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Arizona Cardinals
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Atlanta Falcons
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Chicago Bears
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Green Bay Packers
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Houston Texans
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Los Angeles Chargers
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Los Angeles Rams
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Miami Dolphins
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New England Patriots
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New Orleans Saints
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Philadelphia Eagles
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San Francisco 49ers
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #595 on: May 09, 2018, 12:52:20 PM »
I always thought first ballot meant a little higher honor than just HOF.  To me, it means something.  It means there was little to no doubt you were HOF worthy.

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #596 on: May 09, 2018, 01:05:34 PM »
It means some douche makes a conscious decision not to vote for a worthy candidate just because.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #597 on: May 09, 2018, 03:37:09 PM »
It means some douche makes a conscious decision not to vote for a worthy candidate just because.
Yeah, in principle I'm inclined to agree. It should mean something to us, the outsiders. It shouldn't mean anything to the people who actually do the voting. "Here are 15 names. Pick five." The only exception I'd see is making somebody wait a year because they were a dick. TO and Charles Hayley both deserved to get in, I think everybody recognized that, but making them wait a bit didn't bother me to much under the circumstances.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #598 on: May 09, 2018, 03:58:47 PM »
There are only Hall of Famers.  There's no distinction between a "first ballot" guy and someone who took a while to get in.

He certainly wasn't the best tight end ever and maybe was never the best tight end any year he played, but dude is unquestionably a HoF'er.  The fact that he played at the same time as four other guys who are also HoF'ers doesn't change that.
I read an article about this very thing last week. Among the voting members there's a very solid difference of opinion on that. To the tune of about 50/50. Some view it as you do. Others think there's a very specific honor to being first balloter and will vote accordingly to make you wait if they find you unworthy of that honor.

They're also split on Witten in that regard.

Well...I don't vote, so my take on it ultimately doesn't matter.  I think it's probably also a little different in the NFL where I believe the number of persons one can vote for is severely restricted.  Certainly, if you can only vote for seven players and there are ten eligible players one thinks are worthy, then some prioritizing needs to happen.


It means some douche makes a conscious decision not to vote for a worthy candidate just because.

This is the other side of the coin, if there are only six players that a given voter believes are worthy and that voter doesn't vote for Billy Joe Jim Bob because the voter doesn't think BJJB is a "first-ballot Hall of Famer," then I'd agree that the voter is being a dick.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #599 on: May 10, 2018, 07:43:16 AM »
If Cam Newton married Todd Gurley, his new name would sound like the online handle of some 20 year old girl with her own pay site.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #600 on: May 10, 2018, 09:05:03 AM »
If Cam Newton married Todd Gurley, his new name would sound like the online handle of some 20 year old girl with her own pay site.

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #601 on: May 10, 2018, 09:39:01 AM »
Booger McFarland? Seriously? Why don't' they just pair him with Lewis Bile, Steven Smegma and Willie 'Dingle-berry' McNeil?
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #603 on: May 16, 2018, 01:22:10 PM »
Oh yay, the degenerates got their way and legalized gambling. Now instead of just worrying about the refs and the league being in on the fix I have to worry about the players keeping their integrity. There are gonna be offers too big to turn down.

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #604 on: May 16, 2018, 01:37:54 PM »
Oh yay, the degenerates got their way and legalized gambling. Now instead of just worrying about the refs and the league being in on the fix I have to worry about the players keeping their integrity. There are gonna be offers too big to turn down.

I've gone back and forth on this point.  But honestly?   I'm at the point now that I think if they were going to be on the take, they were already.  That NBA ref?  Remember him?  Pete Rose?  I have a friend who is a very big wig at a casino near me, and seeing how they operate, I can't help but thinking that the legalization is going to do more to drive out the kind of people that would shake down a player or ref than it is going to invite more of that.  Why gamble with a guy running a book out of his car when you can stroll into Foxwoods Casino, have a meal at Cedar's Steakhouse and Oyster Bar, and put $500 on the Patriots to cover the spread Sunday.

