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Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Philadelphia Freedom
« Reply #140 on: February 08, 2018, 05:11:31 PM »
Seem to me you guys lean towards the players more.  I think the coaches should have that flexibility as well.  I only abhor owners.  I  personally do not belive a player has a right to pick where they want to go until they hit free agency.  They deserve it.  Rookie should not have that.

Again, I think Josh was wrong here.  I don't deny that at all but lets look at the players on those teams that these 2 QB's shunned.  It's as equal as these coaches that were screwed by Josh.

No.  Just, no.

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« Reply #141 on: February 08, 2018, 05:35:54 PM »
Sorry Kev.  I do not agree with you at all except that Josh shouldn't have dropped out last minute.
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« Reply #142 on: February 08, 2018, 06:19:41 PM »
Sorry Kev.  I do not agree with you at all except that Josh shouldn't have dropped out last minute.

The worst part of Josh's decision was the guys that up and left their existing jobs to be part of his new staff in Indy. He did them dirty, and there should have been no assembling of a staff until a contract was signed. But even with that said, I don't even think that a signed contract would have stopped Josh from running back to daddy Kraft

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« Reply #143 on: February 08, 2018, 06:33:09 PM »
I agree.  No doubt.  It still calls into Indy's decision to allow this without getting his name on the dotted line as well as releasing the information of the signings.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
« Reply #144 on: February 08, 2018, 06:36:37 PM »
Honestly if I were Indy, Id try and get the Commissioner involved and at least wrangle a draft pick out of this.
would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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« Reply #145 on: February 08, 2018, 06:49:51 PM »
No signed contract, no hope for what you are seeking Tim. 
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« Reply #146 on: February 08, 2018, 06:54:23 PM »
But if you verbally agree. Then sign coaches on the team's behalf, I think it'd be worth an inquiry. Or filing a complaint.
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« Reply #147 on: February 08, 2018, 07:05:44 PM »
Imagine all the lawsuits in the NFL from That?  :lol
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« Reply #148 on: February 08, 2018, 07:24:14 PM »
First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same.   Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them.   The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge.    They knew the risk going in.

Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious.  Perfect?  No.   But what would you have him do?  Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing?  That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right.  They are adults and they took the risk.   Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still.  I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Dear lord, it must be frosty in hell, because I absolutely agree with Stads here.

And the NFL should have a moratorium on coaching staff movement until the season is completely over. The NHL does ... I assume MLB And NBA too?  It's ridiculous that coaches who should be preparing their teams for the biggest games are interviewing and job hunting.
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« Reply #149 on: February 08, 2018, 07:30:34 PM »
 :lol.

It really should be.
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« Reply #150 on: February 09, 2018, 07:43:34 AM »
Jason Kelce is a fn trip.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html

I still don't like the Eagles, but Jason Kelce may be my favorite player in the league now.   A Mummers costume!!!   How Philly!   I've mentioned before a couple times that I'm a Mum - I played in one of the string bands - and  wore costumes like that all the time.   Great tradition, and I can tell you, if he didn't already, he connected HARD CORE with that fan base with that speech and that gesture.  (Every year tens of thousands of people line Broad Street on New Year's Day to watch the Mummer's Parade, a day-long march of all the string bands (anywhere from 16 to 20 depending on the year) from the stadia to City Hall.   A tradition that goes back over a hundred years. 

EDIT:  That suit was donated by the band I played in, Avalon String Band.   The guy who's suit it is is the musical director of the band (extremely talented musician) and played o-line in college; most suits aren't that big.  http://phl17.com/2018/02/08/the-mummers-jason-kelce-costume-connection/
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« Reply #151 on: February 09, 2018, 07:48:53 AM »
Sorry Kev.  I do not agree with you at all except that Josh shouldn't have dropped out last minute.

The worst part of Josh's decision was the guys that up and left their existing jobs to be part of his new staff in Indy. He did them dirty, and there should have been no assembling of a staff until a contract was signed. But even with that said, I don't even think that a signed contract would have stopped Josh from running back to daddy Kraft

Those things are not on Josh, though.  HE didn't sign them, HE didn't take the chance (albeit with reliance on Josh, I get it).

