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I just signed up for Disney+ for the kids being stuck at home so have the option to check out those series. I just don't have the time, and honestly, a limited amount of interest.
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Rey is way cooler Ahsoka. She’s just kind of meh and not at all developed.

Ahsoka? More like ahsucka.
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Mid-way through season 4 (at the point of a certain person going undercover, having to do with bounty hunters, and a cube), and I'm still waiting for Asoka to become cool.  I mean, she's fine.  But her character still hasn't evolved to anything close to compelling for me. 
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Rey is way cooler Ahsoka. She’s just kind of meh and not at all developed.

Ahsoka? More like ahsucka.

Nice try
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Rey is way cooler Ahsoka. She’s just kind of meh and not at all developed.

Ahsoka? More like ahsucka.

Nice try

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I’m looking forward to seeing her in the Mandalorian. It’ll be my first real exposure to her.
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Mid-way through season 4 (at the point of a certain person going undercover, having to do with bounty hunters, and a cube), and I'm still waiting for Asoka to become cool.  I mean, she's fine.  But her character still hasn't evolved to anything close to compelling for me.

All the seasons/episodes kind of run together for me so it’s tough to recall ‘where’ in the story her character is.

I personally think her character arc is fantastic. Especially in the eyes of having just watched the finale. May not be like that for everyone....but your summation of where your at with her right now with still three seasons to go is where I’m at with Rey with no story left to tell.
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Rey is way cooler Ahsoka. She’s just kind of meh and not at all developed.

Ahsoka? More like ahsucka.

Nice try

 ;D

I’m looking forward to seeing her in the Mandalorian. It’ll be my first real exposure to her.

If you want a cheat sheet just watch the last (4) episodes of S7. It’ll give you a sense of where she ended up. Unless you plan on watching TCW’s then that may ruin it.
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Just re-watched Rise of Skywalker with the wife, she hadn't seen it in theaters. She really liked it, was surprised it received a lot of hate. On my re-watch I liked it more than before it's still very messy and a mix of a million parts but overall I still liked the feel of it. Story is definitely very hokey and convenient and several underdeveloped beats, it's too bad it was 2 movies crammed into one. But I still enjoyed it quite a bit. Don't know where I'd rank it, above the prequels for sure probably #6.
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I think if you put together those last 4 episodes of the clone wars into a movie, it would be better than any of the prequels.

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I would dare say that Clone Wars and Rebels approach Empire Strikes Back as the best stories in all of Star Wars.  I agree with Gary that The Clone Wars really fleshed out Anakin after his weak treatment in the prequels.  I’d also say Count Dooku was also really developed as a villain.  The way he used and then discarded Asajj Ventress was especially well done.  One of my favorite episodes was from Season Six, when Anakin and Obi-Wan track down what happened to Master Sifo-Dyas.  The fight between Anakin and Dooku was the best one of the series. 

Rebels was really good too, and it really got good once Thrawn entered the fray.  They really did a great job on the development of the main characters.  Ezra proved to be an incredibly powerful Jedi, and it was so cool to watch him being challenged by the dark side and never took the bait. 
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I think if you put together those last 4 episodes of the clone wars into a movie, it would be better than any of the prequels.

Without a doubt. I still can’t get over how awesome the Score was in this eason.....and definitely the last four.

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I would dare say that Clone Wars and Rebels approach Empire Strikes Back as the best stories in all of Star Wars.  I agree with Gary that The Clone Wars really fleshed out Anakin after his weak treatment in the prequels.  I’d also say Count Dooku was also really developed as a villain.  The way he used and then discarded Asajj Ventress was especially well done.  One of my favorite episodes was from Season Six, when Anakin and Obi-Wan track down what happened to Master Sifo-Dyas.  The fight between Anakin and Dooku was the best one of the series. 

Rebels was really good too, and it really got good once Thrawn entered the fray.  They really did a great job on the development of the main characters.  Ezra proved to be an incredibly powerful Jedi, and it was so cool to watch him being challenged by the dark side and never took the bait.

Yeah. The characters that were just thrown onscreen for a few flashy moments in the prequels were really given great attention in TCW’s.


Agree about Ezra. His character growth was awesome to watch. There’s a rumor about a Rebels S5 happening soon OR even he and/or Sabine showing up in The Mandalorian. Which, given the way Rebels ended and the rumored Ahsoka appearance ‘could’ make sense?
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Definitely take the time to watch the Mandalorian Gallery special, real cool behind the scenes look.

