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Re: Social media: The Death Knell of Society
« Reply #35 on: December 04, 2018, 12:58:13 PM »
Clearly the death knell of our American society was women wearing pants!  Or was it the talking picture shows?  Wait, maybe it was demon alcohol!  No, definitely pornography... surely it was porn.

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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2018, 04:56:26 PM »
With so many things ending society as we knew it every other year, it is inevitable I will forget a few.
I guess we can throw in the ERA, Communists, Blacks using the same water fountains, gay wedding cakes, and kneeling football players.
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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2018, 09:38:34 AM »
I've been meaning to post this here for a couple of days but I wanted to get my thoughts straight before Stads comes at me  :P

Is social media really the death knell of society? Because I believe the true death knell were reality shows. For more than two decades TV has been showing some of the worst people I've seen as "the real" people. The Jersey shore showed us a bunch of idiots who only partied, had sex and were mean to each other as some kind of standard. Big brother showed us random people stuck in a house fighting each other for popularity just so they could win that contest. Isn't that what really infected our society and later got us all the youtubers, the twitstars and everything else? Wasn't all that "public" shaming kids saw on tv what later transpired into the sort of shaming we see nowadays in social media? Wasn't this complete disregard of privacy what influenced how kids use social media today? Isn't that what eventually got Don elected as president? After all, he had a reality show where he was shown as an asshole who treated people like shit. People eventually got to believe that those kind of people are the real people.

Well, I think you're on to something, but both are really a change from community thought to individual thought, and a change from fact-based (relatively speaking of course) evaluation to opinion-based.    Sure, people always had their opinions, some based in reality, some not, but there was always a sort of "cushion" or "buffer" between the individual and their opinion and the collective and fact.  It's not his fault, but by way of example, Walter Cronkite; when he retired, there were a LOT of Republicans/Conservatives that were pissed off and felt betrayed because they never in a million years took him for a relatively bleeding heart liberal.   Now?   Do you really have any doubt where Anderson Cooper (who I like, mind you) falls?

Of course it's not a literal death knell, and to say that is to be pedantic.  But it is a sort of canary in the coal mine of a massive change of thought and outlook in our country.  Yes, I am very aware there is social media in other countries, but I think it's a multi-variable problem, and isn't as easy as "Don't Drink And Drive" or "Say No To Drugs".   It's in large part because of the way it's been assimilated into our culture.  I don't think we stop "social media", and nor should we.   But like many other things that we've come to manage in one way or another, I think we start to manage this. 

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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2019, 06:23:51 AM »
If you could go back to late 80's early 90's (or any time in general) before cell phones, social media and the internet was so ubiquitous, pervasive and engrained in our everyday lives, would you?

I honestly have no Idea if I would, but I remember a kind of simplicity from those times. Unless the hard wired land line telephone rang (and I was actually home at the time), people could not access me and I could not access them. At the time that was just the norm, so I took it for granted, but to be honest I kind of miss it. There's somewhat of a tranquility to it, or at least for me there is.

For the hell of it, I've been deliberately leaving my phone at home here and there just to see how it would feel, and my god its amazing how much this thing his become so apart of my life, but its also comforting to a degree to know I can still play the game without it. Life can exist without all this stuff. It is still possible.

Sorry for the rambling, but anyway. Do you miss those times at all? Would you go back if you could, or are you cool with life the way it is?

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« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2019, 06:44:50 AM »
If you could go back to late 80's early 90's (or any time in general) before cell phones, social media and the internet was so ubiquitous, pervasive and engrained in our everyday lives, would you?


In a heartbeat. Although it wasn’t Long ago it still feels like it was a ‘simpler’ time. Not that there weren’t problems and issues that we still face today.....but the culture in general. It was pre PC and was an era where people didn’t have this false notion that you had a right not to be offended.

Kid sports were just that......kid sports and not the industry they are these days. Not just talking College but I’m even speaking to little kids.....6,7,8 year olds. The joy has been sucked right out of them.....a kid can’t just ‘play’ baseball or soccer or whatever anymore. It’s a year round commitment that generally kills thier desire to play the sport for long.

For as long as I’ve remembered I’ve dreamt of living in simpler times. Not that I don’t appreciate modern medicine or air conditioning.....but something about living a simpler life ala ‘little house on the prairie’ era has always appealed to me personally.
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« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2019, 06:46:29 AM »
If you could go back to late 80's early 90's (or any time in general) before cell phones, social media and the internet was so ubiquitous, pervasive and engrained in our everyday lives, would you?

I honestly have no Idea if I would, but I remember a kind of simplicity from those times. Unless the hard wired land line telephone rang (and I was actually home at the time), people could not access me and I could not access them. At the time that was just the norm, so I took it for granted, but to be honest I kind of miss it. There's somewhat of a tranquility to it, or at least for me there is.

