Author Topic: 2018 NFL Thread - The Dynasty (Read 187929 times)

KevShmev · « **Reply #2170 on:** November 30, 2018, 09:07:37 AM »

Quote from: Rattlehead on November 30, 2018, 07:02:26 AM

Quote from: KevShmev on November 29, 2018, 07:00:02 PM
Anyone else get a kick out of Big Ben this week finding a way to blame everything but himself for the Broncos loss? Way to be a leader as always, Ben.

I found that funny as well, I'm not sure I'd call it a fluke when you throw the ball directly to the other team in the end zone If Harris wasn't there, then Roby probably would've picked it off anyway.

Exactly. Ben tried to dismiss it as luck, like the lineman got blocked off the line so badly that he felt into an interception, but he ignored the fact that Roby had undercut A Brown and was there to make the pick as well.

Honestly, I think Ben is aggravated with what a circus the Steelers often are (and has been for years), and is taking the "don't blame me, it's not my fault the team isn't buttoned up" stance, but it's just a bad look for a star QB.

DragonAttack · « **Reply #2171 on:** November 30, 2018, 10:05:59 AM »

No dog in the hunt, but why wasn't this a penalty (and possible ejection) last night?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KONLwWbaw

El Barto · « **Reply #2172 on:** November 30, 2018, 10:16:36 AM »

Quote from: DragonAttack on November 30, 2018, 10:05:59 AM

No dog in the hunt, but why wasn't this a penalty (and possible ejection) last night?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KONLwWbaw

Because the refs had a really bad night. They missed several pretty obvious penalties. For what it's worth, both teams won some and lost some regarding missed penalties. It all evened out at the end. And at least in this case the league will fine Jaylon Smith, or have him shot, or something.

bosk1 · « **Reply #2173 on:** November 30, 2018, 10:29:38 AM »

I don't know that it ever really "evens out." When refs miss calls, either the number or timing will generally favor one team or the other. And in a close game, that's all it takes to swing the balance sometimes. But that's just the way it goes. Unless someone is going to claim that refs deliberately looked the other way to swing a game, that's life. They're human. They screw up. In real time, with all those bodies flying around and so much to watch for, things get missed that may seem obvious from the comfort of our armchairs or the broadcast booth.

mikeyd23 · « **Reply #2174 on:** November 30, 2018, 10:33:10 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on November 30, 2018, 09:07:37 AM

Quote from: Rattlehead on November 30, 2018, 07:02:26 AM
Quote from: KevShmev on November 29, 2018, 07:00:02 PM
Anyone else get a kick out of Big Ben this week finding a way to blame everything but himself for the Broncos loss? Way to be a leader as always, Ben.

I found that funny as well, I'm not sure I'd call it a fluke when you throw the ball directly to the other team in the end zone If Harris wasn't there, then Roby probably would've picked it off anyway.

Exactly. Ben tried to dismiss it as luck, like the lineman got blocked off the line so badly that he felt into an interception, but he ignored the fact that Roby had undercut A Brown and was there to make the pick as well.

Honestly, I think Ben is aggravated with what a circus the Steelers often are (and has been for years), and is taking the "don't blame me, it's not my fault the team isn't buttoned up" stance, but it's just a bad look for a star QB.

Devils advocate - Ben has typically taken responsibility for losses throughout his career. He has only does this in the past when he felt like calling guys out would potentially be an effective way to motivate them. Leaders can call other players out, that doesn't make them a bad leader. Also, for you to dismiss Ben's leadership on this team shows you don't know much about the Steelers. Ben is probably one of only a couple true team leaders left in that room after a large number of them have left from the early 2000s Super Bowl teams over the last handful of years.

El Barto · « **Reply #2175 on:** November 30, 2018, 10:40:26 AM »

Quote from: bosk1 on November 30, 2018, 10:29:38 AM

I don't know that it ever really "evens out." When refs miss calls, either the number or timing will generally favor one team or the other. And in a close game, that's all it takes to swing the balance sometimes.

Yeah, but this really wasn't a very close game. My point was that would have been a significant benefit to the Saints, but there was a missed facemask shortly after that would have been just as significant for Dallas.

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But that's just the way it goes. Unless someone is going to claim that refs deliberately looked the other way to swing a game, that's life. They're human. They screw up. In real time, with all those bodies flying around and so much to watch for, things get missed that may seem obvious from the comfort of our armchairs or the broadcast booth.

