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Who is your favorite NFL Team

Arizona Cardinals
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Atlanta Falcons
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Baltimore Ravens
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Buffalo Bills
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Carolina Panthers
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Chicago Bears
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Cincinnati Bengals
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Cleveland Browns
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Dallas Cowboys
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Denver Broncos
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Detroit Lions
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Green Bay Packers
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Houston Texans
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Indianapolis Colts
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Jacksonville Jaguars
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Kansas City Chiefs
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Los Angeles Chargers
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Los Angeles Rams
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Miami Dolphins
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Minnesota Vikings
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New England Patriots
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New Orleans Saints
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New York Giants
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New York Jets
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Oakland Raiders
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Philadelphia Eagles
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Pittsburgh Steelers
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San Francisco 49ers
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Seattle Seahawks
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Tampa Bay Buccaneers
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Tennessee Titans
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Washington Redskins
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #875 on: June 13, 2018, 08:02:05 AM »
I like the unis in the middle picture best.  DO NOT like the ones in the bottom.

Mt. Rushmore:  Kurt Warner (one of my favorite NFL players ever), Larry Fitzgerald, Dan Dierdorff, Ottis Anderson.  Honorable mention:  Pat Tillman, Jim Hart, Terry Metcalf, Conrad Dobler (Lloyd Dobler's dad), Jackie Smith and Roger Wehrli.

Carson Palmer doesn't make the list, because the Cardinals team under Bruce Arians could have been great, but I just don't think Palmer answered the bell, frankly. 

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« Reply #876 on: June 13, 2018, 11:11:29 AM »
We'll stick with the NFC West, as we move on to the teams with 2 league championships. Today we discuss the longest running professional football team in the United States, and one of only two NFL charter members still playing today.

The Arizona Cardinals, formally known as the Chicago/St.Louis/Phoenix Cardinals
2 League Championships (1925, 1947)

I don't know much about their pre-Phoenix days, so my Mount Rushmore would be Larry Fitzgerald, Kurt Warner, Aeneas Williams & Pat Tillman

Their uniforms are okay. Not bad, not great. Much preferred their look in the 90s/early 00s. 

Memorable games for me were the Super Bowl, their two recent playoff games against the Packers. And "We let 'em off the hook" game against Chicago in 2006.

Mt. Rushmore:  Larry Fitzgerald, Kurt Warner, Patrick Peterson and Dan Dierdorf/Conrad Dobler.  Roger Wehrli would be another good one.  As for Tillman, sorry, but there's no way a guy who only played 3 3/4 seasons belongs on a "Mt. Rushmore."

Memorable game:  Super Bowl 43 and not much else, although I remember really liking the way the Cardinals offense played in the late 1970s.  Jim Hart throwing to guys like Mel Gray (I only saw Terry Metcalf for one season before he left for the CFL and then his one year with the Redskins after he returned).
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #877 on: June 13, 2018, 11:20:07 AM »
Yeah... I spaced out on Peterson. He's better than Williams was.

And Pat Tillman deserves any love that he gets. Dude was a legit hero.

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #878 on: June 13, 2018, 11:28:53 AM »
And Pat Tillman deserves any love that he gets. Dude was a legit hero.

I'm hesitant to argue the point, and he deserves credit for what he was, but not for what he wasn't.  He had one slightly better than average season but was otherwise no better than an average player (and, again, one who played only 3 3/4 seasons and wasn't even a starter for half his career).
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #879 on: June 13, 2018, 11:45:14 AM »
And Pat Tillman deserves any love that he gets. Dude was a legit hero.

I'm hesitant to argue the point, and he deserves credit for what he was, but not for what he wasn't.  He had one slightly better than average season but was otherwise no better than an average player (and, again, one who played only 3 3/4 seasons and wasn't even a starter for half his career).

You're right. If the  Mount Rushmore is just on the field ability and accomplishments, he doesn't make the cut for sure.

