Star Wars Discussion Thread v. Rise of Skywalker / Mandalorian (merged)

[MirrorMask]

I wonder who's gonna be the titular Skywaler: Anakin who died in Episode 6, Luke who died in Episode 8, or Leila whose actress passed away.

 

The title and the Palpatine laugh make it seem like they can't stand on their own legs and they need to rely on the classic characters of the past.... of course it's too early to judge and maybe the movie will be nothing like that!

[Grappler]

Didn’t TFA trailer have Vader’s breathing? Did people think he was gonna be in it?

Also trailer was decent. Not bad at all. Standard. Serviceable. Good, considering it’s still 8 months away.

That was at the end of the Rogue One trailer:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdj1zb9sMY

[Adami]

Could have sworn it was in TFA trailer too. When they showed his burnt helmet.

[Zantera]

I wonder who's gonna be the titular Skywaler: Anakin who died in Episode 6, Luke who died in Episode 8, or Leila whose actress passed away.

 

Kylo? 

[kaos2900]

I wonder who's gonna be the titular Skywaler: Anakin who died in Episode 6, Luke who died in Episode 8, or Leila whose actress passed away.

 

The title and the Palpatine laugh make it seem like they can't stand on their own legs and they need to rely on the classic characters of the past.... of course it's too early to judge and maybe the movie will be nothing like that!

I think it's clear now that episodes 7-9 aren't 100% about being original. There are 2 trilogies in development that I'm assuming will do that. This the closing chapter of the Skywlaker Saga. Why wouldn't they include the primary bad guy of the series and the name of the main characters?

[lordxizor]

So apparently Skywalker is a title as well as a name. This was confirmed in either one of the animated series or the comics or something. I can't find the article I read a while back that was speculating that Rey could become a Skywalker in another sense than as the offspring of Luke.

Trailer was awesome. Can't wait!

[Zantera]

I wonder who's gonna be the titular Skywaler: Anakin who died in Episode 6, Luke who died in Episode 8, or Leila whose actress passed away.

 

The title and the Palpatine laugh make it seem like they can't stand on their own legs and they need to rely on the classic characters of the past.... of course it's too early to judge and maybe the movie will be nothing like that!

I think it's clear now that episodes 7-9 aren't 100% about being original. There are 2 trilogies in development that I'm assuming will do that. This the closing chapter of the Skywlaker Saga. Why wouldn't they include the primary bad guy of the series and the name of the main characters?

To be fair wasn't the Skywalker saga closed before Disney entered the picture?

Honestly I do think there's some validity to the whole "Disney leaning on nostalgia" argument. I really liked TFA a lot but it was basically ANH retold, I did not like Rogue One at all, and TLJ and Solo were big disappointments for me, but I do think the general theme through all of these films have been nostalgia, "things we like" etc.

Maybe we will get something really unique in the future but it does feel like the Star Wars universe is more limited than ever. It feels like most fans are only interested if the movie has things we already know and like.

[pg1067]

BTW in the SWC somebody in the crowd shouted “If the emperor can come back then *anyone* can come back”

 

Well...that's pretty much the same thing as "no one's ever really gone."

So apparently Skywalker is a title as well as a name. This was confirmed in either one of the animated series or the comics or something. I can't find the article I read a while back that was speculating that Rey could become a Skywalker in another sense than as the offspring of Luke.

Writing the movie to include plot points don't make sense without knowledge of stuff other than the movies (as they did with Darth Maul in Solo) is the one thing they could do that would really annoy me.  Star Wars movies should not be written solely for the hardcore fans who consume that ancillary stuff.  That Disney says it's "canon" is beside the point as far as I'm concerned.

[masterthes]

Wild theory time. I don't think the Emperor will be physically alive. We'll see him as a ghost, and we'll see him and Luke face off in the first ever force ghost lightsaber battle

[lordxizor]

So apparently Skywalker is a title as well as a name. This was confirmed in either one of the animated series or the comics or something. I can't find the article I read a while back that was speculating that Rey could become a Skywalker in another sense than as the offspring of Luke.

Writing the movie to include plot points don't make sense without knowledge of stuff other than the movies (as they did with Darth Maul in Solo) is the one thing they could do that would really annoy me.  Star Wars movies should not be written solely for the hardcore fans who consume that ancillary stuff.  That Disney says it's "canon" is beside the point as far as I'm concerned.

I agree that the movies should stand alone and not rely on knowledge of other Star Wars lore. I would imagine they would explain the whole Skywalker thing in detail in the movie if they were going to use it. Here's what I read about it a while back:

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-9-theory-rey-skywalker/

[PetFish]

My theory is that Rey's dad is either Vader or Luke.

