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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #525 on: March 07, 2018, 10:09:37 AM »
She's a cool character.  But she has gotten great character treatment in The Clone Wars.  I'm not sure we really "need" more in any format.  I'm not against it.  I'm just saying I don't see the need.

Going back to Boba Fett, that really is an interesting case.  There is no real reason he should have been so popular, other than George decreed it.  I remember the hype way back even before Empire was released, and he was a limited edition action figure that you could ONLY get by mailing in so many proofs of purchase from other action figures.  Nobody knew ANYTHING about the character at that point.  But he was suddenly mysterious and cool just because he was advertised as being mysterious and cool.  Then Empire came out sometime later, and we were prepared for him to be mysterious and cool.  And since he didn't say or do anything to detract from that, he was still mysterious and cool.  Then ROTJ, where there really isn't any need for him to appear, but he is there.  ...and doesn't really do anything other than fail to recognize Lando, fail to shoot any good guys despite that Luke is the only one with a weapon, and then fall into a sarlaac pit. 

As far as rebooting, hard to say.  I really don't see the need or benefit.  It seems like there is FAR more potential risk than reward.  But that has never stopped studios in the past, so...  :dunno:  But what they really SHOULD do is a Bluray release of the original trilogy in their original versions, with only effects cleanups and no additional/changed scenes.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #526 on: March 07, 2018, 10:17:08 AM »
There is a new interview with Andy Serkis saying that Snoke's background was intentionally kept vague to keep the option open of doing a prequel. I'm going to assume that one of the new series is going to be at least 100 years before episode 1 and the other series will be after Episode 9. The new show(s) will be between episode 6 and 7.

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« Reply #527 on: March 07, 2018, 10:19:05 AM »
See, now THAT is something there is definitely a market for.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #528 on: March 07, 2018, 10:34:45 AM »
I maintain the Snoke character was vague due to lazy writing.

But what they really SHOULD do is a Bluray release of the original trilogy in their original versions, with only effects cleanups and no additional/changed scenes.

This is problematic because one person's "effects cleanups" are another person's unnecessary changes. You might want Luke's Landspeeder vaseline effect fixed up, someone else might not. If you are going to ask for the "Original Trilogy" doesn't it need to be the original theatrical prints (if they even still exist)?
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« Reply #529 on: March 07, 2018, 10:57:13 AM »
[quote author=bosk1 link=topic=51448.msg2412898#msg2412898 date=1520442577  But what they really SHOULD do is a Bluray release of the original trilogy in their original versions, with only effects cleanups and no additional/changed scenes.
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THIS THIS THIS!  I think that's what every SW purist wants, including myself. I have no doubt there would be a huge market for that. The revamped versions are disastrous imo, especially ROTJ.  The originals need to be released on modern digital format.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #530 on: March 07, 2018, 11:13:00 AM »
I maintain the Snoke character was vague due to lazy writing.

But what they really SHOULD do is a Bluray release of the original trilogy in their original versions, with only effects cleanups and no additional/changed scenes.

This is problematic because one person's "effects cleanups" are another person's unnecessary changes. You might want Luke's Landspeeder vaseline effect fixed up, someone else might not. If you are going to ask for the "Original Trilogy" doesn't it need to be the original theatrical prints (if they even still exist)?

I am almost positive I heard that they exist.  And I would be fine with them being released as-is.  The first reissue that Lucas did is more in line with what I am talking about.  Cleaning up effects, but not altering scenes.  So, yeah, fixing the landspeeder effect, cleaning up the lightsabers in IV, and so on--yes.  Making Greedo shoot first, adding characters to scenes for a big "dance number," and the like--no.  Yeah, there's some subjectivity there, but you are less likely to have a significant portion of the fan base upset with a release like that than ones altering the actual content of scenes.  The one thing I would subjectively miss from limiting it that way is the augmenting of a few of the scenes in ANH to just make the scope of them "bigger" (Mos Eisley, more fighters in the battle of Yavin), but that's okay.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #531 on: March 07, 2018, 01:25:46 PM »
I am not trying to argue. I just feel that if you do an "original trilogy" release, you have to 1) identify what you mean by "original" and 2) accept that whatever you do, you are only going to please a percentage of your market, and minimize those you are going to annoy.