For the hell of it, I've been deliberately leaving my phone at home here and there just to see how it would feel, and my god its amazing how much this thing his become so apart of my life, but its also comforting to a degree to know I can still play the game without it. Life can exist without all this stuff. It is still possible.

Sorry for the rambling, but anyway. Do you miss those times at all? Would you go back if you could, or are you cool with life the way it is?

Do I miss the Good Ol Days?  The days of my youth?  Sure I do.  But it is because of a frothy concoction of rose colored glassed and 20/20 hindsight.
I surely miss the simplicity of an earlier time...and unless you had major trauma in that era, I would say most people do too.  But I would only go back if I could be young again AND rich :) LOL.

But even though all the social media and complications of today certainly suck, let us not forget some of what today brings us that is truly GOOD.
-We can find answers to questions almost immediately.  No more going to a library to look it up in an Encyclopedia or Dictionary.
-Better contact with the people we do want to keep in touch with.  No more letter writing and snail mail.
-Online shopping!  No more going to that evil place called a Mall!
-Online Billpay, financial software, office software.  No more writing checks all the time with manual spreadsheets!

Im sure there are a thousand more, but one in particular nails it for me:
-ONLINE FREE PORN!!!!!  No more jerking off to the same stolen Hustler hidden under your mattress!
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« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2019, 06:58:52 AM »
If you could go back to late 80's early 90's (or any time in general) before cell phones, social media and the internet was so ubiquitous, pervasive and engrained in our everyday lives, would you?


In a heartbeat. Although it wasn’t Long ago it still feels like it was a ‘simpler’ time. Not that there weren’t problems and issues that we still face today.....but the culture in general. It was pre PC and was an era where people didn’t have this false notion that you had a right not to be offended.

Kid sports were just that......kid sports and not the industry they are these days. Not just talking College but I’m even speaking to little kids.....6,7,8 year olds. The joy has been sucked right out of them.....a kid can’t just ‘play’ baseball or soccer or whatever anymore. It’s a year round commitment that generally kills thier desire to play the sport for long.

For as long as I’ve remembered I’ve dreamt of living in simpler times. Not that I don’t appreciate modern medicine or air conditioning.....but something about living a simpler life ala ‘little house on the prairie’ era has always appealed to me personally.

Not trying to single you out, but much of what you complain about is really well within your control.  If you really want a "simpler" life, that is well within your control.  You can go back to a certain degree if you want.
As an example:
I live in a very developed area in South Florida.  Yes you can have your kids play year round in one sport....but you also can CHOOSE not to.  Just play Rec leagues that your city puts on, and just do soccer for 3 months, Softball three months, Ballet 5 months, or whatever.  Complaining about that is a bit disingenuous.  No one is forcing any kids to play year round travel leagues.  If you are caving to that pressure, then that is on you...not the era we live in.
Also, if you want a simple life, then stop doing things that cause you to get caught up in the rat race.  I saw pictures of a very nice house in a developed area, along with a very nicely appointed stone deck area.  If you want "little house on the prarie", then go and do it.  No one is stopping you.
And to complain about PC.  You complain about people complaining?  That is some serious irony.  You want people to be allowed to speak their mind?  Well people being upset about people being PC is no different.

I dont mean to come across as rude here, and if I am, Im sorry.  I just see your problems being fully within your control, or being outright your creation.  I think that you are probably upset at the people always blaming others for their problems....yet that is exactly what you are doing.

I personally would like SOME of the attributes of days of old....but I think going back to that time would not be as nice as most think it would be.  Kind of like getting back together with that girlfriend who dumped you 10 yrs ago.  After a few weeks, it would be the same old shit again.
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Re: Social media: The Death Knell of Society
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2019, 06:58:59 AM »
Nah, not a fan of regression.
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« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2019, 07:33:52 AM »
Nah, not a fan of regression.

I like it, but Overture 1928 is certainly better.  :biggrin:

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« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2019, 07:35:47 AM »
Nah, not a fan of regression.

I like it, but Overture 1928 is certainly better.  :biggrin:

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Re: Social media: The Death Knell of Society
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2019, 08:02:40 AM »
If you could go back to late 80's early 90's (or any time in general) before cell phones, social media and the internet was so ubiquitous, pervasive and engrained in our everyday lives, would you?


In a heartbeat. Although it wasn’t Long ago it still feels like it was a ‘simpler’ time. Not that there weren’t problems and issues that we still face today.....but the culture in general. It was pre PC and was an era where people didn’t have this false notion that you had a right not to be offended.

Kid sports were just that......kid sports and not the industry they are these days. Not just talking College but I’m even speaking to little kids.....6,7,8 year olds. The joy has been sucked right out of them.....a kid can’t just ‘play’ baseball or soccer or whatever anymore. It’s a year round commitment that generally kills thier desire to play the sport for long.

For as long as I’ve remembered I’ve dreamt of living in simpler times. Not that I don’t appreciate modern medicine or air conditioning.....but something about living a simpler life ala ‘little house on the prairie’ era has always appealed to me personally.