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Wow, the Ventriss story arc suddenly took a VERY dark turn.
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Wow, the Ventriss story arc suddenly took a VERY dark turn.

Didn't it? The Sith are ruthless
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So it's being reported/rumored now that Hayden Christensen has signed on to be a part of the Obi Wan live action series. If true, that has to speak to some flashback sequences. Could be interesting.

Another rumor that is all over the internet is that Disney has brought Lucas back in to write/give direction on SW's because they're ticked off at how bad a job Kathleen Kennedy has done with it. From what I've gleaned they want Lucas to Retcon the character of Rey moving forward.....that they didn't like Kennedy's vision for that character.
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So it's being reported/rumored now that Hayden Christensen has signed on to be a part of the Obi Wan live action series. If true, that has to speak to some flashback sequences. Could be interesting.

Another rumor that is all over the internet is that Disney has brought Lucas back in to write/give direction on SW's because they're ticked off at how bad a job Kathleen Kennedy has done with it. From what I've gleaned they want Lucas to Retcon the character of Rey moving forward.....that they didn't like Kennedy's vision for that character.

I dunno how I feel about Hayden if he were to return. I actually like Hayden as an actor (just not in the prequels) but he's also...18 years older or something since the last time we saw him? Not sure how smooth it'll be to a flashback to a guy who is 18 years older than he was before, you know? But maybe they can make it work. They certainly did a great job thus far with the shows.
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So it's being reported/rumored now that Hayden Christensen has signed on to be a part of the Obi Wan live action series. If true, that has to speak to some flashback sequences. Could be interesting.

Another rumor that is all over the internet is that Disney has brought Lucas back in to write/give direction on SW's because they're ticked off at how bad a job Kathleen Kennedy has done with it. From what I've gleaned they want Lucas to Retcon the character of Rey moving forward.....that they didn't like Kennedy's vision for that character.

I dunno how I feel about Hayden if he were to return. I actually like Hayden as an actor (just not in the prequels) but he's also...18 years older or something since the last time we saw him? Not sure how smooth it'll be to a flashback to a guy who is 18 years older than he was before, you know? But maybe they can make it work. They certainly did a great job thus far with the shows.

I thought the same. He'd definitely 'look' different but then again....if it's done well and it's a story that is actually good.....I could overlook it. I would think it'd be limited scenes if they were flashback?
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True. Maybe a dream sequence as a manifestation of Obi Wan's guilt? Or a vision of sorts?
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It seems like the animated series throw out the Sith rule of 2. Duuku has Ventriss as an apprentice even though he is an apprentice himself. In Rebels there are the Inquisitors, which are basically apprentices of Vader, again himself an apprentice. I know it's nice to have more villains, but it kind of flies in the face of what we've been told about the rule of 2.

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It seems like the animated series throw out the Sith rule of 2. Duuku has Ventriss as an apprentice even though he is an apprentice himself. In Rebels there are the Inquisitors, which are basically apprentices of Vader, again himself an apprentice. I know it's nice to have more villains, but it kind of flies in the face of what we've been told about the rule of 2.

I think Dooku was doing that behind the Emperors back though. I think the Emperor knew he had a force sensitive assassin....but didn’t count her as an apprentice.

Same with the Inquisitors I thought.
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It seems like the animated series throw out the Sith rule of 2. Duuku has Ventriss as an apprentice even though he is an apprentice himself. In Rebels there are the Inquisitors, which are basically apprentices of Vader, again himself an apprentice. I know it's nice to have more villains, but it kind of flies in the face of what we've been told about the rule of 2.

I think Dooku was doing that behind the Emperors back though. I think the Emperor knew he had a force sensitive assassin....but didn’t count her as an apprentice.

Same with the Inquisitors I thought.
That could be. I guess it is normal for the apprentice to overthrow the master, so it makes sense that they would have their own apprentice lined up.

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The Inquisitors were barely even apprentices. They were all former Jedi who were spared and turned to the dark side, just so they could help Vader hunt down the remaining Jedi who survived the purge in Revenge of the Sith. Vader can't be everywhere at once.

They were taught just enough in the ways of the dark side that they could be effective in their mission, but easy for Vader and The Emperor to mop up when all the Jedi have been exterminated. That's why Kanan and Ezra are able to stand up to them with barely any training, and why Ahsoka wipes the floor with them in that one Rebels episode. They were just tools for Vader and The Emperor.