I was a big mark for the "Special Editions" in 1997(?). I loved - almost - every minute of them. Even the Jedi Rocks bit didn't bother me. I was born in 76 so old enough to see Empire and Jedi in the theater, not quite old enough to remember it, but at the right age where everything Star Wars was cool, the action figures, the crappy Atari 2600 games..... So I did enjoy seeing SW on the big screen, even if it wasn't in their original form.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #532 on: March 07, 2018, 05:07:44 PM »
Return Of The Jedi got ruined by the altered scenes. Especially in Jabba's palace, and the ending of the movie..
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« Reply #533 on: March 07, 2018, 05:10:58 PM »
I wish there was a DIY version.

Like, I'd keep all of the updated effects. I'd even keep the added x-wings and so forth. It doesn't negatively influence anything, just adds a bit more that they couldn't back then.

But I'd ditch a ton of them. The random changing of sounds or dialogue, the added dance scene, etc. Stuff that actually detracts from the movie.

Sadly that's not an option. It's either terrible additions, or terrible original effects etc.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #534 on: March 07, 2018, 05:27:41 PM »
I actually liked the changes to the end of Jedi, and still do in some ways. The added visuals make it seem that the Rebellion had a greater purposes, it was bigger that Luke, Han, and Leia. The music change I still to this day don't have a definitive opinion.

A DIY option would actually be the awesomest thing ever. Until Youtube was flooded with people uploading theirs and proclaiming their version to be the best ever.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #535 on: March 07, 2018, 05:36:27 PM »
I really like the change to Empire where after Vader tells Luke that he is his father, Luke jumps and doesn’t scream. I  feel like it added an emotional weight with nothing coming from Luke...as if he gave up and fully intended to commit suicide... I dunno, but that’s a change I do really like. What is everyone’s thoughts on that particular moment?

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« Reply #536 on: March 07, 2018, 09:02:39 PM »
Wasn't aware that there was a scream at one point. I agree that the moment seems to be more powerful without it.

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« Reply #537 on: March 07, 2018, 09:07:30 PM »
I honestly couldn't remember if the scream was original or added on. I was always bothered by how silly he looked ending up sliding in to that shaft.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #538 on: March 08, 2018, 02:13:42 AM »
In the original theatrical release, he didn't scream

For the 97 special edition, the scream was added

Any version after that, it was removed.

I grew up with the scream, so its natural to me, but I think its better without it. As far as empire goes and its changes I am not down with hearing Mr. New Zealand when Boba fett speaks. I much prefer the original actors voice.

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« Reply #539 on: March 08, 2018, 03:53:45 AM »
Just purely for the sake of internal consistency I like the changed Boba Fett voice. I don’t really have a preference when it comes to the sound itself.

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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #540 on: March 08, 2018, 12:11:54 PM »
Just purely for the sake of internal consistency I like the changed Boba Fett voice. I don’t really have a preference when it comes to the sound itself.

Same thing with the change in the Emperor's hologram.  The original is kinda bad actually.
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« Reply #541 on: March 08, 2018, 12:16:52 PM »
Just purely for the sake of internal consistency I like the changed Boba Fett voice. I don’t really have a preference when it comes to the sound itself.

Same thing with the change in the Emperor's hologram.  The original is kinda bad actually.

Exactly. It's a shame that if we want the new hologram and updated light saber effects, we also need a big song and dance number that no one likes. I mean, maybe Staler loves it, I dunno.
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« Reply #542 on: March 08, 2018, 01:05:41 PM »
Anyone see the news today about Jon Favoreu (sp?) writing and producing a SW series?

I’m assuming they mean a TV series...

Very interesting.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #543 on: March 08, 2018, 01:21:02 PM »
Anyone see the news today about Jon Favoreu (sp?) writing and producing a SW series?

I’m assuming they mean a TV series...

Very interesting.

Yeah. I saw that. Not a lot of detail in it though....just that he was going to be involved in a SW series.
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« Reply #544 on: March 09, 2018, 05:29:19 AM »
And that it's gonna be exclusive to Disney's streaming service.  Guess I'll never (legally) see it.
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« Reply #545 on: March 09, 2018, 05:47:27 AM »
Oh, they're pulling that shit too? I guess that's the new trend.