Not trying to single you out, but much of what you complain about is really well within your control.  If you really want a "simpler" life, that is well within your control.  You can go back to a certain degree if you want.
As an example:
I live in a very developed area in South Florida.  Yes you can have your kids play year round in one sport....but you also can CHOOSE not to.  Just play Rec leagues that your city puts on, and just do soccer for 3 months, Softball three months, Ballet 5 months, or whatever.  Complaining about that is a bit disingenuous.  No one is forcing any kids to play year round travel leagues.  If you are caving to that pressure, then that is on you...not the era we live in.

Completely agree....and you've detailed how our kids play sports. Very 'simple' rec leagues. They play them and enjoy them and then that is that. I was stating an observation of the condition of the youth sports out there now. Those 'rec' leagues are great but aren't the norm and certainly aren't as many options to choose from. But I get your point.


And to complain about PC.  You complain about people complaining?  That is some serious irony.  You want people to be allowed to speak their mind?  Well people being upset about people being PC is no different.

this is where we'll disagree a bit. I think there is a distinct difference between simply speaking your mind and the PC approach. Like I said, you don't have a right not to be offended. I'm not 'offended' by the PC culture that permeates our culture. I'm annoyed by it. You have a right to be PC and to scream about it all day long.....but, this notion that you have the right not to be offended by others that has developed due to the PC era is not a right. 

I dont mean to come across as rude here, and if I am, Im sorry.  I just see your problems being fully within your control, or being outright your creation.  I think that you are probably upset at the people always blaming others for their problems....yet that is exactly what you are doing.

It's not coming across as rude....I'm tracking with you. I don't see this as me inventing the PC culture. It's there. There's no denying it. And, I don't see people blaming others for their problems as 'my' problem.....that's 'their' problem, not mine. I may be annoyed by it but it's not a 'problem' for me. 

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« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2019, 08:15:45 AM »
I'd like to live in a time where we have the power of the cellphone in our pocket, but people aren't obsessed with sharing their life experience through it. I love being able to use GPS whenever I need to, or Google recipes at the grocery store, but I hate feeling like I'm always in the background of a picture, or have to go out of my way to avoid children when I'm walking my dog because I fear some douchebag is going to post a pic of it on Reddit with the label "man luring children in with puppy" or something stupid like that.

I would also really like the ability to put up an away message on my cellphone. I feel obligated to respond to texts almost immediately, especially if it's someone asking a question or something. I'd like to be able to leave my phone in the bedroom and have my mom not think I'm dead somewhere if 30 minutes goes by without me responding to her.

I'd love to live in a world where I could go to a party and not have to have people say "Oh you have to watch this video, it's so funny" only to then have to stand there awkwardly for 5 minutes, pretending like I can hear the shitty noise coming out of their under powered phone speaker.


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« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2019, 08:37:48 AM »
When it comes to this evolution of technology, I have to say that I feel like I have born at the right time. I'm born in 1979 and so I lived as a kid in the '80s, without any of these stuff, and the internet was becoming a phenomenon as I was in my last years of high school.

Had I been born before, I would have been too used to the "world before" and maybe I would have found difficult to adapt. Had I been born later, that would have been my reality and I would have not known the difference. Having played in the courtyard as a kid and having went through all of school writing everything on paper, I know that the internet and the new technologies are something "more", something added, and I am not obsessed by it.

I mean, it's a "thing" that people complain when you don't answer a Whatsapp text even when the blue mark shows that the other recipient got the message. I lived when you had to call the home phone, I could never be bothered by something so trivial. I even consider YouTube just another site, while there are people that consider it so common that it's part of their lives just like it was part of my life to wait on MtV until I  could see the Until it Sleeps video.

Same with social media, I lived well into my adulthood without them, it's fun to use them but people being obsessed with likes and sharing should really know how life could just go on without it.
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Re: Social media: The Death Knell of Society
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2019, 09:14:13 AM »
I'd like to live in a time where we have the power of the cellphone in our pocket, but people aren't obsessed with sharing their life experience through it. I love being able to use GPS whenever I need to, or Google recipes at the grocery store, but I hate feeling like I'm always in the background of a picture, or have to go out of my way to avoid children when I'm walking my dog because I fear some douchebag is going to post a pic of it on Reddit with the label "man luring children in with puppy" or something stupid like that.

I would also really like the ability to put up an away message on my cellphone. I feel obligated to respond to texts almost immediately, especially if it's someone asking a question or something. I'd like to be able to leave my phone in the bedroom and have my mom not think I'm dead somewhere if 30 minutes goes by without me responding to her.

I'd love to live in a world where I could go to a party and not have to have people say "Oh you have to watch this video, it's so funny" only to then have to stand there awkwardly for 5 minutes, pretending like I can hear the shitty noise coming out of their under powered phone speaker.

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« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2019, 09:43:18 AM »
My point is that there is literally nothing from stopping most of you from making your experience the way you want it.  If you are clear with your (friends/family/co-workers/etc) that you are a certain way in any aspect of your life, they will eventually get it and act accordingly.