This is spot-on, though. It's also why I get annoyed when people say somebody won thanks to the refs. Either there's a conspiracy and we're all watching a rebranding of WWE, or it's just the way things work, and we trust that they work the same for everybody.

cramx3 · « **Reply #2176 on:** November 30, 2018, 01:56:14 PM »

Chiefs got a new problem

https://www.tmz.com/2018/11/30/kc-chiefs-kareem-hunt-attacked-kicked-woman-surveillance-video/

KevShmev · « **Reply #2177 on:** November 30, 2018, 01:58:01 PM »

Was just about to post that.

Kareem Hunt is a POS. Stick a fork in him.

Dublagent66 · « **Reply #2178 on:** November 30, 2018, 02:03:49 PM »

Last night was a tale of two defensive halves. Saints scoreless in the 1st half and Dallas scoreless in the 2nd half. The only difference was Payton's decision to go for it on 4th down when they should've kicked a FG. Not to mention that he didn't use his challenges wisely and could've used them more wisely later in the game.

As far as the refs go, is there ever a single game where both teams don't get bad calls or no calls? It's extremely rare. It's something that every team has to live with at one point or another.

The H to H hit by Smith on Kamara should've been called and he will probably be fined by the league, but I don't think he meant to do it intentionally.

Smith on hit: "It is what it is."
Kamara on hit: "I came back out, didn't I?"

BTW, Randy Gregory is an idiot. He single handedly almost cost Dallas that game. $:\$

cramx3 · « **Reply #2179 on:** November 30, 2018, 02:05:51 PM »

Quote from: KevShmev on November 30, 2018, 01:58:01 PM

Was just about to post that.

Kareem Hunt is a POS. Stick a fork in him.

That is one hard push he gave. That girls head goes right into the wall and she is clearly dazed. The kick wasn't so bad in terms of being violent but holy hell is that one huge dick move to kick someone over like that. He really is a POS after watching that. And to think this is all because she didn't want to hook up with one of his friends?!

El Barto · « **Reply #2180 on:** November 30, 2018, 02:12:19 PM »

The NFL really is a joke. The Hunt deal happened in February, and they knew about it at the very least in August, and probably a lot earlier. The big question will be whether or not it's another Ray Rice thing, where they claim to have not seen the video despite having viewed it early on.

And just another reminder, one of the league's own investigators said that the Ezekiel Elliot allegations were likely bullshit.

cramx3 · « **Reply #2181 on:** November 30, 2018, 02:27:59 PM »

Quote from: El Barto on November 30, 2018, 02:12:19 PM

The NFL really is a joke. The Hunt deal happened in February, and they knew about it at the very least in August, and probably a lot earlier. The big question will be whether or not it's another Ray Rice thing, where they claim to have not seen the video despite having viewed it early on.

And just another reminder, one of the league's own investigators said that the Ezekiel Elliot allegations were likely bullshit.

Yea, there is no consistency here. The article says the video was evidence for the police, which I don't understand why they didn't press any charges. Is it because he pushed his friend who then went into the girl? Like he didn't directly push the girl, or maybe he did but its hard to tell from the video, and therefor that's a bit harder to get a conviction? The kick was extremely douchey but not terribly violent but maybe one could still say that is assault? I don't know, the NFL once again needs to answer questions about their handling of domestic abuse.

El Barto · « **Reply #2182 on:** November 30, 2018, 02:38:50 PM »

Maybe this is just me being a cranky old man or something, but it seems to me that if a player is involved in a 3AM altercation with a woman because she wouldn't fuck a member of his posse, maybe video of him kicking her ass isn't necessary to consider some disciplinary action.

The NFL is fucked any way this goes. They're supposed to be investigating these things independently of LEO. They knew about the event, and video was handed over to LEO. Either the NFL saw the video, willfully chose not to see the video, or is just fucking incompetent. Pleading the 3rd option is clearly in their best interest, but I think I'd bet on the second choice. Hard to say. There aren't any good answers, though.

axeman90210 · « **Reply #2183 on:** November 30, 2018, 03:13:53 PM »

I picked up Spencer Ware a couple weeks ago in my fantasy league as a lotter ticket in case Kareem Hunt went down with an injury... I guess this works too

Rattlehead · « **Reply #2184 on:** November 30, 2018, 06:09:18 PM »

This one's going to be a lot tougher for the Chiefs/NFL to sweep under the rug than the Tyreek Hill incident (choking and punching a pregnant woman in the stomach). I guess Hill set an example that you can get away with something like that before entering the NFL as long as you can produce like a superstar. It still amazes me how few NFL fans seem to be aware of that horrific incident.