Won't stop me checking it out, but obviously they're not getting a cent out of it.
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« Reply #546 on: March 09, 2018, 07:02:35 AM »
Yeah because god forbid we actually pay for content that we want to enjoy.  ::)

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« Reply #547 on: March 09, 2018, 07:56:17 AM »
More like god forbid we pay full price for 20 different services when what we really want access to is only an outrageous minority of their actual content.

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« Reply #548 on: March 09, 2018, 09:07:59 AM »
Pay for one month, binge on everything you want to see, then cancel. Not that big of a deal.

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« Reply #549 on: March 13, 2018, 12:12:13 PM »
Pay for one month, binge on everything you want to see, then cancel. Not that big of a deal.

Yup, this is my strategy with HBO Now once a year when Game of Thrones comes out. I wait until most of the episodes are available, then pay $15 for a month of streaming.
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« Reply #550 on: March 17, 2018, 04:33:00 PM »
So.... I finally saw The Last Jedi. I liked it!

I've read online, not in detail of course, about controversies on Luke Skywalker. What exactly was wrong with him? the choice to have made him run away from it all was already made in the first movie. The reasons are belieavable - shame for not being able to help his sister's son and for having pondered to kill him. It's only obvious that he's reluctant to help Rey, and in the end he still trains her. Then shows up like a total badass to buy time to the resistance (the dusting off from this shoulder and "Every word you said was wrong" are kickass moments) and dies peacefully at "home". What was so horribly wrong about this?

For the rest of the movie, they still riffed a bit here and there from the original trilogy. Snoke was good but we've already seen a disfigured ruler being a master of manipulation. At least the "kill the master not for good but to take his place" twist was nice.

Another thing they kinda took from Empire Strikes Back is the confusing timeline. The chase of the rebels seemed pretty straightforward to me, in the time it took the First Order to follow them through lightspeed and fire at them while they were on low fuel Finn went to the casino and Rey took forever to convince Luke to train him?

Oh, and I also assume we're supposed to absolutely and totally not believe at all in any kind of way that Rey's parents were nobodies, am I right?

btw, I teared up at the end with the dedication to "Our princess Carrie Fisher"
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« Reply #551 on: March 17, 2018, 04:36:48 PM »
So.... I finally saw The Last Jedi. I liked it!

I've read online, not in detail of course, about controversies on Luke Skywalker. What exactly was wrong with him? the choice to have made him run away from it all was already made in the first movie. The reasons are belieavable - shame for not being able to help his sister's son and for having pondered to kill him. It's only obvious that he's reluctant to help Rey, and in the end he still trains her. Then shows up like a total badass to buy time to the resistance (the dusting off from this shoulder and "Every word you said was wrong" are kickass moments) and dies peacefully at "home". What was so horribly wrong about this?

For the rest of the movie, they still riffed a bit here and there from the original trilogy. Snoke was good but we've already seen a disfigured ruler being a master of manipulation. At least the "kill the master not for good but to take his place" twist was nice.

Another thing they kinda took from Empire Strikes Back is the confusing timeline. The chase of the rebels seemed pretty straightforward to me, in the time it took the First Order to follow them through lightspeed and fire at them while they were on low fuel Finn went to the casino and Rey took forever to convince Luke to train him?

Oh, and I also assume we're supposed to absolutely and totally not believe at all in any kind of way that Rey's parents were nobodies, am I right?

btw, I teared up at the end with the dedication to "Our princess Carrie Fisher"

I'm always amazed when someone is literally point for point with me on all of this.   The Last Jedi is actually REALLY good, and I just don't get the hate for it AT ALL.   
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« Reply #552 on: March 18, 2018, 01:44:00 AM »
The argument that Luke wouldn't have run away and hid like that because he's a jedi are hilarious, because it's exactly what Yoda and Obi-Wan did in the original films.

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« Reply #553 on: March 18, 2018, 04:26:28 AM »
So.... I finally saw The Last Jedi. I liked it!