We are giving too much power away to others and then complaining about it.
If you stop posting on Facebook and accepting every request you get, it is amazing how Facebook takes up less and less of your time.
There is zero reason to react like Pavlov's Dog everytime there is a ring or ding from your device.
These devices and platforms can be used as much and as little as YOU want to use them.

I did a huge purge on Facebook a few years ago.  Mostly just very close friends and family.  Maybe 25 people max.  Now I simply do not spend much time on Facebook.
I started to see a few posters dominate the discussions here in P/R.  I reacted by getting in discussions that took up a lot of my time.  I now post much less, and many times delete my responses when I think about how much time I will have to invest in the topic or thread.
I tend to be very to the point on my phone calls and texts....people now know my style, and I do not get pointless looooooong calls/texts about bullshit.

Now I'm no saint when it comes to this stuff, but I do know that if you want a simpler life these days, the ONLY way to get it....and you CAN get it....is to take a hard look at yourself and make those changes.  Tech and all this crap isnt going away....and for the time being, we still have 100% the ability to choose how much it is used in our lives. 

Find the balance.  The balance of tech/social media/ rat race/ etc....and the serenity in your life.  Use it as a tool but make sure it doesnt run your life.
I personally tink there is a measure of happiness and peace to be found if you find that balance.
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« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2019, 09:53:25 AM »
I would just because I prefer it, but I don't think WE should as a society, for better or worse. 

I think this is a complicated question, since we are far better of as a species and a society, but far worse off as people. 

Almost all the benefits have downsides; sure we can google info at a moments notice, but there was a charm to the sort of "bar discussion" about sports that didn't have that douche with a cell phone "no, Babe Ruth hit 54 homeruns in 1926!"

Gene Simmons might actually have BEEN a demon, because no one saw him otherwise.   Ozzy WAS the Prince of Darkness because all we had to go on was a blurry picture on the back of Vol. 4.   Pong was boring as fuck (we actually spelled it out, instead of using "AF") and so we went outside and rode our bikes, played football (or wiffle ball) and didn't give even half a thought about whether we'd be home by dark or not.   

I get that cellphones are important and innovative; I probably couldn't function at my job without one (working out of the house, I KNOW I couldn't).   I'm also not 15 years old.   At 15, I need to learn how to actually TALK to a girl, face-to-face, so that I can work up, over time, to showing her my penis, instead of sending her a gif of a penis (may or may not be mine) right out of the gate.    Maybe we OUGHT to have to go to the mall to buy something;  hell if you really want it, you'll put in the effort to get it. 

In conversations like these I'm almost always reminded of the lyrics to "Analog Kid" (my vote for Neil's lyrical masterpiece), and it's important to note he wrote that before any cellphones, social media, or (widely available) internet.

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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2019, 10:04:08 AM »
Gary, I tend to agree with you on the "PC" angle; I'm very much a "tend  your own garden" kind of guy, and for me, the "PC" idea isn't about the voicing of opinions (opinions, assholes, etc.) but rather about the adoption of a de facto standard of behavior.   I could  care less if someone doesn't want to use the word "retard" or "gay" or "janitor", and wants to make the point by using "mentally challenged", "alternative lifestyle", or "sanitary engineer".  The "PC" movement goes off the rails when it judges me for my choice in that matter without any consideration of my context, intent, or ideas on the subject.   

I think technology has aided and abetted that transition, and not in a good way.   Between "keyboard warriors" who talk tough when there are 168 keys, two screens, 2 kBs, and 2 screens in between and the mob mentality ganging up on someone that just must be "deplorable", and you have a real suspension of the necessary space in which to arrive at good decisions.

Speed is great when it comes to downloading music, driving your BMW, or throwing a fastball, but it sucks in bed and in trying to assimilate complicated issues with broad implications.    As the "God" thread implicitly shows, humans have an incredible, almost unlimited amount of hubris, and when or technology allows that hubris more room to operate unchecked, it becomes a problem, in my view. 

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« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2019, 10:04:23 AM »
There are always 2 sides to every coin, and it depends what you do with your new found tech.

Sure I dont have to go to a mall to get a gift.  That has ZERO bearing on its meaning to me or the recipient.  But maybe I can live longer due to the lower blood pressure I will have not having to go to that hell hole.
I can get a lot of work done remotely.  That saves time, and travel, allowing me to spend more time with my kids, enriching both our lives.
And sometimes knowing more truth about someone can be good....transparency is good.  Not sure how one can say it is a good thing that people used to be able to hide the shitty things they do to other people.

But again, a coin has two sides.  There is a dark and unproductive side to tech and social media.  But each individual has their own power to control it.  Personal responsibility.  No one is stopping anyone from meeting up with a few buddies to talk shit in a bar with their phones off.

