Author Topic: 1988: Seventh Son vs. Mindcrime vs. Justice? (Read 3833 times)

sfam2112 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 27, 2018, 10:21:05 PM »

Love all three of those but going with Mindcrime.

CrimsonSunrise · « **Reply #36 on:** March 27, 2018, 11:39:15 PM »

1. OM
2. AJFA
3. 7th Son

IDontNotDoThings · « **Reply #37 on:** March 28, 2018, 12:05:36 AM »

Keeper of the seven keys part 2

gazinwales · « **Reply #38 on:** March 28, 2018, 01:20:39 AM »

Seventh Son, Mindcrime is a great album but I always though it's predecessor Rage For Order was far more progressive and a better album.

Cruithne · « **Reply #39 on:** March 28, 2018, 01:30:09 AM »

Mindcrime is my favourite album of all time so the vote's a no-brainer for me

However, the other two are also great albums. AJFA is my favourite Metallica album and whilst SSoaSS isn't my favourite Maiden album I do think it's their best sounding and has several excellent tracks.

a51502112 · « **Reply #40 on:** March 28, 2018, 06:12:11 AM »

ChuckSteak you're my hero. Voivod is in my top 5 bands.

As for the poll, AJFA.
Coincidently, I saw Queensryche open for Metallica on the Justice tour at Maple Leaf Gardens.
Thought it was an odd pairing.

Tomislav95 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 28, 2018, 06:16:42 AM »

Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. It was tight race between it and Justice but I think I like SS a bit more. O:M is great album as well but I'm not fan of the band at all.

ChuckSteak · « **Reply #42 on:** March 28, 2018, 06:20:09 AM »

Quote from: a51502112 on March 28, 2018, 06:12:11 AM

ChuckSteak you're my hero. Voivod is in my top 5 bands.

As for the poll, AJFA.
Coincidently, I saw Queensryche open for Metallica on the Justice tour at Maple Leaf Gardens.
Thought it was an odd pairing.

Voivod rules the universe.

kaos2900 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:47:01 AM »

1. SSOSS
2. Justice
3. Mindcrime

Love all 3 albums but I like Iron Maiden more than Metallica and Mindcrime is really the only Queensryche album I like.

Podaar · « **Reply #44 on:** March 28, 2018, 07:52:19 AM »

...and Justice for All

Enigmachine · « **Reply #45 on:** March 28, 2018, 08:47:02 AM »

Mindcrime, Seventh Son, then Justice. The concept in Mindcrime is just so strong and the pacing is great. Seventh Son just kind of trucks along after the first half and the production in Justice alone makes it incomparable with the other two.

Stadler · « **Reply #46 on:** March 28, 2018, 09:41:04 AM »

Why the diss on Jimmy Bain? What did he do to you? He's at least better than Bob Daisley.

This is hard. MAIDEN is my band. So there's that. Mindcrime is almost the perfect album, and certainly one of the best prog metal concept albums ever. ...Justice is far and away my favorite of the pre-Black Metallica (and a top three Met album over all). Fuck.

I have to stay faithful to the poll, though. I guess that means Queensryche.

But:
Bandwise: Maiden>>Metallica>>Queensryche
Sentimental: Maiden>>Queensryche>>Metallica
Specific SONGS: Maiden>>Queensryche>> Metallica
Specific Album: Queensryche>>Maiden>>Metallica
Cover: Maiden>>Metallica>>Queensryche
B-Sides: Maiden

... no, can't do it. Maiden. Seventh Son.

pg1067 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:01:52 AM »

Quote from: pg1067 on March 27, 2018, 03:16:35 PM

Quote from: MirrorMask on March 27, 2018, 12:54:18 PM
Quote from: pg1067 on March 27, 2018, 12:19:46 PM
SSoaSS has one stellar song (the title track), two solid songs (Moonchild and Madness) and five songs that are mostly forgettable.

Whaaat? the easy sounding, almost poppish Can I Play with Madness (btw, I love the song) better than Infinite Dreams, The Evil that Men Do or The Clairvoyant?