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #605 on: May 16, 2018, 01:46:00 PM »
I'm not sure how much it changes things with regards to the professional players.  The incentive has always been there and some have done it without legalization.  I'm not really sure the incentive is that good for a player though.  They already make a lot of money.  I worry more about the collegiate level, but we'll see.  I'm not going be upset unless this turns into a problem.  Also labelling anyone who would want to gamble a degenerate is a bit rough.  I'm not a gambler, but I have bet on a few games before when I was in Vegas.  I don't think I am a degenerate.  I could see myself doing the same if I go down to AC.

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #606 on: May 16, 2018, 07:35:46 PM »
I'm not sure how much it changes things with regards to the professional players.  The incentive has always been there and some have done it without legalization.  I'm not really sure the incentive is that good for a player though.  They already make a lot of money.  I worry more about the collegiate level, but we'll see.  I'm not going be upset unless this turns into a problem.  Also labelling anyone who would want to gamble a degenerate is a bit rough.  I'm not a gambler, but I have bet on a few games before when I was in Vegas.  I don't think I am a degenerate. I could see myself doing the same if I go down to AC.

Agreed.  Aside from fantasy football, I have not bet on football since the late 90s, with the exception of one game (I bet $50 on NE over Seattle in the SB a few years back, it was a pick 'em), but I simply stopped betting because I would only bet $25-50 on a few games per week, and if I lost, I was bummed about losing x-amount of money, and if I won, the little money I won wasn't worth the stress. :lol :lol

Honestly, I think legalizing gambling will just make it easier for pre-existing gamblers to gamble.  I doubt a lot of non-gamblers are suddenly going to turn into one.

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« Reply #607 on: May 16, 2018, 08:05:20 PM »
I would say a high percentage will not do it the legal way for tax purposes.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #608 on: May 17, 2018, 07:58:58 AM »
I'm not sure how much it changes things with regards to the professional players.  The incentive has always been there and some have done it without legalization.  I'm not really sure the incentive is that good for a player though.  They already make a lot of money.  I worry more about the collegiate level, but we'll see.  I'm not going be upset unless this turns into a problem.  Also labelling anyone who would want to gamble a degenerate is a bit rough.  I'm not a gambler, but I have bet on a few games before when I was in Vegas.  I don't think I am a degenerate. I could see myself doing the same if I go down to AC.

Agreed.  Aside from fantasy football, I have not bet on football since the late 90s, with the exception of one game (I bet $50 on NE over Seattle in the SB a few years back, it was a pick 'em), but I simply stopped betting because I would only bet $25-50 on a few games per week, and if I lost, I was bummed about losing x-amount of money, and if I won, the little money I won wasn't worth the stress. :lol :lol

I've twice gone to Vegas on football weekends where both the Giants and PSU played.  My teams, and I bet on them and won both times.  I should parlay that next time I am out there.  I know people say don't bet on your teams, but I don't typically bet.  It was more of a situation where I was going to watch those games anyway so putting some money while in Vegas just added a little bit more fun to the atmosphere.  And I must say, the atmosphere in a sports book in a big casino on game day is quite fun.  Either way, I definitely remember some guys in the area who I talked to and would probably think of as "degenerate gambler" but there were plenty of others just like myself having a one off good time experience. 


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« Reply #609 on: May 17, 2018, 07:02:49 PM »
Some of the older football fans here might remember the Chargers run to the Super Bowl in 1994.

Well, in the divisional round, their game vs Miami was the last of the four, and since the home team won and covered the first three and all three games went over the totals, I decided to be clever and bet the road team (Miami +2), the under (45) and then parlay it as well. 

Final score: Chargers 22, Miami 21

And Miami missed a long FG at the end that would have won it.  I was yelling miss it at the TV like you wouldn't believe (since a 24-22 final would have killed both my under and parlay bets).  :biggrin: :lol :lol

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« Reply #610 on: May 17, 2018, 08:35:08 PM »
So how much did you end up winning?  :lol

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« Reply #611 on: May 18, 2018, 04:52:00 AM »
Some of the older football fans here might remember the Chargers run to the Super Bowl in 1994.