And as far as PC goes, I tend to see no difference between the two sides.  There is no difference between someone saying"Those faggots are immoral and un-christian, and they need to get the fuck out of the USA", and someone saying, "Those uncaring bigots are nothing but racists, and have no right to say stuff like that to us."

Each is saying shit about each other, and telling them what to do.  No fucking difference.



EDIT: and with that, I retire from message boards today.  It has taken up more time and energy than I have for it, and am making my choice to disconnect from this new fangled futuristic contraption.  I am going to play Missile Command on my Atari 2600 like the good ole days.  LOL
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Re: Social media: The Death Knell of Society
« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2019, 10:37:57 AM »
My point is that there is literally nothing from stopping most of you from making your experience the way you want it. 

That's not entirely true. Sure, I can treat my personal hardware however I wish, but it doesn't change the rest of society. I'm still at risk of ending up in a viral video somewhere. I still can't walked around Hartford at lunch without nearly walking into a few dozen people because they can't look up while walking anymore. I can't go to any kind of crowded event without having to look through a thousand phone screens. It doesn't stop my bosses from expecting me to pick up whenever they call and thinking negatively if I don't. It doesn't stop others from putting photos of me up on the internet.

Short of refusing to leave the house to avoid life, there's plenty of stuff that we as individuals have ZERO control over when it comes to tech and how we experience it.

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« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2019, 10:42:51 AM »
My point is that there is literally nothing from stopping most of you from making your experience the way you want it. 

That's not entirely true. Sure, I can treat my personal hardware however I wish, but it doesn't change the rest of society. I'm still at risk of ending up in a viral video somewhere. I still can't walked around Hartford at lunch without nearly walking into a few dozen people because they can't look up while walking anymore. I can't go to any kind of crowded event without having to look through a thousand phone screens. It doesn't stop my bosses from expecting me to pick up whenever they call and thinking negatively if I don't. It doesn't stop others from putting photos of me up on the internet.

Short of refusing to leave the house to avoid life, there's plenty of stuff that we as individuals have ZERO control over when it comes to tech and how we experience it.

You are correct....I should not have been so black and white about it.  But there is A LOT you can do to control the effect this stuff has on your life, and find some sort of balance.  Yes?
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« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2019, 10:44:57 AM »
If you could go back to late 80's early 90's (or any time in general) before cell phones, social media and the internet was so ubiquitous, pervasive and engrained in our everyday lives, would you?

No.  Life is better now IMO, at least for me. Sure looking back on the past brings back fond memories of a time where I could be alone and left alone because there was no way to contact me and there is a nice aspect to that, but I can shut my phone off and go for a drive and pretty much get that same experience.  The difference is, I don't really have a desire to do so.  Now I think Gary has a bit difference experience having kids and the kids are going to make it difficult to ignore today's world as they are very much consumed by it.  But for me, I love having the world at my finger tips.  I love knowing and following anything I could possibly have an interest in.  I love having a group chat with my best friends, some of which I hardly ever get to see because they live far away and same goes with my parents who moved to Florida.  I love the simplicity of doing any basic task, from cooking to driving to wacking off.  Everything is easier and makes life better IMO.  Sure social media has it's downfalls, but I feel like I just ignore the BS part of it all and I enjoy the positives.

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Re: Social media: The Death Knell of Society
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2019, 04:45:59 PM »
If you could go back to late 80's early 90's (or any time in general) before cell phones, social media and the internet was so ubiquitous, pervasive and engrained in our everyday lives, would you?

Not at all, but I do not feel that my cell and social media is "so ubiquitous, pervasive and engrained" in my life. My cell is always in my pocket, but not because I get any calls/tweets/fb updates, etc... I just like having it to alleviate boredom when it arises. And this forum is my sole social media outlet.

I love having the world at my fingertips. I love buying stuff online (and I still enjoy going to the mall), how there is a good chance I can find whatever item I need, no matter how random, on Amazon or eBay, online banking and bill pay, streaming music, watching YouTube when feeding my 1 year old when she wakes up at 3am, being able to look up who the NFL MVP was in 1973 in 5 seconds. I love how I met my wife online.

The ease at which the internet makes it possible for people like me who generally doesn't like other people to get by with less and less interaction with others is awesome. Of course it does also lead to isolation, depression, and a host of other issues. But I try to reconcile that with how much happier it has made me.
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Re: Social media: The Death Knell of Society
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2019, 05:21:48 PM »
I do like the fact that I grew up in a time before tech took over our lives though.  I like that I can actually remember a time without phones and when the internet became a thing and how it changed our lives.  I like that I can relate to that "simpler life" even if I personally wouldn't want to go back.  I think it makes me respect it much more and able to see/remember what things were like so I respect things in a way that maybe the future generations cannot.