*spoilers*

1)  Anakin was told about midi-chlorian manipulation to create life and we know that Palpatine created Anakin:

https://dorksideoftheforce.com/2018/12/20/star-wars-comic-anakin-father/

So, before Vader dies in VI, at some point he does the same ritual and it turns out to be Rey.  The major hole in this theory is that would mean Rey is closer to 30 years old when we meet her and she certainly doesn't look like it.

2)  Luke, having all the old texts on the island and presumably reading them, could have also discovered the ritual and tried it himself, after his failure with Ben and could foresee disaster, and ended up creating Rey which means Luke is Rey's Dad.


If Palpatine is really still alive there's stuff in the Rebels show, right at the end of the series, that can explain how it would be possible with The World Between Worlds stuff allowing time and space manipulation that Palpatine could have used to survive.

TL;DR - Either Vader or Luke manipulated midi-chlorians to create Rey.

PS - Can we change the title of this thread?

[Polarbear]

Ill throw my hat into the speculation ring!

In the new SW canon there has been introduced this idea, that past Sith Lords can retain some form of existence in the place of their death. This was supposedly introduced in some comic..

Anyway, I think this is the key of how they bring Uncle Palps back to life. What if the wreckage of DS2 on Endor is essentially he's tomb. He is trapped there in non corporeal form, and he's ultimate goal is to find a way out to live again.

PS - Can we change the title of this thread?

Dew it!

[lordxizor]

My theories:

Rey will not be physically related to Luke. Rey, along with the force ghosts of Luke, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and maybe even Qui-Gon and Anakin will finally bring balance to the force by defeating Kylo Ren. Rey will then embody balance in herself alone since she will not be pure light side, but a mixture of the light and dark. Rather than calling this new balanced force user a Jedi, she will Christen them Skywalkers.

As for Palpatine, he will not be physically reborn, but will have his spirit tied to an object in the Death Star. He will somehow use his spirit to control a person and wreak havoc on the Galaxy.

I would not be surprised if the world between worlds comes in to play somehow. In fact I think it's pretty likely it will.

I also would not be at all surprised if Rey and Kylo join forces to defeate Palpatine with Kylo dying the process for somewhat of a redemption.

[T-ski]

I don't believe for one second JJ Abrams will give us a clear and understandable ending.

[lordxizor]

I don't believe for one second JJ Abrams will give us a clear and understandable ending.

Thats my worry too. If this is truely supposed to be the end, I hope the Star Wars brass insists that it ends with a clear ending.

[YtseJam]

The Emperor is not coming back. Total overreaction. Look how in TFA they played all of the sounds and voices from the past, Kenobi even prequel Kenobi, Vader, droids, sound effects, light sabers, visions yada yada yada. In what sense would the Emperor reappear especially after the last two movies? He'll be a voice from the past the end.

[jonny108]

The Emperor is not coming back. Total overreaction. Look how in TFA they played all of the sounds and voices from the past, Kenobi even prequel Kenobi, Vader, droids, sound effects, light sabers, visions yada yada yada. In what sense would the Emperor reappear especially after the last two movies? He'll be a voice from the past the end.

JJ and KK have both confirmed they are bringing Palpatine back and consulted with George Lucas about it. So he's definitely coming back, but how remains to be seen.   

[MirrorMask]

I assume that the effort it will take to bring realistically back a character who was thrown down a bottomless shaft of a space station that later exploded will far exceed the effort that would have been needed to write a new story with new characters and a good villain that wouldn't make us miss Palpatine. 

Uh well, we'll see soon enough, no point in judging a movie just by the title or a laugh heard over a black screen.

[Phoenix87x]

I've lost interest in SW so much at this point that I don't care who they bring back. Palpatine's walking around in the flesh again? Be my guest. At least he's a character that i love watching.

[Dream Team]

The Emperor is not coming back. Total overreaction. Look how in TFA they played all of the sounds and voices from the past, Kenobi even prequel Kenobi, Vader, droids, sound effects, light sabers, visions yada yada yada. In what sense would the Emperor reappear especially after the last two movies? He'll be a voice from the past the end.

JJ and KK have both confirmed they are bringing Palpatine back and consulted with George Lucas about it. So he's definitely coming back, but how remains to be seen.   

  I hate JJ Abrams so much. Imagine 25 years ago someone telling you the same douchebag asshole was going to ruin both Star Trek AND Star Wars.

[Logain Ablar]

I've lost interest in SW so much at this point that I don't care who they bring back. Palpatine's walking around in the flesh again? Be my guest. At least he's a character that i love watching.

I’m almost at that point too. The trailer was ok, but just seems like more of the same. I don’t know why we need to see Lando again, other than for the sake of nostalgia.