And no, a signed contract probably wouldn't have, unless there was a stiff buyout clause.  If I recall correctly, Bill had a contract with the Jets and resigned; the Jets were compensated with a draft pick, but still.   What if Josh had waited a week or a month, or even a year?  Would it be any different?   At least now, there's only three coaches (that may or may not have been  lined up before, and may or may not have taken the job anyway) that are out a HC. 

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« Reply #152 on: February 09, 2018, 07:50:07 AM »
First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same.   Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them.   The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge.    They knew the risk going in.

Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious.  Perfect?  No.   But what would you have him do?  Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing?  That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right.  They are adults and they took the risk.   Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still.  I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Dear lord, it must be frosty in hell, because I absolutely agree with Stads here.

And the NFL should have a moratorium on coaching staff movement until the season is completely over. The NHL does ... I assume MLB And NBA too?  It's ridiculous that coaches who should be preparing their teams for the biggest games are interviewing and job hunting.

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« Reply #153 on: February 09, 2018, 08:55:26 AM »
Jason Kelce is a fn trip.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html

I still don't like the Eagles, but Jason Kelce may be my favorite player in the league now.   

Yeah, I watched that yesterday.  Fantastic!  I know nothing of the Mummers or that tradition.  But he nailed it.  You couldn't watch that and not smile.
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« Reply #154 on: February 09, 2018, 10:20:47 AM »
Jason Kelce is a fn trip.

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2018/02/eagles_super_bowl_parade.html

I still don't like the Eagles, but Jason Kelce may be my favorite player in the league now.   A Mummers costume!!!   How Philly!   I've mentioned before a couple times that I'm a Mum - I played in one of the string bands - and  wore costumes like that all the time.   Great tradition, and I can tell you, if he didn't already, he connected HARD CORE with that fan base with that speech and that gesture.  (Every year tens of thousands of people line Broad Street on New Year's Day to watch the Mummer's Parade, a day-long march of all the string bands (anywhere from 16 to 20 depending on the year) from the stadia to City Hall.   A tradition that goes back over a hundred years. 

EDIT:  That suit was donated by the band I played in, Avalon String Band.   The guy who's suit it is is the musical director of the band (extremely talented musician) and played o-line in college; most suits aren't that big.  http://phl17.com/2018/02/08/the-mummers-jason-kelce-costume-connection/

Bingo. Wearing that Mummers costume was a stroke of genius. He is now universally beloved in that town, and as Bosk's posts indicates, even those outside of the area and unfamiliar with the culture could appreciate his passion and blunt message. 

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« Reply #155 on: February 09, 2018, 10:29:26 AM »
It was glorious. I felt like he could be a wrestler in WWE.  He was hilarious.


Did any of you hear about the local beat writer in Boston (Ron Borges) who thought he was getting texts from Don Yee (Tom Brady's Agent) that Brady was going to hold out of OTA's to get a new contract?  He ran with it and it was a prank by a local fan.  Borges said he had multiple sources and the local radio station, WEEI, was tipped off by the fan and broke the news this morning.  Borges was know for having an agenda against Bill Belichick all these years.  Goes to show you you can't trust the media anymore.  None will vet these leads.
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« Reply #156 on: February 09, 2018, 10:32:36 AM »
First, I don't think the QB and JMD situations are the same.   Manning and Elway both said, in advance, that they would not play for the team expected to draft them.   The team that DID draft them did so with full disclosure and full knowledge.    They knew the risk going in.

Having said that, I don't know that what JMD did was so egregious.  Perfect?  No.   But what would you have him do?  Decline the better offer, move his family, and then be miserable and second-guessing?  That the assistants signed is unfortunate, but I think Kaos has is right.  They are adults and they took the risk.   Now, some of this is subject to change, depending on what was actually said, but still.  I think if this was St. Louis, and Joe McOffensive Coordinator, instead of the Patriots and Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Dear lord, it must be frosty in hell, because I absolutely agree with Stads here.

And the NFL should have a moratorium on coaching staff movement until the season is completely over. The NHL does ... I assume MLB And NBA too?  It's ridiculous that coaches who should be preparing their teams for the biggest games are interviewing and job hunting.

Oh, Jingle, admit it; it feels good doesn't it?  Like a warm bath.  :)

A warm something that involves soapy water, that's for sure.  *Bath* wasn't what I was thinking though.   :lol
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« Reply #157 on: February 09, 2018, 11:51:40 AM »
It was glorious. I felt like he could be a wrestler in WWE.  He was hilarious.