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« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2019, 05:40:35 PM »
Not to argue, because I get what you are saying, but in some ways it wasn't "simpler." Got a check? You had to drive down to the bank to deposit it. Now you can do it on your phone in 2 minutes. Want to buy that LOL doll for your kid for Christmas? You had to trek to the mall and hope the store wasn't sold out. Now you can buy it online at 3am in your underwear and have it dropped on your porch in two days. Need to pay taxes? You had to navigate your way through the 1040, or pay HR Block to do it. Now you can TurboTax your way through.
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« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2019, 06:09:21 PM »
Yea, I don't know why I used that word other than because people sometimes seem to refer to the past as simpler times.  I agree with you and those are big reasons why I say no to going back to such times.

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« Reply #60 on: January 09, 2019, 07:55:02 AM »
Not to argue, because I get what you are saying, but in some ways it wasn't "simpler." Got a check? You had to drive down to the bank to deposit it. Now you can do it on your phone in 2 minutes. Want to buy that LOL doll for your kid for Christmas? You had to trek to the mall and hope the store wasn't sold out. Now you can buy it online at 3am in your underwear and have it dropped on your porch in two days. Need to pay taxes? You had to navigate your way through the 1040, or pay HR Block to do it. Now you can TurboTax your way through.

Are those all good things?   When I went to the bank, I gave them a piece of paper, and they gave me a bunch of pieces of paper back, and I was free to do anything I wanted, from paying my rent to buying beer, to maybe even buying a little herb.  No one knew anything about any of that (except the landlord, the guy that went into buy the beer for me, because I was under 21, or the dude that sold me the oregano).   Now?  yeah, I can deposit it at 2am without leaving my house, but deposits made after 4pm eastern standard time will be processed the next business day.   So then the next business day comes and the first $200 is made available at the close of business (my time?  The time of the branch processing the check?  Greenwich Mean Time?) then next $800 will be available after the second business day (again, time?) and the remainder in five business days, unless you call them early and negotiate for the release of funds early.  Depending on the algorithm of your account - bounced checks if any, refused deposits, if any, average balance - you might or might not get that early release, or, in some cases, it might be TEN business days for the remainder. 

Now, I can pay my rent with a check, maybe but the creepy guy outside the liquor store won't take a check, so I have to go to the ATM, and assuming the funds are available (see above) I can pay $2.50 (at least) to get my own money out to give to the guy to buy my liquor.  Likewise to the spice salesman down the block. 

So much simpler.  :)

Look, I avail myself of these benefits too, probably to a high degree compared to some of us here.   But without being a full-on Stoic, I think there is some creedance to the idea of virtue in putting in the effort for your outcome.   Maybe the only variable in the equation of "going to the mall to buy that gift" isn't just "inconvenience".   Maybe it matters whether you drive to meet that girl in person as opposed to sending cock photos via text.   Maybe that money has more intrinsic value when you have to physically move it as opposed to flicking and swiping it into Jeff Bezo's pocket. 

EDIT:  To sum up, I see merit in Cram's position; take advantage of the situation, but be aware of the context (that's what I take, anyway).   It's kind of like music; you can  love Yngwie, but it's beneficial to have a broader picture and understand Blackmore as well, since that informs so much (not all) of what Yngwie is presenting.

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« Reply #61 on: January 09, 2019, 08:15:45 AM »
But with the bank, you can still do all the things you listed from before. You can just ALSO do the stuff Chris said.

You can just as easily go into a bank and get cash and buy hookers today as you could 30 years ago. Though I'd imagine the class of hookers might have changed since then.
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« Reply #62 on: January 09, 2019, 04:53:13 PM »
Are those all good things?   When I went to the bank, I gave them a piece of paper, and they gave me a bunch of pieces of paper back, and I was free to do anything I wanted, from paying my rent to buying beer, to maybe even buying a little herb.  No one knew anything about any of that (except the landlord, the guy that went into buy the beer for me, because I was under 21, or the dude that sold me the oregano).   Now?  yeah, I can deposit it at 2am without leaving my house, but deposits made after 4pm eastern standard time will be processed the next business day.   So then the next business day comes and the first $200 is made available at the close of business (my time?  The time of the branch processing the check?  Greenwich Mean Time?) then next $800 will be available after the second business day (again, time?) and the remainder in five business days, unless you call them early and negotiate for the release of funds early.  Depending on the algorithm of your account - bounced checks if any, refused deposits, if any, average balance - you might or might not get that early release, or, in some cases, it might be TEN business days for the remainder. 

Now, I can pay my rent with a check, maybe but the creepy guy outside the liquor store won't take a check, so I have to go to the ATM, and assuming the funds are available (see above) I can pay $2.50 (at least) to get my own money out to give to the guy to buy my liquor.  Likewise to the spice salesman down the block. 

So much simpler.  :)

Look, I avail myself of these benefits too, probably to a high degree compared to some of us here.   But without being a full-on Stoic, I think there is some creedance to the idea of virtue in putting in the effort for your outcome.   Maybe the only variable in the equation of "going to the mall to buy that gift" isn't just "inconvenience".   Maybe it matters whether you drive to meet that girl in person as opposed to sending cock photos via text.   Maybe that money has more intrinsic value when you have to physically move it as opposed to flicking and swiping it into Jeff Bezo's pocket. 