I've read online, not in detail of course, about controversies on Luke Skywalker. What exactly was wrong with him? the choice to have made him run away from it all was already made in the first movie. The reasons are belieavable - shame for not being able to help his sister's son and for having pondered to kill him. It's only obvious that he's reluctant to help Rey, and in the end he still trains her. Then shows up like a total badass to buy time to the resistance (the dusting off from this shoulder and "Every word you said was wrong" are kickass moments) and dies peacefully at "home". What was so horribly wrong about this?

For the rest of the movie, they still riffed a bit here and there from the original trilogy. Snoke was good but we've already seen a disfigured ruler being a master of manipulation. At least the "kill the master not for good but to take his place" twist was nice.

Another thing they kinda took from Empire Strikes Back is the confusing timeline. The chase of the rebels seemed pretty straightforward to me, in the time it took the First Order to follow them through lightspeed and fire at them while they were on low fuel Finn went to the casino and Rey took forever to convince Luke to train him?

Oh, and I also assume we're supposed to absolutely and totally not believe at all in any kind of way that Rey's parents were nobodies, am I right?

btw, I teared up at the end with the dedication to "Our princess Carrie Fisher"

I'm always amazed when someone is literally point for point with me on all of this.   The Last Jedi is actually REALLY good, and I just don't get the hate for it AT ALL.

I still believe that Rey is just a random orphan girl. Rian Johnson commented about this in an interview, saying something like: "Ren truly believes that she is just a nobody, but that isn't necessarily the whole truth". I'm paraphrasing, but I think that there is still some wiggle room in her origins, for JJ to play with.

Can't wait to get TLJ on blu ray! The making of documentary looks really interesting.

The argument that Luke wouldn't have run away and hid like that because he's a jedi are hilarious, because it's exactly what Yoda and Obi-Wan did in the original films.

The circumstances between Obi-Wan's and Luke's exile are eerily similar. Obi-Wan was directly responsible in the tragedy of Vader. And Luke is directly responsible for making Ren who he is.
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« Reply #554 on: March 18, 2018, 05:18:19 AM »
The thought dawned on me right now, it could be a clever twist: maybe Kylo Ren was technically right in defining her parents as "nobodies", but maybe they were nobodies in the same sense that Yoda was an annoying goblin fooling around on Dagobah when Luke first met him.

Maybe Kylo Ren didn't see anything special about the parents, but they are somehow very important instead. Ok, Rey is one of the many force sensitive people in the universe, but to be so good and be drawn to Luke's saber there has to be something else more, right?
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« Reply #555 on: March 19, 2018, 09:10:30 AM »
Random Thought:

Could we see a Force Ghost Battle between Luke and Snoke in the next movie? I have little doubt that Luke will appear as a Force Ghost....he almost has to show up for Rey in at least a scene ala how Obi Won did for Luke. But, with Yoda showing that Force Ghost's can still manipulate the physical world.....maybe Luke and Snoke have a spiritual brawl?
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« Reply #556 on: March 19, 2018, 10:16:46 AM »
So.... I finally saw The Last Jedi. I liked it!

I've read online, not in detail of course, about controversies on Luke Skywalker. What exactly was wrong with him? the choice to have made him run away from it all was already made in the first movie. The reasons are belieavable - shame for not being able to help his sister's son and for having pondered to kill him. It's only obvious that he's reluctant to help Rey, and in the end he still trains her. Then shows up like a total badass to buy time to the resistance (the dusting off from this shoulder and "Every word you said was wrong" are kickass moments) and dies peacefully at "home". What was so horribly wrong about this?

For the rest of the movie, they still riffed a bit here and there from the original trilogy. Snoke was good but we've already seen a disfigured ruler being a master of manipulation. At least the "kill the master not for good but to take his place" twist was nice.

Another thing they kinda took from Empire Strikes Back is the confusing timeline. The chase of the rebels seemed pretty straightforward to me, in the time it took the First Order to follow them through lightspeed and fire at them while they were on low fuel Finn went to the casino and Rey took forever to convince Luke to train him?

Oh, and I also assume we're supposed to absolutely and totally not believe at all in any kind of way that Rey's parents were nobodies, am I right?

btw, I teared up at the end with the dedication to "Our princess Carrie Fisher"

I'm always amazed when someone is literally point for point with me on all of this.   The Last Jedi is actually REALLY good, and I just don't get the hate for it AT ALL.

