2018 NFL Thread - The Dynasty

[TAC]

So I'm watching the Saints and I got to thinking. If Drew Brees is so great, and Sean Payton is such a great coach, why have they only averaged a 9-7 record together (not including the year Payton was suspended)? They've only won their division 4 times! Those 11 seasons includes 5 losing seasons, and only making the playoffs in 6 of them, making the NFC Championship game only twice??

[KevShmev]

So I'm watching the Saints and I got to thinking. If Drew Brees is so great, and Sean Payton is such a great coach, why have they only averaged a 9-7 record together (not including the year Payton was suspended)? They've only won their division 4 times! Those 11 seasons includes 5 losing seasons, and only making the playoffs in 6 of them, making the NFC Championship game only twice??

a) they play in a real division (not the Charmin soft AFC East)
b) their defense has stunk more often than not
c) Payton is what I would call a good head coach (not great)

[King Postwhore]

D)  Balance on both sides of the ball wins championships and they haven't had that.

[KevShmev]

Down 24-17, the Ravens score a TD at the end...and Justin Tucker missed the extra point, the first missed XP of his career.

Looking at the replay, it almost looks like the wind kicked in at just the wrong time and jerked it wide.  It was dead straight about halfway there.  Crazy.

[TAC]

E) Only Kev could turn a comment about the Saints into shot at the Patriots.

b) their defense has stunk more often than not
c) Payton is what I would call a good head coach (not great)

So, how good is he?

Personally, I think Brees is excellent, But I personally consider Payton vastly overrated, and frankly I'm shocked he still has a job. Brees' career has been wasted under Payton. He should've won a LOT more.

[King Postwhore]

Kev, I missed that. I need to see the highlights.   Damn.

[KevShmev]

Personally, I think Brees is excellent, But I personally consider Payton vastly overrated, and frankly I'm shocked he still has a job. Brees' career has been wasted under Payton. He should've won a LOT more.

Agreed.  It goes without saying that Brees and Payton have both benefited by working with the other, but while Payton will merely go down as a good head coach, Brees will go down as an all-time great QB.

For my money, since I have been watching football since around 1984/1985, the three best QB's I have seen (taking greatness and longevity into account) are without a doubt (in no specific order):

Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady

The next tier would be:

Steve Young
John Elway
Aaron Rodgers
Drew Brees
Dan Marino
Brett Favre

[TAC]

For my money, since I have been watching football since around 1984/1985, the three best QB's I have seen (taking greatness and longevity into account) are without a doubt (in no specific order):

Joe Montana
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady

Oh man, that hurt just reading that. Did you have to have someone else type that?

[King Postwhore]

Holy shit Dallas!!!!!

[KevShmev]

Holy shit Dallas!!!!!

 

Oh man, that hurt just reading that. Did you have to have someone else type that?

  I might not like the Patriots, and I might take some good natured shots, but I would never deny the greatness of both Brady and Belichick.

[King Postwhore]

I peed my pants a little reading that.

[El Barto]

Jason Garrett's a pussy. Dallas should have been playing for a touchdown on that drive. FG for the tie is a fallback option, not the goal.

[King Postwhore]

I was thinking the same thing about the TD.

[KevShmev]

I enjoyed the shot of Jerry Jones and his cronies after the missed field goal.

[TAC]

Aren't the Bengals supposed to actually COVER the Chiefs' receivers?

[Destiny Of Chaos]

They can try

[KevShmev]

Too many weapons, Reid is a great play caller, and Mahomes is the real deal.

[Dream Team]

Heaven forbid he could throw one to Watkins so I could win in fantasy.

[Dream Team]

Against the worst D in the league, Dalton is 8 of 15 for 31 yds when targeting receivers not named AJ Green.

[Dublagent66]

Jason Garrett's a pussy. Dallas should have been playing for a touchdown on that drive. FG for the tie is a fallback option, not the goal.

Well, that's a given but I thought you said that offensive play calling was on the OC, not the HC. 

I enjoyed the shot of Jerry Jones and his cronies after the missed field goal.

I wonder what their faces looked like when they found out it was a bad call by the ref to set them back 5 yards.  The FG might've been good otherwise.

Too many weapons, Reid is a great play caller, and Mahomes is the real deal.

That's what they said about Dak Prescott.  Give him a couple years and we'll see how he adjusts to having a completely different team around him.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Lol no.....Dak had some hype his rookie but no one with basic football knowledge had him anywhere near the stratosphere that Mahomes currently and justifiably resides.

[El Barto]

Jason Garrett's a pussy. Dallas should have been playing for a touchdown on that drive. FG for the tie is a fallback option, not the goal.

Well, that's a given but I thought you said that offensive play calling was on the OC, not the HC. 

Point well taken. But there is a difference. I have to think JG could at least say "hey, we need to be really aggressive here" or something like that. His job for 3 hours a week is to manage games. Kev suggested it was to call plays. The criticism I made involves both.

[Dublagent66]

Lol no.....Dak had some hype his rookie but no one with basic football knowledge had him anywhere near the stratosphere that Mahomes currently and justifiably resides.

I disagree about Dak.  It was a lot more than just hype and it's too early to tell about Mahomes.