Did any of you hear about the local beat writer in Boston (Ron Borges) who thought he was getting texts from Don Yee (Tom Brady's Agent) that Brady was going to hold out of OTA's to get a new contract?  He ran with it and it was a prank by a local fan.  Borges said he had multiple sources and the local radio station, WEEI, was tipped off by the fan and broke the news this morning.  Borges was know for having an agenda against Bill Belichick all these years.  Goes to show you you can't trust the media anymore.  None will vet these leads.

#fakenews  :lol  Pretty funny, I actually just got myself a second phone number that no one knows for the sole purpose of prank calls.  I got my buddy good yesterday who owns a carwash business.

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« Reply #158 on: February 09, 2018, 12:03:15 PM »
re:  Garoppolo

First thought:  ridiculous. 

Second thought:  the Ravens have been mired with Flacco's contract since Day One.  Didn't resign Bouldin, good OLs go to other teams due to lack of cap space, etc etc etc.  Did he deserve to be rewarded?  Absolutely....but not to the extent of what he signed.  I blame him and the front office for that.

Ditto for Seattle and Wilson, and all or most QB contracts.  'It's not about the money, I want to win.'

B.S. !!!!!

The kid might do OK in San Fran.  He'd have done better with money left for the franchise to plug the needed holes as they develop (and the holes will develop). 
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« Reply #159 on: February 09, 2018, 12:05:18 PM »
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First thought:  ridiculous. 

Second thought:  the Ravens have been mired with Flacco's contract since Day One.  Didn't resign Bouldin, good OLs go to other teams due to lack of cap space, etc etc etc.  Did he deserve to be rewarded?  Absolutely....but not to the extent of what he signed.  I blame him and the front office for that.

Ditto for Seattle and Wilson, and all or most QB contracts.  'It's not about the money, I want to win.'

B.S. !!!!!

The kid might do OK in San Fran.  He'd have done better with money left for the franchise to plug the needed holes as they develop (and the holes will develop).

Totally this. I could not agree more.

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« Reply #160 on: February 09, 2018, 12:16:00 PM »
It was glorious. I felt like he could be a wrestler in WWE.  He was hilarious.


Did any of you hear about the local beat writer in Boston (Ron Borges) who thought he was getting texts from Don Yee (Tom Brady's Agent) that Brady was going to hold out of OTA's to get a new contract?  He ran with it and it was a prank by a local fan.  Borges said he had multiple sources and the local radio station, WEEI, was tipped off by the fan and broke the news this morning.  Borges was know for having an agenda against Bill Belichick all these years.  Goes to show you you can't trust the media anymore.  None will vet these leads.

#fakenews  :lol  Pretty funny, I actually just got myself a second phone number that no one knows for the sole purpose of prank calls.  I got my buddy good yesterday who owns a carwash business.

Call me a juvenile, but I LOVE a good prank call.  Still the funniest part of the Stern show for me.   

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« Reply #161 on: February 09, 2018, 12:33:13 PM »
re:  Garoppolo

First thought:  ridiculous. 

Second thought:  the Ravens have been mired with Flacco's contract since Day One.  Didn't resign Bouldin, good OLs go to other teams due to lack of cap space, etc etc etc.  Did he deserve to be rewarded?  Absolutely....but not to the extent of what he signed.  I blame him and the front office for that.

Ditto for Seattle and Wilson, and all or most QB contracts.  'It's not about the money, I want to win.'

B.S. !!!!!

The kid might do OK in San Fran.  He'd have done better with money left for the franchise to plug the needed holes as they develop (and the holes will develop).
Generally speaking I agree completely. I had an argument with my brother the Saints fan about Brees refusing to take a pay cut that would have improved the team (and himself) immeasurably. "Fuck that, it's not his job to take pay cuts!" Well, no it's not. Just don't bitch about it when he gets sacked 60 times in a season because they hired their offensive line from a Home Depot parking lot.

However, JG gets a pass on this as he's young and unproven. A player seeking his first real contract should probably take all he can get. If he really does turn out to be the franchise QB for the longterm he can restructure his contract. If he falls apart he can ride the pine safe in the knowledge that he's got 74 million in his checking account. Fuck, even Jamarcus Russell would have to applaud that.
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« Reply #162 on: February 09, 2018, 12:39:20 PM »
Generally speaking I agree completely. I had an argument with my brother the Saints fan about Brees refusing to take a pay cut that would have improved the team (and himself) immeasurably. "Fuck that, it's not his job to take pay cuts!" Well, no it's not. Just don't bitch about it when he gets sacked 60 times in a season because they hired their offensive line from a Home Depot parking lot.