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« Reply #880 on: June 13, 2018, 05:26:07 PM »
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #881 on: June 13, 2018, 05:46:37 PM »
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Charles Haley?
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #882 on: June 13, 2018, 05:48:41 PM »
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Charles Haley?

Eh, I think the Cowboys and 49ers franchises are way too storied for him to make it on either.

I thought about Deion Sanders, but there is no way I can put him on Dallas'. 

Apologies for jumping the gun on teams we have not discussed yet, DOC.

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #883 on: June 13, 2018, 06:32:07 PM »
Morten Andersen. An argument could be made for Peyton.

I think the problem is that it says more about the team than it does the player. SF and Dallas have huge histories of great players. Arizona not so much. While it's definitely not a knock on Kurt Warner, he played on two teams with smaller stables of greats.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #884 on: June 13, 2018, 10:21:57 PM »
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Charles Haley?

Eh, I think the Cowboys and 49ers franchises are way too storied for him to make it on either.

I thought about Deion Sanders, but there is no way I can put him on Dallas'. 

Apologies for jumping the gun on teams we have not discussed yet, DOC.

No need to apologize. Any discussion is welcome!

Morten Andersen. An argument could be made for Peyton.

I think the problem is that it says more about the team than it does the player. SF and Dallas have huge histories of great players. Arizona not so much. While it's definitely not a knock on Kurt Warner, he played on two teams with smaller stables of greats.

I agree with this. Depends on the teams. If Peyton Manning had led the Texans to a SB instead of going to Denver, he'd undoubtedly be on two Mount Rushmore.

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #885 on: June 14, 2018, 09:03:18 AM »
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Controversial pick to stimulate conversation:   Bill Romanowski.

Not controversial pick, but may not count because he's a coach:   Don Shula.


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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #886 on: June 14, 2018, 09:06:24 AM »
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Controversial pick to stimulate conversation:   Bill Romanowski.

Not controversial pick, but may not count because he's a coach:   Don Shula.

Shula's a great choice. Very important to both the Colts and the Dolphins.

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #887 on: June 14, 2018, 09:09:12 AM »
Morten Andersen. An argument could be made for Peyton.

I think the problem is that it says more about the team than it does the player. SF and Dallas have huge histories of great players. Arizona not so much. While it's definitely not a knock on Kurt Warner, he played on two teams with smaller stables of greats.

Not a good one.  Manning won't make the ring of honor in Denver, much less a hypothetical "Mt. Rushmore."

The relatively infrequency of player movement makes this a difficult question.  Without spending an inordinate amount of time on this, and other than the couple mentioned already, I also thought of Doug Williams, although putting him on the 'Skins' "Mt. Rushmore" would probably be a bit of a stretch.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #888 on: June 14, 2018, 09:17:44 AM »
Quick sidebar: aside from Kurt Warner, what are other NFL players have a strong argument for being on multiple Mount Rushmores?

Controversial pick to stimulate conversation:   Bill Romanowski.

Not controversial pick, but may not count because he's a coach:   Don Shula.

Shula's a great choice. Very important to both the Colts and the Dolphins.

Yup.  Good call.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #889 on: June 14, 2018, 09:25:21 AM »
Speaking of Shula......

Today's team, the Miami Dolphins
2 League Championships (1972, 1973)

Their perfect season is the stuff of legends. Marino was a monster in the 80s and just about all of the 90s. Since his departure, it's been bad times. A handful of playoff appearances and one playoff win that I can think of off the top of my head (over the Colts after the 2000 season).

My Mount Rushmore would be Don Shula, Dan Marino, Jason Taylor and Larry Csonka

Their classic uniforms are among my absolute favorite in professional sports history. Hate the modern tweaks.

Memorable games..... playoff games vs. the Chargers. A couple of regular season games vs. the Pats, particularly one in 2008 where they unveiled the "Wildcat".

