June 20, 2018, 10:24:13 AM »
Brian Setzer? Gee I was just thinking how much Mike Mangini reminded me of Slim Jim Phantom.  ;D
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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