However, JG gets a pass on this as he's young and unproven. A player seeking his first real contract should probably take all he can get. If he really does turn out to be the franchise QB for the longterm he can restructure his contract. If he falls apart he can ride the pine safe in the knowledge that he's got 74 million in his checking account. Fuck, even Jamarcus Russell would have to applaud that.

Yes, I'll clarify my agreement to Dragon's post. Ridiculous move on the part of the team? Yes. Probably going to make the supporting cast around him worse? Yes. Did the team overpay? Yes.

All that said, good for Jimmy, athletes gotta take the money when they can, I'd do the same. Like you said, he's generally unproven so if he ends up sucking once the league gets a look at him - he's made his.

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« Reply #163 on: February 09, 2018, 12:59:50 PM »
Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.

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« Reply #164 on: February 09, 2018, 01:38:30 PM »
Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.

How so?

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« Reply #165 on: February 09, 2018, 01:51:30 PM »
Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.

How so?

Small unmarked bills in a paper bag delivered weekly in Jimmy's planter box.   :lol
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« Reply #166 on: February 09, 2018, 02:03:43 PM »
Apparently this contract is structured in a much better, team friendler way than the QB megadeals of years past.

How so?
There are ways you can distribute the cap hit into smaller pieces. You can also incorporate incentives that you might not have to pay. There are exit routes you can incorporate, as well.

The 49ers worked out a stunningly good deal with Kap a few years back. His "contract" was "worth" 125 million with 61 "guaranteed." He actually made 39 million and the team had no problem dumping him. In fact, they have an absolute shit-ton of cap space now, even after paying JG.
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« Reply #167 on: February 09, 2018, 02:09:03 PM »
Small unmarked bills in a paper bag delivered weekly in Jimmy's planter box.   :lol

Seems sound  :lol

There are ways you can distribute the cap hit into smaller pieces. You can also incorporate incentives that you might not have to pay. There are exit routes you can incorporate, as well.

The 49ers worked out a stunningly good deal with Kap a few years back. His "contract" was "worth" 125 million with 61 "guaranteed." He actually made 39 million and the team had no problem dumping him. In fact, they have an absolute shit-ton of cap space now, even after paying JG.
http://www.businessinsider.com/colin-kaepernick-record-49ers-contract-2017-8

Well said, at the end of the day the biggest component here is that NFL contracts aren't really guaranteed, right?

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« Reply #168 on: February 09, 2018, 02:41:00 PM »
Technically I think the contracts guarantee that they are not guaranteed.

Joseph Heller aside, it actually does make a lot of sense. They guarantee the terms of employment. They just don't guarantee the employment itself. A seven year contract might say "we'll hire you for 7 years. We'll pay you this much. We can terminate this agreement after 4 years. You can opt out after five years." He doesn't have to work 8 years for them. They can't release him after only 3 years. He will work between 4-7 years for them under the pay schedule they agreed upon.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
« Reply #169 on: February 09, 2018, 03:25:37 PM »
Football is one sport I don't mind seeing a player get as much $$ as possible when they can. These guys are literally one play away on every play from being paralyzed the rest of their lives. On top of the fact the abuse their bodies take....I don't mind them getting paid. Same goes for Hockey players. The abuse on their bodies is insane.

Baseball is where I think those contracts are silly.....
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« Reply #170 on: February 09, 2018, 03:39:06 PM »
Let's add that football contracts are not fully guaranteed.  Hence the front loaded contracts.
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
« Reply #171 on: February 11, 2018, 08:07:25 AM »
And isn't there usually a choice that has to be made as to whether the guarantee is for skill or injury (but not both)?
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Re: 2018 NFL Thread v. Garoppolo Strikes Gold
« Reply #172 on: February 11, 2018, 09:38:54 AM »
The Eagles have been champs for less than a week and have already been taken out of the thread title?  Cold blooded.

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« Reply #173 on: February 11, 2018, 12:07:51 PM »
The Eagles have been champs for less than a week and have already been taken out of the thread title?  Cold blooded.


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« Reply #174 on: February 11, 2018, 12:36:39 PM »
Fine by me!