As for the current Dolphins, I believe that they will have the worst record in the NFL in the upcoming season.










 

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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Arizona Cardinals
« Reply #890 on: June 14, 2018, 09:39:10 AM »
Speaking of Shula......

Today's team, the Miami Dolphins
2 League Championships (1972, 1973)

Their perfect season is the stuff of legends. Marino was a monster in the 80s and just about all of the 90s. Since his departure, it's been bad times. A handful of playoff appearances and one playoff win that I can think of off the top of my head (over the Colts after the 2000 season).

My Mount Rushmore would be Don Shula, Dan Marino, Jason Taylor and Larry Csonka

Their classic uniforms are among my absolute favorite in professional sports history. Hate the modern tweaks.

Memorable games..... playoff games vs. the Chargers. A couple of regular season games vs. the Pats, particularly one in 2008 where they unveiled the "Wildcat".

As for the current Dolphins, I believe that they will have the worst record in the NFL in the upcoming season.

Dan Marino and his GIANT shoulder pads!

Mt. Rushmore:  So many good ones that Marino is the only unassailable choice.  For the other three, I'll go with Bob Kuechenberg, Jake Scott and Larry Csonka.

Memorable games:  Super Bowls 7, 17 and 19 (7 was before my time but is notable for capping off the perfect season and for "Garo's Gaffe") and the 2OT playoff game against San Diego.  I rooted for the Dolphins in 17 and 19, mostly because I liked their style of play much better than that of the Redskins and 49ers.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
« Reply #891 on: June 14, 2018, 09:52:09 AM »
Grudgingly, I think Destiny got it.   Honorable mention to Griese, Stephenson, Buoniconti, the Dick's (Scott and Anderson) and all those amazing offensive lineman they had back in the 70's/early 80's.

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« Reply #892 on: June 14, 2018, 03:02:49 PM »




I legit laughed at this one.  Subtle but hilarious!!
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
« Reply #893 on: June 14, 2018, 03:05:17 PM »
Love Ray Finkle  :lol

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« Reply #894 on: June 14, 2018, 03:07:36 PM »
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« Reply #895 on: June 14, 2018, 03:14:56 PM »
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« Reply #896 on: June 14, 2018, 03:36:45 PM »
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« Reply #897 on: June 14, 2018, 03:50:01 PM »
Specifically came in here to say that Marino doesn't deserve to be on Mount Rushmore because he cost Miami a Super Bowl by not getting the laces out :lol
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« Reply #898 on: June 14, 2018, 07:23:32 PM »
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Miami Dolphins
« Reply #899 on: June 15, 2018, 11:16:53 AM »
Up next is the other 2 Championship team,

The Baltimore Ravens
2 League Championships (2000, 2012)

My Mount Rushmore would be Ray Lewis, John Ogden, Ed Reed & Joe Flacco

Love the jerseys. Prefer the original helmet to the current one.

Lots of memorable games for me, being a fan from 1996-2017. Two great super bowls... big road playoff wins @Tennessee, New England and Denver. Jamal Lewis rushing for 295 yards in a game in 2003. Seeing them practically beat the perfect Pats in 2007 only to see Rex Ryan single handedly cost them the game.










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« Reply #900 on: June 15, 2018, 11:53:19 AM »
I cant put Flacco on there. Despite his postseason play in 2012, hes never been anything more than an average at best nfl starter. Id put Suggs on there over him.

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« Reply #901 on: June 15, 2018, 12:20:16 PM »
A picture of Ray Lewis stabbing somebody would have been better.
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« Reply #902 on: June 15, 2018, 12:44:41 PM »
Up next is the other 2 Championship team,

The Baltimore Ravens
2 League Championships (2000, 2012)

My Mount Rushmore would be Ray Lewis, John Ogden, Ed Reed & Joe Flacco

Love the jerseys. Prefer the original helmet to the current one.