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #2185 on:** November 30, 2018, 07:17:33 PM »

Unfortunately the masses need video footage to be outrage.

Cool Chris · « **Reply #2186 on:** November 30, 2018, 09:18:13 PM »

https://twitter.com/TheBradShepard/status/1068307097023119360

Oh fuck yes! I can literally here dozens of XFL fans screaming in joy right outside my window as I type this.

Is the XFL like going out with a girl a couple times, then after getting dumped, coming back 10 years later and thinking "Hey, I wonder if she'd like to go out with me again?"

KevShmev · « **Reply #2187 on:** November 30, 2018, 09:22:03 PM »

Quote from: Rattlehead on November 30, 2018, 06:09:18 PM

This one's going to be a lot tougher for the Chiefs/NFL to sweep under the rug than the Tyreek Hill incident (choking and punching a pregnant woman in the stomach). I guess Hill set an example that you can get away with something like that before entering the NFL as long as you can produce like a superstar. It still amazes me how few NFL fans seem to be aware of that horrific incident.

What about Joe Mixon cold cocking a woman and still getting a big NFL contract?

Also, the Chiefs cut Hunt. They are taking the "he lied to us about the incident" stance, but which means they can act like they thought what happened amounted to nothing.

lordxizor · « **Reply #2188 on:** December 01, 2018, 05:33:26 AM »

Well, in fairness, if they hadn't seen the video, it sounds like there was a lot of conflicting information being given by the different parties. I would find it difficult to discipline a player when the whole story wasn't known.

Now, if they did see the video and they did nothing, there deserve to be heads rolling.

El Barto · « **Reply #2189 on:** December 01, 2018, 09:59:11 AM »

Quote from: KevShmev on November 30, 2018, 09:22:03 PM

What about Joe Mixon cold cocking a woman and still getting a big NFL contract?

Holy shit, that' boy's got a fast right.

I hadn't seen the video before. Johnny would have called that an offsetting penalty. Maybe even self defense (she did put his hands on his neck). The league, as we'll see with Hunt, needed to question why he put himself into the situation in the first place, though. He went into the restaurant to confront some people and this was the result.

Quote from: lordxizor on December 01, 2018, 05:33:26 AM

Well, in fairness, if they hadn't seen the video, it sounds like there was a lot of conflicting information being given by the different parties. I would find it difficult to discipline a player when the whole story wasn't known.

Now, if they did see the video and they did nothing, there deserve to be heads rolling.

Like I said about Mixon, it shouldn't take video of an assault to result in some discipline. If a player gets into a brawl in a hotel at 0300 there's a problem, regardless of whether or not he kicked a girl. At lease if we're going to pretend that the NFL cares about this stuff, really. Seems to me there's a direction of proof issue here. The league looks to prove he did something wrong. Maybe they should be looking to see if he did things right.

edit: Just read up on the Mixon thing and it seems my take was wrong on a variety of levels. He wasn't in the league yet, so that's that. This is mostly a reflection on the Bengals, and insofar as them drafting a scumbag, what else is new.

KevShmev · « **Reply #2190 on:** December 02, 2018, 07:38:31 AM »

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We’ll see whether or not turns out to be right over time, but a text from a former player on the Chiefs and Kareem Hunt: “This type of (stuff) just derails a team. They won’t recover.”

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And when they don't, it will be all Andy Reid's fault, right, Stadler?

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #2191 on:** December 02, 2018, 08:09:57 AM »

To paraphrase a former coach, they'll rally around Spencer Ware, and they'll play good football.