"Solid" is not exactly a big compliment. Jimmy Bain was a "solid" bass player. As far as the other songs go, Infinite Dreams is what would have happened if a lounge singer joined Maiden. The Clairvoyant was the song that told me Maiden had basically tapped out on new, fresh ideas, and the chorus is just silly. The Evil That Men Do is probably the best of the three you mentioned, and maybe a notch below Madness. SSoaSS just fell flat and was completely overshadowed when by Mindcrime came out three weeks later. If the title track is a 10, Moonchild is a 6, Madness a 5, Evil a 4, and everything else a 3 or worse.

So...I gave a listen to SSoaSS (up through the title track). I didn't give Moonchild enough credit. It's better than "solid" and more than one notch better than Madness - maybe a 7.5 or 8. I might also say that Infinite Dreams is Slightly better than Evil. But Mindcrime is still a better album overall.

Samsara · « **Reply #48 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:26:11 AM »

Dickinson himself has said Queensryche made the better concept record with Mindcrime (in comparison to SSOASS).

bosk1 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 28, 2018, 10:59:24 AM »

Sentences that use "prog" with reference to Queensryche or Maiden make me want to hit my head against a wall.

Samsara · « **Reply #50 on:** March 28, 2018, 11:47:08 AM »

Quote from: bosk1 on March 28, 2018, 10:59:24 AM

Sentences that use "prog" with reference to Queensryche or Maiden make me want to hit my head against a wall.

Stop. Before. We go. Down the. what is prog hole. Again.

TAC · « **Reply #51 on:** March 28, 2018, 02:57:29 PM »

Quote from: Samsara on March 28, 2018, 10:26:11 AM

Dickinson himself has said Queensryche made the better concept record with Mindcrime (in comparison to SSOASS).

Yeah Sam, I've mentioned this before, but I know I read an interview not long after both albums came out where a member of Maiden, may have been Bruce, absolutely said it. Back then.

Samsara · « **Reply #52 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:21:27 PM »

Quote from: TAC on March 28, 2018, 02:57:29 PM

Yeah Sam, I've mentioned this before, but I know I read an interview not long after both albums came out where a member of Maiden, may have been Bruce, absolutely said it. Back then.

Yep!

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Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden told Maiden leader Steve Harris that Operation: Mindcrime was better than Iron Maiden's concept record Seventh Son of a Seventh Son (Harris disagreed, obviously). See https://teamrock.com/feature/2015-09-04/iron-maiden-album-by-album-in-their-own-words.

re: https://anybodylistening.net/operationmindcrime.html

pg1067 · « **Reply #53 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:22:45 PM »

Quote from: TAC on March 28, 2018, 02:57:29 PM

Quote from: Samsara on March 28, 2018, 10:26:11 AM
Dickinson himself has said Queensryche made the better concept record with Mindcrime (in comparison to SSOASS).

Yeah Sam, I've mentioned this before, but I know I read an interview not long after both albums came out where a member of Maiden, may have been Bruce, absolutely said it. Back then.

Steve Harris is quoted here ( https://www.loudersound.com/features/iron-maiden-album-by-album-in-their-own-words ) as saying that Bruce told him that O:M was the better concept album. While Steve's statement doesn't say WHEN Bruce told him this, the context seems to imply it happened shortly after both albums had been released.

TAC · « **Reply #54 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:34:01 PM »

Yes I remember reading it right after the albums were released.

cramx3 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 28, 2018, 03:34:32 PM »

Of course OM was a better concept album as in it was a pretty coherent story whereas SSoaSS was a borderline concept album.

Nick · « **Reply #56 on:** March 28, 2018, 04:28:08 PM »

X metal album vs. Mindcrime.

Mindcrime.

It's always Mindcrime.

TAC · « **Reply #57 on:** March 28, 2018, 04:29:58 PM »

X metal album wasn't a choice though.

Peter Mc · « **Reply #58 on:** March 29, 2018, 06:12:42 AM »

The only album which has possibly toppled Mindcrime as my favourite album of all time is Images and Words so it's pretty easy for me to say Operation Mindcrime. Incredible music, performances and lyrics (which could have been pretty much written today), the perfect album. Not a big Metallica guy and not very familiar with that album other than I think it has the song One on it, which I do like. Seventh Son is a classic Maiden album and I love a lot of it but it is not on the same level as Mindcrime for me, very little is.