EDIT:  To sum up, I see merit in Cram's position; take advantage of the situation, but be aware of the context (that's what I take, anyway).   It's kind of like music; you can  love Yngwie, but it's beneficial to have a broader picture and understand Blackmore as well, since that informs so much (not all) of what Yngwie is presenting.


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« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2019, 09:59:13 PM »
some good stuff here  https://cinemasangha.com/2019/03/17/jurassic-park-is-about-social-media/#more-1050

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There was a utopian vision for social media, just as Hammond had this beautiful vision for his park. We thought it would bring the world together, that it would foster understanding and education. It would be the greatest boon to human intelligence and relationship; suddenly I could understand the daily life of a person a continent away, could eavesdrop on the thoughts of  a person with an identity unlike my own, could hear the thoughts of those who had been historically marginalized.

But it drove us fucking nuts. There’s no other way to say it –

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Why did this stuff drive us nuts? We just are not built for it. Our brains evolved to only be able to really relate to communities of about 150 people, and we can only really care about/be truly bonded to 50 people at a time. Now look at how many people you follow on any of these platforms. How many ‘friends’ you have on Facebook. How many people come across your Twitter transom in any given hour. It’s way, way, way more than 50. Way more than 150, even. You just can’t relate to all of these people as people. But there’s more – you’re trained to trust what people you like say, so when a friend shares some nonsense you approach it with… I don’t want to say more gullible attitude, but you’re less likely to double check the info. The distance between reality and the screen is such that we’re all willing to say what we wouldn’t say in person, and so disagreement explode in ways that usually only happen in bar fights. But you’re on Twitter getting into these brawls all the time, or reading them, which is just as toxic in its own way.

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« Reply #64 on: March 18, 2019, 10:16:10 AM »
I think there is a kernel of really profound truth in that second paragraph.   I don't quite feel we've adopted a "gullible" attitude; I don't think people are "falling for" things, per se.  But I do think that some have "gamed" the system in a way, by turning it into a personal MORAL failure to be critical (in the classic sense) of facts.    I don't know why ANYONE wouldn't be apoplectic over the vernacular "MY truth".  There is no "my truth".   When I see "my truth" I see bullying, I see marketing, I see deception.   To varying degrees, I grant you, but I see a way of warping the perception of the message.   If I'm right, if my information has veracity, I shouldn't have to couch it with the warning that this is "my truth", and wrap it with the Kevlar that social media has provided us for "opinions".   

That's the biggest "sin" of social media, if you ask me.  It used to be that "opinions were like assholes; everyone's got one", the "asshole" analogy being apt, because it implicitly said that opinions were best kept to oneself.  Not today; we have to declare everything, and we're at the point now - see the "New Zealand" discussion in another thread - where if you DON'T declare your opinion for all to see, you're branded, factually, with an adverse position. Think about that; you're being judged if you DON'T take, actively, the position perceived as "right" by the audience in question.

That should bother some of you a lot more than it apparently does. 

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« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2019, 10:46:39 AM »
That second paragraph is absolutely true and a big reason I started removing people from my Facebook in order to clean things up and (hopefully) stop using it so much, or at all, honestly. Sooo many people... so many self-congratulatory posts, patting oneself on the back, "likes" and "agree" comments subconsciously reinforcing one's beliefs. I saw someone post a scholarly-worded status doing just that on Friday, adding nothing to the conversation about the New Zealand shooter other than getting people to agree with his beliefs on it. On top of all that, it's a lot of people from around the country... people I see once a year at a festival. Why, honestly, should I give a rat's ass about anything they have to say, why am I friends with them if I only see them once a year, and seeing these self-congratulatory, attention-seeking posts on social media annoy me so much?

That desire to put everything out there, and then get that subconscious reinforcement from the 'likes' and comments... it really does bother me. Not that I haven't done it in the past, but it's such a waste of time and mental energy, I've had no problem deleting people from it lately. Hell, I barely talk to a handful of people I've known for many years locally - in all honesty, why TF should I care about all the people who have added me from all over the country, even the planet? Meh. Sometimes I think the luddites have it best.