El Barto · « **Reply #2192 on:** December 02, 2018, 09:00:50 AM »

I don't think it tanks them outright, but that three game stretch of Bal, SD, and Sea just got a whole lot tougher. I think the end result will be them losing that number 1 seed. Big winners in this are Houston, which will likely swap places with them, and NE which won't have to play a potential AFC-CG in KC.

cramx3 · « **Reply #2193 on:** December 02, 2018, 02:21:05 PM »

Why do I watch the Giants games? This is a weekend routine of getting kicked in the balls. What an epic comeback for the Bears. I'm expecting them to win this in OT now.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #2194 on:** December 02, 2018, 02:22:11 PM »

Quote from: cramx3 on December 02, 2018, 02:21:05 PM

Why do I watch the Giants games? This is a weekend routine of getting kicked in the balls. What an epic comeback for the Bears. I'm expecting them to win this in OT now.

I can't believe it

TheCountOfNYC · « **Reply #2195 on:** December 02, 2018, 02:27:16 PM »

Right now the Giants are driving. I think they actually have a shot at the upset.

EDIT: and there it is. Huge win for the Giants, and tremendous loss for the Bears, who are fighting for their division and playoff seeding. They probably just kissed their slim chances at a week off in the playoffs goodbye.

T-ski · « **Reply #2196 on:** December 02, 2018, 02:54:34 PM »

Aaron Rodgers is either hurt or has completely gone F.U. to Mike McCarthy.

KevShmev · « **Reply #2197 on:** December 02, 2018, 04:38:41 PM »

One thing I will give the Patriots: getting a bad call (or no-call) in their favor is always like an adrenaline shot to them in their home games. Get away with blatant PI on defense (on the 3rd down play, not 1st), and then go right down the field on offense and get a TD.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #2198 on:** December 02, 2018, 04:54:03 PM »

The refs at this game are letting them play and I'm happy about that.

King Postwhore · « **Reply #2199 on:** December 02, 2018, 04:59:11 PM »

And with that, my first bitch. How was that call not overturned? He did not get the 1st down. Even with replay refs blow it.

Snow Dog · « **Reply #2200 on:** December 02, 2018, 04:59:42 PM »

Quote from: T-ski on December 02, 2018, 02:54:34 PM

Aaron Rodgers is either hurt or has completely gone F.U. to Mike McCarthy.

I’ve also wondered if he’s intentionally tanking to get McCarthy fired. Or that he just doesn’t have it anymore. But I hadn’t thought of him being injured. As many sacks as he’s taken, I wouldn’t be surprised.

I’d also be surprised if McCarthy escapes the week, let alone the season, with his job. Losing at home to AZ just doesn’t look good for him. At all.

El Barto · « **Reply #2201 on:** December 02, 2018, 05:01:30 PM »

Quote from: kingshmegland on December 02, 2018, 04:59:11 PM

And with that, my first bitch. How was that call not overturned? He did not get the 1st down. Even with replay refs blow it.

That forward progress thing was nonsense. On the bright side we got to see Bill yell to "shut the fuck up!" at Adam Theilen's silly ass.

Destiny Of Chaos · « **Reply #2202 on:** December 02, 2018, 05:08:00 PM »

Quote from: Snow Dog on December 02, 2018, 04:59:42 PM

Quote from: T-ski on December 02, 2018, 02:54:34 PM
Aaron Rodgers is either hurt or has completely gone F.U. to Mike McCarthy.

I’ve also wondered if he’s intentionally tanking to get McCarthy fired. Or that he just doesn’t have it anymore. But I hadn’t thought of him being injured. As many sacks as he’s taken, I wouldn’t be surprised.

I’d also be surprised if McCarthy escapes the week, let alone the season, with his job. Losing at home to AZ just doesn’t look good for him. At all.

Good call. They fired him!

King Postwhore · « **Reply #2203 on:** December 02, 2018, 05:10:07 PM »

Quote from: El Barto on December 02, 2018, 05:01:30 PM

Quote from: kingshmegland on December 02, 2018, 04:59:11 PM
And with that, my first bitch. How was that call not overturned? He did not get the 1st down. Even with replay refs blow it.
That forward progress thing was nonsense. On the bright side we got to see Bill yell to "shut the fuck up!" at Adam Theilen's silly ass.

I was waiting for Bill to use some "Force Lightning" on his ass.

jammindude · « **Reply #2204 on:** December 02, 2018, 05:11:10 PM »

Quote from: T-ski on December 02, 2018, 02:54:34 PM

Aaron Rodgers is either hurt or has completely gone F.U. to Mike McCarthy.

They JUST broke with a game break announcement that McCarthy has been fired.

EDIT ------buuuuuuttt you knew that already apparently.

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