Count me in as well.  I think you and I briefly discussed this on Facebook:  this is the problem when people decide ahead of time what a movie should be like or how a character should develop.  Judging a movie based on preconceptions is just silly.
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #557 on: March 19, 2018, 10:52:25 AM »
So.... I finally saw The Last Jedi. I liked it!

I've read online, not in detail of course, about controversies on Luke Skywalker. What exactly was wrong with him? the choice to have made him run away from it all was already made in the first movie. The reasons are belieavable - shame for not being able to help his sister's son and for having pondered to kill him. It's only obvious that he's reluctant to help Rey, and in the end he still trains her. Then shows up like a total badass to buy time to the resistance (the dusting off from this shoulder and "Every word you said was wrong" are kickass moments) and dies peacefully at "home". What was so horribly wrong about this?

For the rest of the movie, they still riffed a bit here and there from the original trilogy. Snoke was good but we've already seen a disfigured ruler being a master of manipulation. At least the "kill the master not for good but to take his place" twist was nice.

Another thing they kinda took from Empire Strikes Back is the confusing timeline. The chase of the rebels seemed pretty straightforward to me, in the time it took the First Order to follow them through lightspeed and fire at them while they were on low fuel Finn went to the casino and Rey took forever to convince Luke to train him?

Oh, and I also assume we're supposed to absolutely and totally not believe at all in any kind of way that Rey's parents were nobodies, am I right?

btw, I teared up at the end with the dedication to "Our princess Carrie Fisher"

I'm always amazed when someone is literally point for point with me on all of this.   The Last Jedi is actually REALLY good, and I just don't get the hate for it AT ALL.

Count me in as well.  I think you and I briefly discussed this on Facebook:  this is the problem when people decide ahead of time what a movie should be like or how a character should develop.  Judging a movie based on preconceptions is just silly.

Yeah. I've posted here when the movie first came out that my first viewing of TLJ I was underwhelmed....and it was largely due to the fact that the movie didn't fit in line with what I THOUGHT it should have. After I worked through that 'disappointment' I went back and watched it again and completely loved the movie. IMO it was really well done (outside of Mary Poppins Leia...hated that scene)
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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #558 on: March 19, 2018, 10:54:12 AM »
Count me in as well.  I think you and I briefly discussed this on Facebook:  this is the problem when people decide ahead of time what a movie should be like or how a character should develop.  Judging a movie based on preconceptions is just silly.

I'm not actually sure that's the problem. I mean, I don't feel like being surprised or movies taking them in directions they don't expect is necessarily something people generally dislike. But some movies do it better than others.

Of three big curve balls in this movie (1. Snoke's death 2. Luke's uninvolvment 3. Rey's parents), I liked two and disliked one. I don't think judging it on preconcieved notions are as big a problem as people who loved the movie want to make it.

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Re: Star Wars Discussion Thread v.The Last Jedi
« Reply #559 on: March 19, 2018, 11:03:18 AM »
Count me in as well.  I think you and I briefly discussed this on Facebook:  this is the problem when people decide ahead of time what a movie should be like or how a character should develop.  Judging a movie based on preconceptions is just silly.

I'm not actually sure that's the problem. I mean, I don't feel like being surprised or movies taking them in directions they don't expect is necessarily something people generally dislike. But some movies do it better than others.

Of three big curve balls in this movie (1. Snoke's death 2. Luke's uninvolvment 3. Rey's parents), I liked two and disliked one. I don't think judging it on preconcieved notions are as big a problem as people who loved the movie want to make it.

You may be right that it's not the problem, but it sure seems like it based on what I've read (which admittedly is only a small handful of articles and social media comments).

Taking the three things you mentioned, why would anyone be disappointed with Snoke dying unless that person had built up in his/her head what would happen with Snoke?  It's not like he was an important character in TFA.  Same with Rey's parents.  Who cares, unless someone built up in his/her head what would happen with that plotline?  Moreover, even one was disappointed about her parents being "nobodies," who says Ren was telling the truth or that he wasn't merely stating a personal opinion?  The only complaint that I see as having any potential legitimacy is a complaint that how Luke behaved in TLJ was inconsistent with his character.  I don't happen to agree with that point of view, but it's at least a legitimate complaint not founded in preconceived notions.
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