[KevShmev]

While there are definitely plenty of examples of quarterbacks who made big splashes and then regressed big time once the league figured them - *cough* Colin Kaepernick *cough* - I don't think Mahomes will be one of them.  I have noticed he is doing a lot of the little things that you expect out of a great QB eventually, and he is doing them already.  While very different quarterbacks, this reminds me of the Kurt Warner explosion in 1999, with a first year starter crushing the league with an offense loaded with stars and a great play caller.

[King Postwhore]

Also, he is in a place of good structure.   That helps as well.

[KevShmev]

Agreed. Drew Brees was on Cowherd's show last week and said how his focus was always on going to a good organization, rather than "being as drafted as high as possible."  Some guys want the glory of going number 1, but what good does that do if you go to a clueless organization? 

[King Postwhore]

Yup.  Stability breads longevity.

[Cool Chris]

Some guys want the glory of going number 1, but what good does that do if you go to a clueless organization? 

Bigger paycheck, more endorsement deals, higher cred with opposing players, etc.....

[PowerSlave]

Some guys want the glory of going number 1, but what good does that do if you go to a clueless organization? 

Bigger paycheck, more endorsement deals, higher cred with opposing players, etc.....

Not when the Browns are drafting at the one spot...

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Get your boy, resident Bronco fans!

[/According to court records, a man and woman told police a man came into their home uninvited after 1 a.m. Tuesday and sat down on the couch "mumbling incoherently."

The records say the man chased the intruder out, striking him in the back with a vacuum tube.
quote]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25062867/broncos-backup-qb-chad-kelly-arrested-trespassing-case

[pg1067]

Get your boy, resident Bronco fans!

[/According to court records, a man and woman told police a man came into their home uninvited after 1 a.m. Tuesday and sat down on the couch "mumbling incoherently."

The records say the man chased the intruder out, striking him in the back with a vacuum tube.
quote]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25062867/broncos-backup-qb-chad-kelly-arrested-trespassing-case

That's just a weird story:  "According to court records, a man and a woman told police that a stranger came into their Englewood home after 1 a.m. The intruder sat down on the couch next to the woman, who was holding the couple's young child, and was "mumbling incoherently," according to the records."  Nice that the article includes "according to court records" twice.

"The man yelled at the intruder to get out and hit him in the back with a vacuum tube."  A vacuum tube??!  In addition to (presumably) being drunk, did he also stumble back in time to when folks had vacuum tubes lying around their houses?

[KevShmev]

Pre-Week 8 Power Rankings
1. Rams - getting home field will guarantee that offense not having to endure bad weather playoff games
2. Chiefs - the most impressive all-around offense since the '99 Rams
3. Saints - huge road win over a good Ravens squad
4. Patriots - special teams made the difference in that one
5. Chargers - winning that type of game was odd, since they usually seem to lose those types of games
6. Ravens - lost a game in a way no one would have expected
7. Steelers - offense is humming, but will the defense be better after the bye week
8. Panthers - impressive 4th quarter comeback
9. Vikings - finally looking like the team most of us expected
10. Redskins - the best team no one is talking about

Trending up:
Texans - four straight wins
Lions - looking formidable after a rough start
Falcons - finally getting it together, but will it be too little too late?
Packers - time will tell if McCarthy can coach this team up at all
Bucs - finally stopped the bleeding

Trending down:
Jags - officially in free-fall
Raiders - traded Cooper and appear in the tank
Bears - have gone from looking like a possible contender to a team destined for .500
Eagles - 4th quarter collapse was shocking considering how good they looked for 3 quarters
Browns - remember when some (foolishly) thought they could win their division?

Top 5 MVP Contenders
1. Patrick Mahomes - the runaway winner at this point
2. Aaron Rodgers - will need some help from his teammates to make the playoffs in an NFC which is finally looking strong
3. Todd Gurley - putting together an historic season
4. Drew Brees - money no matter where he plays
5. Philip Rivers - continues to play extremely well and make use of all of his weapons

[El Barto]

"The man yelled at the intruder to get out and hit him in the back with a vacuum tube."  A vacuum tube??!  In addition to (presumably) being drunk, did he also stumble back in time to when folks had vacuum tubes lying around their houses?

What's funny is that I interpreted that differently. I figured it was referring to a tube from a vacuum cleaner. What's even funnier is that I have no idea which one would be a more hysterical weapon for home defense. There's something comically absurd about whipping out a thermionic tube to beat somebody with. It's about as predictable as pulling a cat out of your pocket and hurling it at him. Yet there's the sight-gag aspect for the vacuum cleaner hose. It's not going to hurt anybody but you can swing it enough to confuse the bejeezus out of him and probably scare him off. And ideally it makes a wonderful swooshing noise every time you bring it down. 

[TAC]

 

[pg1067]

"The man yelled at the intruder to get out and hit him in the back with a vacuum tube."  A vacuum tube??!  In addition to (presumably) being drunk, did he also stumble back in time to when folks had vacuum tubes lying around their houses?

What's funny is that I interpreted that differently. I figured it was referring to a tube from a vacuum cleaner. What's even funnier is that I have no idea which one would be a more hysterical weapon for home defense. There's something comically absurd about whipping out a thermionic tube to beat somebody with. It's about as predictable as pulling a cat out of your pocket and hurling it at him. Yet there's the sight-gag aspect for the vacuum cleaner hose. It's not going to hurt anybody but you can swing it enough to confuse the bejeezus out of him and probably scare him off. And ideally it makes a wonderful swooshing noise every time you bring it down.