Well, in the divisional round, their game vs Miami was the last of the four, and since the home team won and covered the first three and all three games went over the totals, I decided to be clever and bet the road team (Miami +2), the under (45) and then parlay it as well. 

Final score: Chargers 22, Miami 21

And Miami missed a long FG at the end that would have won it.  I was yelling miss it at the TV like you wouldn't believe (since a 24-22 final would have killed both my under and parlay bets).  :biggrin: :lol :lol

That's awesome! I remember the game, but was too young to appreciate it from a betting man's perspective.

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« Reply #612 on: May 21, 2018, 12:24:07 PM »
this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Phase three of the OTAs begins today, where O and D line up against each other and run some plays. This is when a QB gets to throw to his receivers and build some chemistry. Considering how important that chemistry is to Brady, not being there for this aspect is troubling. As great as he is he's not one that can just plug in a new receiver and start hitting him. Aside from the youngsters they've picked up, he's got Patterson, Britt, and Matthews, as well as Dorsette who he still hasn't really connected with. Dude should fucking well be there, mandatory or not. Team captain? Really?

God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #613 on: May 21, 2018, 01:32:45 PM »
Some of the older football fans here might remember the Chargers run to the Super Bowl in 1994.

Well, in the divisional round, their game vs Miami was the last of the four, and since the home team won and covered the first three and all three games went over the totals, I decided to be clever and bet the road team (Miami +2), the under (45) and then parlay it as well. 

Final score: Chargers 22, Miami 21

And Miami missed a long FG at the end that would have won it.  I was yelling miss it at the TV like you wouldn't believe (since a 24-22 final would have killed both my under and parlay bets).  :biggrin: :lol :lol

That's awesome! I remember the game, but was too young to appreciate it from a betting man's perspective.

DUDE i was at that game!! i was just a kid but that season and that game in particular made me a chargers fan for life!

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« Reply #614 on: May 21, 2018, 01:54:09 PM »
this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Phase three of the OTAs begins today, where O and D line up against each other and run some plays. This is when a QB gets to throw to his receivers and build some chemistry. Considering how important that chemistry is to Brady, not being there for this aspect is troubling. As great as he is he's not one that can just plug in a new receiver and start hitting him. Aside from the youngsters they've picked up, he's got Patterson, Britt, and Matthews, as well as Dorsette who he still hasn't really connected with. Dude should fucking well be there, mandatory or not. Team captain? Really?

God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.

I'm still not worried. 
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Trades and FA Madness
« Reply #615 on: May 21, 2018, 03:09:15 PM »
this is not the first time he's missed the first voluntary practices which is all about weight lifting goes against everything he does it is TB12 method. This is no surprise. When we get to the mandatory and they actually start throwing and he's not there, then I worry.
Phase three of the OTAs begins today, where O and D line up against each other and run some plays. This is when a QB gets to throw to his receivers and build some chemistry. Considering how important that chemistry is to Brady, not being there for this aspect is troubling. As great as he is he's not one that can just plug in a new receiver and start hitting him. Aside from the youngsters they've picked up, he's got Patterson, Britt, and Matthews, as well as Dorsette who he still hasn't really connected with. Dude should fucking well be there, mandatory or not. Team captain? Really?

God damn I wish they'd kept Garopollo. I'd really like to see this team moving forward, and it just doesn't seem to be happening.