Lots of memorable games for me, being a fan from 1996-2017. Two great super bowls... big road playoff wins @Tennessee, New England and Denver. Jamal Lewis rushing for 295 yards in a game in 2003. Seeing them practically beat the perfect Pats in 2007 only to see Rex Ryan single handedly cost them the game.

I despise this team...primarily because of Ray Lewis.

Mt. Rushmore:  Lewis, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs and Joe Flacco (you could easily swap in Ogden for Flacco).

Memorable games (aside from the two Super Bowls):  the only one that comes to mind (sadly) is that 2013 playoff game in which Rahim Moore and the rest of the Broncos secondary decided to see if Flacco could hit an uncovered receiver 50 yards down the field (I assume that's the game where that picture came from).  I was so livid at that play!
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
« Reply #903 on: June 15, 2018, 01:20:28 PM »
A picture of Ray Lewis stabbing somebody would have been better.

Does such a picture exist?

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« Reply #904 on: June 15, 2018, 01:49:48 PM »
I didn't expect the murder would  be mentioned when Ray's name came up . And the victim was a fine upstanding pillar of the community just minding his own business.

Ed Reed , the greatest safety to ever play. Lewis , Reed , Suggs , Ogden. Honorable mention to Matt Stover.

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« Reply #905 on: June 15, 2018, 02:06:22 PM »
I cant put Flacco on there. Despite his postseason play in 2012, hes never been anything more than an average at best nfl starter. Id put Suggs on there over him.

Agreed, Flacco is terrible and the worst QB in the league when you balance pay vs production. A lucky 3-qame stretch cant put you on Rushmore.

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« Reply #906 on: June 15, 2018, 02:10:51 PM »
I'm indifferent to Ray Lewis.  I was living in Atlanta at the time (the site of the incident was reasonable driving distance from where my wife worked at the time, and we would on occasion hang out in that area, the "Buckhead" area of the city) and so it was a big deal.    Did he handle it right?   Not even close.  Did he ACTUALLY stab someone?  I tend to think not, given all the info that I've heard.  I don't know.  In the intervening 15 years or whatever, there have been a lot of incidents that sort of make this less than headline material, IMO.  On the field?  He's one of the best that ever played the game.   EVER. 

Mt. Rushmore:  Lewis, Reed, Suggs, Ogden, Flacco.    Flacco deserves to be there, but the other four are just SO good, how do you leave them off?    If I'm not allowed to squeeze the fifth Beatle on there, then it's the first four.

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« Reply #907 on: June 15, 2018, 02:10:57 PM »

Ed Reed , the greatest safety to ever play.

Jack Tatum, Ronnie Lott and Troy P. all dispute your claim. Don't get me wrong, he was awesome, but that's a bold statement.

The playoff games between this team and the Steelers were some of the most brutal, and memorable games for me.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread - Current Team : The Baltimore Ravens
« Reply #908 on: June 18, 2018, 07:32:39 AM »
Now we move on to the teams with 3 championships.

Today's team, the Oakland Raiders.



3 League Championships (1976, 1980, 1983)

The Oakland Raiders, one of the most iconic franchises in the league.

My Mount Rushmore would be Al Davis, Gene Upshaw, Marcus Allen, and Tim Brown

Honorable mention to Stabler, Plunkett, Bo Jackson (who was trending towards a great career before his injury), Art Shell and John Madden

Their uniforms and helmets are classic and iconic.

Most of their memorable games were before my time, but I'll never forget the tuck rule game.

Now Jon Gruden is back in charge. We'll see if he can get the most out of Carr, Cooper and company and get the Raiders back on the right track.








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« Reply #909 on: June 18, 2018, 07:56:12 AM »
I could EASILY do three Mt. Rushmores and still feel like I've left someone off....

For me:         Madden, Stadler, Tatum, Upshaw
Second tier:   Long, Otto, Biletnikoff, Branch
Third tier:      Plunkett, Allen, Guy, Shell