Stadler, your last comment about being judged if you remain silent is 100% true, and I have seen people put up on Facebook posts that say exactly that. "If you don't say something, or participate in any capacity, YOU are part of the problem, and every bit as bad as someone who's actively committing these heinous acts/saying these terrible things." It's frightening, it really is. Nuance is being thrown out the window and it doesn't matter what you say if you aren't in lock-step with some of these people, because they're just so convinced that they're "right" - the irony being that most of these controversial issues are very rarely, if ever, a black and white issue of "right and wrong" but have a thousand smaller factors to consider that make up the issue.
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« Reply #66 on: March 18, 2019, 11:20:47 AM »
Yea I saw your post on facebook about deleting people, I hear ya man.  I get some friend requests and if I never met or talked to you to know who you are, I am not accepting it. I've got a few of those from progpower before too.  Facebook to me is too personal.  I don't mind if someone follows me on instagram or twitter, I don't find those social media platforms to be as personal as facebook and I don't need to follow back.  The other option which I've used on people who I know yet do not enjoy following, is to just unfollow them.  There's definitely people I know and even like but just have no interest in following their daily opinion posts that I am not interested in seeing so I can stay friends but just not have to see their latest radical article post and opinion mixed in with my music news (which I think is essentially all I follow anymore on facebook)

Also, I get a bit bothered myself with my own obsession with "likes".  I need to admit I get my own joy and pleasure when I post a video on twitter and it gets a like.  I don't have many followers on that platform (well any really, but twitter is my least engaged social media) so when I make an edited gaming video and someone likes it, I do feel an enjoyment out of that.  It definitely messes with my mind in ways that maybe our minds aren't capable of, yet.

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« Reply #67 on: March 18, 2019, 11:31:24 AM »
I've posted maybe 5 photos to my Facebook page over the last year, and I think 4 of them were things I was 3D printing.   

I absolutely loathe what social media has become, and it's amazing how custom tailored it is to each users. I've mentioned here before that I did a massive purge of people from my friends list, and about 3 years ago began hiding anyone that posted anything even remotely political, regardless of what they were posting. Last week Victoria and I were comparing FB feeds. I scrolled past, and I shit you not, 44 posts until I found something posted by someone on my friend's list. She scrolled by 26 or 28 posts until she saw something that wasn't posted by someone on her friends list.

My feed was/is filled with nothing but monster trucks, battlebots, astronomy pages, RC club pages, meat smoking pages, 3D printing groups, and miniature modelling pages. Hers is nothing but a mashup of baby pictures, work out progress photos, vacation pics, pics from girls' nights out, engagement rings... that stuff, all from people on her friends list. There are nights where her eyes are locked on that fucking screen for hours, just moving her thumb up and down, seeing the lives that everyone else is trying to project. It's no wonder she's depressed as she is.

 

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« Reply #68 on: March 18, 2019, 12:13:40 PM »
I've posted maybe 5 photos to my Facebook page over the last year, and I think 4 of them were things I was 3D printing.   

I absolutely loathe what social media has become, and it's amazing how custom tailored it is to each users. I've mentioned here before that I did a massive purge of people from my friends list, and about 3 years ago began hiding anyone that posted anything even remotely political, regardless of what they were posting. Last week Victoria and I were comparing FB feeds. I scrolled past, and I shit you not, 44 posts until I found something posted by someone on my friend's list. She scrolled by 26 or 28 posts until she saw something that wasn't posted by someone on her friends list.

My feed was/is filled with nothing but monster trucks, battlebots, astronomy pages, RC club pages, meat smoking pages, 3D printing groups, and miniature modelling pages. Hers is nothing but a mashup of baby pictures, work out progress photos, vacation pics, pics from girls' nights out, engagement rings... that stuff, all from people on her friends list. There are nights where her eyes are locked on that fucking screen for hours, just moving her thumb up and down, seeing the lives that everyone else is trying to project. It's no wonder she's depressed as she is.

First, "meat smoking" is the best euphemism for online porn I've seen in a while.   :)   

Second, and far more seriously, my wife and I have really compatible personalities.   We hardly ever fight and rarely even disagree.   

The one real exception?  That fucking phone.   There are times when she'll just be on the phone, scrolling, for hours.   And it's a problem, for several reasons. 

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« Reply #69 on: March 18, 2019, 12:51:44 PM »
I think there is a kernel of really profound truth in that second paragraph.   I don't quite feel we've adopted a "gullible" attitude; I don't think people are "falling for" things, per se.  But I do think that some have "gamed" the system in a way, by turning it into a personal MORAL failure to be critical (in the classic sense) of facts.    I don't know why ANYONE wouldn't be apoplectic over the vernacular "MY truth".  There is no "my truth".   When I see "my truth" I see bullying, I see marketing, I see deception.   To varying degrees, I grant you, but I see a way of warping the perception of the message.   If I'm right, if my information has veracity, I shouldn't have to couch it with the warning that this is "my truth", and wrap it with the Kevlar that social media has provided us for "opinions".   

That's the biggest "sin" of social media, if you ask me.  It used to be that "opinions were like assholes; everyone's got one", the "asshole" analogy being apt, because it implicitly said that opinions were best kept to oneself.  Not today; we have to declare everything, and we're at the point now - see the "New Zealand" discussion in another thread - where if you DON'T declare your opinion for all to see, you're branded, factually, with an adverse position. Think about that; you're being judged if you DON'T take, actively, the position perceived as "right" by the audience in question.

That should bother some of you a lot more than it apparently does.

but what I don't like about your approach is you seem to turn it right back around into shaming people for just HAVING an opinion.