I'm still not worried.
I'm more disappointed than worried. He and Gronk are both looking to me pretty childish.
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« Reply #616 on: May 21, 2018, 03:16:48 PM »
That I agree with.  The problem with this team is you never know the behind the scenes meetings. 
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« Reply #617 on: May 21, 2018, 03:33:18 PM »
The report is that Gronk can't renew his contract until the 24th. He'll be in after that. Remember there was a Gronk summit a few weeks ago.
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« Reply #618 on: May 21, 2018, 05:01:56 PM »
Gronk summit.  On Shaq's shoulders.   :lol
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« Reply #619 on: May 21, 2018, 05:07:16 PM »
He's still under contract, is he not? Him skipping out is a little less concerning, he doens't need to develop timing with TB, but he should still demonstrate a bit of loyalty. Honestly, it's their attitudes that bug me. They just stick out as two guys really looking to rock the boat a bit.
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« Reply #620 on: May 21, 2018, 05:19:20 PM »
Why are these things labeled "voluntary" if folks are going to get bent out of shape when folks skip them?  If they're really "voluntary," then skipping them shouldn't be an issue, and if skipping them is a problem, then stop calling them "voluntary."

There...I feel better now.
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« Reply #621 on: May 21, 2018, 05:24:14 PM »
Gronk is upset because it was incentive laced contract.  So he has a guy to keep him on the field (Guerrero) so that affects his bottom line so he wants the contract restructured.
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« Reply #622 on: May 21, 2018, 06:50:46 PM »
Why are these things labeled "voluntary" if folks are going to get bent out of shape when folks skip them?  If they're really "voluntary," then skipping them shouldn't be an issue, and if skipping them is a problem, then stop calling them "voluntary."

There...I feel better now.
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« Reply #623 on: May 21, 2018, 06:54:54 PM »
If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.

Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #624 on: May 21, 2018, 08:38:57 PM »
Looks like the Niners caught a huge break in the Foster situation. Not just in that it looks like he is, at least mostly, innocent, but in that pushing him to the side while the legalities played out seemed to be the right call. Still aspects of the story I find unsettling, and I hope that there isn't some bigger cover up going on at this point, but things are looking better on that front.
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« Reply #625 on: May 21, 2018, 09:08:33 PM »
If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.

Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.

No it's not. Only the nuts calling sports radio say this. I hear most fans siding with Brady.  Why? Because fans question Belichick on the Butler benching.   

If Butler didn't play 98% of the plays durring the season people wouldn't have this doubt.
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« Reply #626 on: May 21, 2018, 10:11:45 PM »
If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.

Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.

No it's not. Only the nuts calling sports radio say this. I hear most fans siding with Brady.  Why? Because fans question Belichick on the Butler benching.   

If Butler didn't play 98% of the plays durring the season people wouldn't have this doubt.
Siding with the QB for being butthurt about a decision from last season? It shouldn't matter what anybody thinks of that decision. Is's the 2018 season. Act like a fucking professional. Or, lobby to become the next head coach. Either way if fine with me. But he's looking like a real jackass to me right now.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #627 on: May 22, 2018, 04:20:15 AM »
Both sides are at fault here but people have now questioned the coach because there has been no answer to why Butler was benched. 
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Witten Quittin'
« Reply #628 on: May 22, 2018, 05:36:44 AM »
I say, too bad. How many great decisions has Belichick made over the years that helped them win? More than we count. But now that he made one that didn’t, some are gonna throw a fit? Come on, now. It’s over. Move on.

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« Reply #629 on: May 22, 2018, 07:10:58 AM »
The thing is, I think looking at it through Brady's eyes, he looks at Guerrero as a necessary piece of his preparation, which in turn, benefits the team.

Brady has shown his teams what it means to be coachable, and by also taking hometown discounts to benefit the team. Brady likely views Guerrero's restriction as ultimately detrimental to the team via Brady's performance. And with the Butler benching, it can only make Brady more suspicious.

He is obviously openly rebelling against his coach.


If this was a QB in any other city, we'd be killing him.

Brady's slack with the fans is running out though. The fact that he coerced Kraft into ordering a Code Red on Jimmy G, you'd think he'd at least be respectful of Kraft here.

No it's not. Only the nuts calling sports radio say this. I hear most fans siding with Brady.  Why? Because fans question Belichick on the Butler benching.   

If Butler didn't play 98% of the plays durring the season people wouldn't have this doubt.

You hang with a bunch of yahoos.  ;D
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