Mladen · « **Reply #59 on:** March 29, 2018, 06:25:39 AM »

Justice

Seventh son is also 10/10, though. Mindcrime is great, too.

ZKX-2099 · « **Reply #60 on:** March 29, 2018, 06:55:31 AM »

Quote from: IDontNotDoThings on March 28, 2018, 12:05:36 AM

Keeper of the seven keys part 2

MirrorMask · « **Reply #61 on:** March 29, 2018, 06:59:00 AM »

In the same year we got Seventh Son AND Mindcrime AND Justice AND Keeper II. What an absurdingly glorious year that was.

kaos2900 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 29, 2018, 07:46:43 AM »

It's interesting to think that I was 4 years old in 1988 and all 3 albums impacted me 15+ years after they were released. I'm guessing they are still impacting people today.

Samsara · « **Reply #63 on:** March 29, 2018, 07:49:24 AM »

Quote from: Nick on March 28, 2018, 04:28:08 PM

X metal album vs. Mindcrime.

Mindcrime.

It's always Mindcrime.

Bless you, my son. -- Father William

Re: KEEPER II -- I totally forgot that was 1988. Damn. That's four landmarks. And I am also a big fan of Living Colour's Vivid, so for me, FIVE. Christ. What a great year in music.

pg1067 · « **Reply #64 on:** March 29, 2018, 11:58:05 AM »

Quote from: Nick on March 28, 2018, 04:28:08 PM

X metal album vs. Mindcrime.

Mindcrime.

It's always Mindcrime.

I wasn't aware that X ever did a metal album. Is it any good?

Quote from: Samsara on March 29, 2018, 07:49:24 AM

Re: KEEPER II -- I totally forgot that was 1988. Damn. That's four landmarks.

What an amazing album Keeper II is (although it does have a couple duds)! I was so excited when I saw that it had a song of comparable length to Halloween and even more excited when I heard the song and it lived up to my expectations. I have a friend who graduated high school in 1989, and she said that I Want Out was basically the senior class anthem.

For me, the top 5 1988 albums are

1. Mindcrime
2. No Exit
3. Justice
4. Keeper II
T5. SSoaSS and Ram It Down

After that, there's a BIG drop off.

TAC · « **Reply #65 on:** March 29, 2018, 05:47:08 PM »

Quote from: TAC on March 27, 2018, 12:28:20 PM

According to The TAC Top 50:

Seventh Son-15
Justice-28
Mindcrime-33

Keepers Pt II came in at #4.

I love love love those 2 Keepers albums.

IDontNotDoThings · « **Reply #66 on:** March 29, 2018, 05:57:26 PM »

For real though, my opinion is actually Mindcrime > Seven Keys > Seventh Son > Justice

Also out of curiosity, I looked up what RYM's top 10 metal albums of '88 were (to see if there were any we forgot), & here are the results there:
#1. Metallica - ...& Justice For All
#2. Iron Maiden - Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son
#3. Slayer - South Of Heaven
#4. Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime
#5. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
#6. Helloween - Keeper Of The Seven Keys Part 2
#7. Death - Leprosy
#8. Voivod - Dimension Hatross
#9. Testament - The New Order
10. Riot - Thundersteel
(11. Crimson Glory - Transcendence)

I haven't heard any of these apart from the 4 mentioned above, but to anyone who has, are any of these worthy competitors too?

TAC · « **Reply #67 on:** March 29, 2018, 06:04:53 PM »

I actually had 5 albums from 1988 in my Top 50.

I rated Flotsam & Jetsam's No Place For Disgrace at 38.

Oh, and South Of Heaven is awesome!!

MirrorMask · « **Reply #68 on:** March 30, 2018, 01:06:21 AM »

For epic metal fans, 1988 saw also Manowar's Kings of Metal and Virgin Steele's Age of Consent.

Kwyjibo · « **Reply #69 on:** March 30, 2018, 01:56:25 AM »

Quote from: TAC on March 29, 2018, 06:04:53 PM

Oh, and South Of Heaven is awesome!!

I second that.

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