Oh, and TCW finale was epic! I was very intrigued by the music. That music at the end of the final episode, sounded almost like the "Blade Runner" score by Vangelis. Huge props to the composer: Kevin Kinner.

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I have 44 minutes left of Rise of Skywalker and I've enjoyed it so far. I tried watching Last Jedi but skipped a good hour of it. It's just not very good. Even without all the negativity surrounding it, I'd probably still be bored to tears. Ive watched plenty of negative reviews on Rise, and I'm still enjoying it for what it is.

My biggest gripe would be the comedy. Yeah, it's entertaining, but much like Age of Ultron, the characters never feel like they're in danger. Stop quipping! Stormtroopers have guns aimed at your head! I know how it ends, but I'm going to finish it, and then probably never watch it again.

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To be fair, Stormtroopers with guns aimed at your head doesn't actually mean you're in any danger.
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Fair enough.

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The Inquisitors were barely even apprentices. They were all former Jedi who were spared and turned to the dark side, just so they could help Vader hunt down the remaining Jedi who survived the purge in Revenge of the Sith. Vader can't be everywhere at once.

They were taught just enough in the ways of the dark side that they could be effective in their mission, but easy for Vader and The Emperor to mop up when all the Jedi have been exterminated. That's why Kanan and Ezra are able to stand up to them with barely any training, and why Ahsoka wipes the floor with them in that one Rebels episode. They were just tools for Vader and The Emperor.

Oh, and TCW finale was epic! I was very intrigued by the music. That music at the end of the final episode, sounded almost like the "Blade Runner" score by Vangelis. Huge props to the composer: Kevin Kinner.

Makes sense. And I agree 100% about the music. Especially the last four episodes.....and really in the last two.
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Starting TROS with the kiddos.....this will be their 2nd watch.....my 5th.
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Starting TROS with the kiddos.....this will be their 2nd watch.....my 5th.

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Starting TROS with the kiddos.....this will be their 2nd watch.....my 5th.

Yep. I still dig it. Could definitely be nit picked (as we know from this thread) but it’s a fun movie. Would have still loved to see Anakin reanimate out of some swirling dust or something at the end to take on Palpatine and kill him when Rey was petitioning the Jedi to ‘be with her’   
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Starting TROS with the kiddos.....this will be their 2nd watch.....my 5th.

Yep. I still dig it. Could definitely be nit picked (as we know from this thread) but it’s a fun movie.

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I've only seen TROS once, so maybe I missed if there was an explanation for this, but one nitpick I have: Near the end of the film when the crew are riding their animals into battle on top of the ships...why don't they just take the ship up? :lol It's a spaceship, it can go into space, but they just hover in place and send their own troops out onto the hull to fight the rebels and waste time until the control tower is blown up. They wouldn't even need to get to orbit, with enough elevation the air will become too thin and the rebels would all suffocate; that's if any of them were even able to remain on the hull during acceleration.

The villain forces in Star Wars are usually complete dolts anyway so I guess it fits, but this one really sticks out for me.

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I've only seen TROS once, so maybe I missed if there was an explanation for this, but one nitpick I have: Near the end of the film when the crew are riding their animals into battle on top of the ships...why don't they just take the ship up? :lol It's a spaceship, it can go into space, but they just hover in place and send their own troops out onto the hull to fight the rebels and waste time until the control tower is blown up. They wouldn't even need to get to orbit, with enough elevation the air will become too thin and the rebels would all suffocate; that's if any of them were even able to remain on the hull during acceleration.

The villain forces in Star Wars are usually complete dolts anyway so I guess it fits, but this one really sticks out for me.

Probably because there were about 150 gazillion other star destroyers in the way.

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Probably because there were about 150 gazillion other star destroyers in the way.
They were all at the same altitude though weren't they? Seems reasonable that if they can hover like that, they can go up even if at a low speed without having to go forward. Even if they could only go forward, why couldn't it angle 45 degrees before accelerating?

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Probably because there were about 150 gazillion other star destroyers in the way.
They were all at the same altitude though weren't they? Seems reasonable that if they can hover like that, they can go up even if at a low speed without having to go forward. Even if they could only go forward, why couldn't it angle 45 degrees before accelerating?

Maybe they were. I think they went overboard with control+v. 10 star destroyers would have been plenty. If the villians were smart, there wouldn't be a movie. With all their fire power, those horses would have been toast anyway. Although, after the charge, we didn't see them at any point afterward. They just disappeared. I think the more we question the movie, the dumber it gets.