I’d normally be following the SW news sites every day looking for tidbits of info, but for this one I’ll try to go in knowing as little about it as I can, and with expectations set to rock bottom.

[jingle.boy]

I've lost interest in SW so much at this point that I don't care who they bring back. Palpatine's walking around in the flesh again? Be my guest. At least he's a character that i love watching.

I’m almost at that point too. The trailer was ok, but just seems like more of the same. I don’t know why we need to see Lando again, other than for the sake of nostalgia.

Ditto.  I've lost virtually all excitement about this franchise given the course of the last two films.

[gmillerdrake]

I've lost interest in SW so much at this point that I don't care who they bring back. Palpatine's walking around in the flesh again? Be my guest. At least he's a character that i love watching.

I’m almost at that point too. The trailer was ok, but just seems like more of the same. I don’t know why we need to see Lando again, other than for the sake of nostalgia.

Ditto.  I've lost virtually all excitement about this franchise given the course of the last two films.

Really? Man...I must be a sucker then cuz I’ve really liked the output of films we’ve gotten from Disney. Solo being the ‘weakest’ in my eyes but still good.....

[hefdaddy42]

The Last Jedi is the second best SW film (after Empire, of course).

[gmillerdrake]

The Last Jedi is the second best SW film (after Empire, of course).

Each time I watch TLJ I love it more and more. IMO the best all encompassing 'film' of the series.....when considering all aspects of a film.

[bosk1]

The Last Jedi is the second best SW film (after Empire, of course).

Each time I watch TLJ I love it more and more. IMO the best all encompassing 'film' of the series.....when considering all aspects of a film.

I still have a love/hate relationship with it.  I hate the casino planet excursion.  But I love everything else about it.

[jingle.boy]

The Last Jedi is the second best SW film (after Empire, of course).

That's because it's a fucking replica of ESB, but with way more plot holes.

[bosk1]

The Last Jedi is the second best SW film (after Empire, of course).

That's because it's a fucking replica of ESB, but with way more plot holes.

Translation:  "I don't like it because [insert Internet buzzwords] so nobody else can either."   

[gmillerdrake]

The Last Jedi is the second best SW film (after Empire, of course).

Each time I watch TLJ I love it more and more. IMO the best all encompassing 'film' of the series.....when considering all aspects of a film.

I still have a love/hate relationship with it.  I hate the casino planet excursion.  But I love everything else about it.

I can deal with and look past the casino excursion....but the Leia force space walk is what I roll my eyes at and wish was missing from the movie. That was rough...

[jingle.boy]

The Last Jedi is the second best SW film (after Empire, of course).

That's because it's a fucking replica of ESB, but with way more plot holes.

Translation:  "I don't like it because [insert Internet buzzwords] so nobody else can either."

Translation:  "I like it, therefore anyone who doesn't must've been swayed by the internet, not their own ability to have an opinion"

[hefdaddy42]

The Last Jedi is the second best SW film (after Empire, of course).

Each time I watch TLJ I love it more and more. IMO the best all encompassing 'film' of the series.....when considering all aspects of a film.

I still have a love/hate relationship with it.  I hate the casino planet excursion.  But I love everything else about it.

I agree, the casino planet is definitely the worst part.

[pg1067]

I hate JJ Abrams so much. Imagine 25 years ago someone telling you the same douchebag asshole was going to ruin both Star Trek AND Star Wars.

If making a movie that is no worse than the third best SW movie and two of the top five SW movies constitutes "ruining" SW, then sign me up for more ruin!

The Last Jedi is the second best SW film (after Empire, of course).

I put it either second or third (behind Empire and maybe the original).  Solo isn't far behind.

[TheOutlawXanadu]

I plan to rewatch VII and VIII before IX comes out. Upon release, I thought VII was an A and VIII was like a B-. That said, I also thought that VIII blew a huge opportunity and squandered a lot of potential, so my feelings towards it are probably more negative than it deserves, if that makes any sense at all.

[kaos2900]

So Kathleen Kennedy confirmed that the plan to bring the Emperor back came up before TFA started filming. They even contacted Ian Mcdiarmid so he's been on board for years. I still think that they're going to go the clone route and Snoke was clone and Rey is a clone of Anakin.

[Phoenix87x]

So Kathleen Kennedy confirmed that the plan to bring the Emperor back came up before TFA started filming. They even contacted Ian Mcdiarmid so he's been on board for years. I still think that they're going to go the clone route and Snoke was clone and Rey is a clone of Anakin.

I could live with that.

and It would make me look at this cave scene as: There's multiple reys, because she is a clone and one of many potential reys. And the cave is revealing to her that she's a copy. Or something like that.